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Funko
10-12-2009, 09:40:37
Obviously one of the Terminators will be a hot favourite. Lots of other contenders, the Cybermen, the Daleks, (Not Stone Cold) Steve Austin/6 Million Dollar man, Roy Batty, Darth Vader, Robocop, the Borg, the Skin Jobs from new Battlestar...

er... and probably some more.

Funko
10-12-2009, 09:40:57
You can choose what best means for yourself.

Funko
10-12-2009, 09:41:57
Oh I forgot Dr Kevin Warwick from Reading University.

mr_B
10-12-2009, 09:51:11
my coffee machine

Funko
10-12-2009, 09:51:58
What part of it is animal?

Nills Lagerbaak
10-12-2009, 09:54:41
Oh I forgot Dr Kevin Warwick from Reading University.


my favourite.


Closely followed by Mandroid

mr_B
10-12-2009, 10:07:59
it has the brains of a barista

Funko
10-12-2009, 10:31:05
koel

King_Ghidra
10-12-2009, 10:54:18
The terminators aren't cyborgs are they? They're just robots.

King_Ghidra
10-12-2009, 10:58:01
Briareos from Appleseed is quite kewl.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briareos_Hecatonchires

Cyborg from the Teen Titans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg_(comics)

Greg W
10-12-2009, 12:25:42
The terminators aren't cyborgs are they? They're just robots.Well, the original (Arnie from T1) was living tissue over metal exoskeleton. Does that give him enough "animal" to qualify?

Obviously T2-3 movies with the liquid metal don't count...

MDA
10-12-2009, 12:32:32
Does Darth Vader qualify? Luke?

Edit: well, Darth was on the list, how much hardware does it take (or skin... ware) to make a cyborg?

The Daleks absolutely terrified me. OTOH, I had a six million dollar man "action figure" that was pretty damned cool at the time.

Greg W
10-12-2009, 12:46:20
Ooh, add John-Claude Van Damme and Dolph Lundgren from Universal Soldier!

Never watched much of the old Doctor series, but did the Daleks have any living tissue as part of their make-up? I always kind of thought form the very brief views I had of them that they were just robots. Presumably not, seeing as you have mentioned them, was just curious though...

Funko
10-12-2009, 12:52:29
JCVD also did one called Cyborg didn't he?

Daleks have little aliens inside their robot shells, yes.

Scabrous Birdseed
10-12-2009, 13:10:30
JCVD also did one called Cyborg didn't he?

Which (to connect things up futher) was apparently based on a script originally intended to be a sequel to the Masters of the Universe movie.

Greg W
10-12-2009, 13:52:00
JCVD also did one called Cyborg didn't he?

Daleks have little aliens inside their robot shells, yes.Kinds like the little alien inside the human (robot) body in Men in Black?

http://www.drunkendata.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/men-in-black-alien.jpg

King_Ghidra
10-12-2009, 13:56:34
that guy is a pilot, the daleks are more bonded to the machine

Funko
10-12-2009, 14:01:17
Yeah, and I missed the terminator question, I think Greg's right with the living tissue over the exoskeleton qualifies.

mr_B
10-12-2009, 14:04:56
best cyborg evah can be found on
www.cyborgtube.com
NSFW tho

Greg W
10-12-2009, 14:09:51
that guy is a pilot, the daleks are more bonded to the machineThat's why I was asking, cos what Funko said almost implied something different, so I wanted to clarify.

King_Ghidra
10-12-2009, 14:59:43
Yeah, and I missed the terminator question, I think Greg's right with the living tissue over the exoskeleton qualifies.

But it has the mind of a machine. I would have thought a cyborg was something that started as a human/living thing and was modified with machinery.

If i graft a human arm onto a robot, is that a cyborg or just a fucking horrible robot?

Funko
10-12-2009, 15:02:38
Just has to be a combination of organic and machine.

A cyborg is a cybernetic organism (i.e., an organism that has both artificial and natural systems).

King_Ghidra
10-12-2009, 15:08:49
so a robot holding an orange is a cyborg

Greg W
10-12-2009, 15:19:37
Well, no, the orange isn't integrated into the robot.

Nills Lagerbaak
10-12-2009, 15:40:46
Never mind who/what the best Cyborg is. Should we be starting with a "what is a Cyborg" thread?

Lurker
10-12-2009, 15:44:48
I'm going to invent a cybernetic cyborg, and it will definitely be the best cyborg ever.

Funko
10-12-2009, 15:50:49
so a robot holding an orange is a cyborg

In that case the Orange isn't a system.

Let's start the "What is a system" thread.

Drekkus
10-12-2009, 16:05:33
The internets have forsaken me. There's not one picture to be found of of a Carlsborg beer. :(

Can anyone make one?

Funko
10-12-2009, 16:06:13
Systems in humans:

Circulatory, Digestive, Endocrine, Immune, Lymphatic, Muscular, Nervous, Reproductive, Respiratory, Skeletal, Urinary

For a humanoid cyborg some or parts of some of these would be artificial, some natural. The T-800 apparently has living skin which would require some kind of circulatory system.

Ah, in fact:

"it has to eat and breathe to keep the skin alive, though a lot less than us... and there's a little tiny heart and internal organs about the size of a chicken's in a recessed compartment."[5] At least some Terminator models can consume sustenance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_(character_concept)

King_Ghidra
10-12-2009, 16:08:25
thank you system and orange experts, i was being facetious

Funko
10-12-2009, 16:11:27
Yeah, I was satisfying my own curiosity. The "is the Terminator, really a cyborg" wasn't actually obvious as I first thought.

Nills Lagerbaak
10-12-2009, 16:12:35
An orange—specifically, the sweet orange—is the citrus Citrus ​sinensis (syn. Citrus aurantium L. var. dulcis L., or Citrus aurantium Risso) and its fruit. The orange is a hybrid of ancient cultivated origin, possibly between pomelo (Citrus maxima) and tangerine (Citrus reticulata). It is a small flowering tree growing to about 10 m tall with evergreen leaves, which are arranged alternately, of ovate shape with crenulate margins and 4–10 cm long. The orange fruit is a hesperidium, a type of berry.


Now don't start me off on hybrids!

Funko
10-12-2009, 16:17:23
You have the central nervous system of an Orange.

Funko
10-12-2009, 16:17:45
Lot of them in Northern Ireland.

King_Ghidra
10-12-2009, 16:20:46
You have the central nervous system of an Orange.

so that's why everyone says he's a jaffa

Scabrous Birdseed
10-12-2009, 17:33:39
Is a plant/robot hybrid a cyborg, or does it only count with animals?

MDA
10-12-2009, 17:47:06
...and do they require Seyborg units to feed them human blood?

I Am Not Jon Miller
11-12-2009, 01:40:00
Recon 2022

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3299/2cyborgs.jpg

Funko
11-12-2009, 08:41:40
Is a plant/robot hybrid a cyborg, or does it only count with animals?

Yes, it's still an organic/machine hybrid.

So we could have factories powered by photosynthesizing half tree half industrial robots?

King_Ghidra
11-12-2009, 09:10:15
Youlre on the verge of writing some good sci fi there

Funko
11-12-2009, 09:36:57
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Funko
11-12-2009, 09:57:39
Ok so, plants photo synthesize with a photosynthetic efficiency of 3-6%, Actual plants' photosynthetic efficiency... can vary from 0.1% to 8%. Solar panels have a photosynthetic efficiency of approximately 6-20% for mass-produced panels, and up to 41% in a research laboratory. I thought it would be worse than that.

So, if we used the right plant, they aren't actually that much less efficient than shit solar panels, but that is assuming all the chemical energy can be converted into mechanical.

But they also fix carbon as they grow themselves, unlike solar panels.

Wait... it's a power plant. :lol: :nervous:

Funko
11-12-2009, 10:05:40
Someone fax that to Copenhagen I think I just saved the world.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-12-2009, 10:33:35
Although if you convert all the chemical energy into mechanical they won't grow and hence no Carbon fixing.

Don;t cancel Copenhagen just yet...

Funko
11-12-2009, 10:35:47
You grow them before you press them into service as power plants.

King_Ghidra
11-12-2009, 10:37:44
Also there's the size factor missing. How many plants in what size would be equivalent to a 1m2 solar panel, and also wouldn't the plants need to be watered too?

Nills Lagerbaak
11-12-2009, 10:43:11
You grow them before you press them into service as power plants.

Sadly the photosynthesising rate drops markedly once grown :(

KG - you can work that out from the efficiency figures Funko quoted.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-12-2009, 10:43:52
although I only just got the PowerPlant pun. Kudos to that,

Funko
11-12-2009, 10:49:11
Only because it needs to drop when grown, we'll engineer ours so they don't know they are done growing.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-12-2009, 10:52:08
Ah, now we're talking.

Funko
11-12-2009, 11:12:54
Also there's the size factor missing. How many plants in what size would be equivalent to a 1m2 solar panel, and also wouldn't the plants need to be watered too?

Well that's covered by the efficiency, so for any given size a plant is converting up to 8% of sun's energy to chemical energy and a solar panel 6-20%. The larger the surface area of either, the more actually energy will hit them and the more will be converted.

If the plant is 8% and the solar panel 20%, you'd need 2.5 times as much sun collecting surface area of plant as you would solar panel for the same energy.

King_Ghidra
11-12-2009, 11:38:06
Yeah but i mean that will take up a lot more physical space. A plant is not a nice flat object like a solar panel.
Its photosynthesising areas aren't the whole surface area of the plant either and they can't run at optimal efficiency because they don't all consistently face the sun. So they're very inefficient compared to panels.

Funko
11-12-2009, 11:42:21
Well that efficiency is for the plant as a whole, but you are right that the volume for the plant is much higher, it'd certainly be taller and much heavier.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-12-2009, 12:16:17
Unless they are waterlillies which are flat. I wonder what their photosynthesising efficiencies are particularly if angled at 30 Degrees.

Greg W
11-12-2009, 12:18:59
they can't run at optimal efficiency because they don't all consistently face the sun. So they're very inefficient compared to panels.Some flowers follow the sun. I'm not a botanist enough to know if any other forms of plants do though...

Nills Lagerbaak
11-12-2009, 12:20:58
Solar panels only follow the sun if you fit expensive tracking systems.

MDA
11-12-2009, 12:43:13
This could revolutionize the animatronic entertainment industry. Imagine cybernetic Veggie Tales reenactments of great moments in the Bible. That alone could start a revolution.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-12-2009, 13:00:58
Well, we'll need some characters:

the Da-leeks
Robocob/Robohop


And some others.....

Funko
11-12-2009, 13:04:27
The Cidermen?

Venom
11-12-2009, 13:28:23
Are we still talking about Cyborgs?

Funko
11-12-2009, 13:29:21
I think we're heading the conversation around to plant/machine lapdancers.

Greg W
11-12-2009, 13:44:58
Well, as long as there's some aloe vera involved...

Scabrous Birdseed
11-12-2009, 14:06:11
What about photosynthetic algae?

Drekkus
11-12-2009, 14:31:38
...

Wait... it's a power plant. :lol: :nervous::lol:

The rest of the thread hurts my head.

Funko
11-12-2009, 15:32:27
WARNING WIGS&S

Can't believe some of the stuff they can do with prosthetics these days

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/dec/11/us-military-marrocco-walter-reed

Provost Harrison
11-12-2009, 15:41:15
Some flowers follow the sun. I'm not a botanist enough to know if any other forms of plants do though...

QFT. Plants have phototropic abilities that allow them to more efficiently harvest sunlight.

King_Ghidra
11-12-2009, 15:43:16
Can we have a 'will induce great sobriety and seriousness' warning along with our nsfw too

Provost Harrison
11-12-2009, 15:45:33
NSFF - Not Safe For Fuckwits :D

King_Ghidra
11-12-2009, 15:48:35
i was referring to funko's post really.

btw, here is a cyborg that some friends of mine had an encounter with once:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stelarc

Funko
11-12-2009, 15:52:35
Can we have a 'will induce great sobriety and seriousness' warning along with our nsfw too

Added

King_Ghidra
11-12-2009, 15:54:09
nice, but perhaps you can explain the decision making process behind why you turned my and into an ampersand

Drekkus
11-12-2009, 16:12:50
what???

Funko
11-12-2009, 16:17:17
nice, but perhaps you can explain the decision making process behind why you turned my and into an ampersand

I didn't think and deserved an A, an a would look lame so I went with an &.

Provost Harrison
11-12-2009, 16:49:30
btw, here is a cyborg that some friends of mine had an encounter with once:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stelarc

Until 2007 he held the position of Principal Research Fellow in the Performance Arts Digital Research Unit

Good to know that our tax money going into academia is not being spent on utterly pointless things :lol:

The Mad Monk
12-12-2009, 06:48:20
Motoko Kusanagi from Ghost In The Shell. :b:

Koshko
12-12-2009, 18:39:24
I dozed off in the middle of this thread.

mr_B
13-12-2009, 15:53:32
http://9.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/b/f/collegehumor.286fabcb9e8a0026e117394f5c2a99ff.jpg

Sir Penguin
14-12-2009, 04:02:08
Researchers have been making solar panels more efficient for decades. I bet no one's tried making plants more efficient yet.

SP

Greg W
14-12-2009, 06:15:14
What about hybrid crops? Or genetically altered crops? :hmm:

Drekkus
14-12-2009, 13:13:30
http://9.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/b/f/collegehumor.286fabcb9e8a0026e117394f5c2a99ff.jpg

that deserves a quote

Funko
15-12-2009, 09:22:00
:lol: Venom's dream woman?