View Full Version : The #1s on the British Charts this year are better than ever before in history

Scabrous Birdseed
18-11-2009, 20:14:59
Blog Post (by me) (http://downwithtunes.blogspot.com/2009/11/2009-is-best-year-in-charts-ever.html)


18-11-2009, 21:49:19
Agree about some of it, don't agree about the Black Eyed Peas.

I also liked your backwards Rihana twitter.

19-11-2009, 02:12:56
Didn't you used to theoretically have good taste in music?

Scabrous Birdseed
19-11-2009, 13:24:36
Nope, you just used to assume that, because it was different from yours. :p

I'd love to hear Rob's comments on this, if he still posts. He posted on Facebook the other day how he hates all commercial music right now. :D

Lazarus and the Gimp
19-11-2009, 20:21:50
The only one of those number 1's I've heard and actually like was the Lily Allen one. Average year, really.

19-11-2009, 20:34:08
Never even heard The Fear on radio here.

Greg W
20-11-2009, 00:27:49
I'd like to see how many of them survive the test of time and are still played in 20 years time. I'd also like to see stats on the number of songs released this year as opposed to back in the 60s/70s/etc. My guess would be that there's a lot more music released today onto the market and that a far smaller percentage of it is good. Sure, there may be more good songs (debatable), but throw in enough coal and you're sure to find the odd diamond.

I could be wrong, guess I have just seen too many crap songs that get a lot of coverage just because of who releases them. "Single Ladies" ("if you liked it then you should have put a ring on it" or whatever it's called) is a great example.

Scabrous Birdseed
20-11-2009, 14:35:30
Sorry greg, I'm a let you finnish, but Beyoncé's video was one of the best of ALL TIME!

Other than that, for me at least the notion of the classic that stands the test of time has been fairly punctured. I'm not sure of the rest of you disagree, but I tend to pick music from all ages on a fairly similar basis and shun most "classics" as cliché - in that sense I'd be happy if no-one listened to "When Love Takes Over" or "I've Gotta Feeling" in 20 years time! And sure, there's a huge production of records these days, but are there many more aimed at the charts? I'm not sure, I'd need figures.

Lazarus and the Gimp
20-11-2009, 17:18:24
Other than that, for me at least the notion of the classic that stands the test of time has been fairly punctured.

"Classic" has a number of definitions, but none of them equate to "disposable" or "ephemeral". You can't just arbitrarily do a 180 degree turn on the definition of a word in order to suit your own pop agenda.

Scabrous Birdseed
20-11-2009, 17:41:16
Did I use the word classic in the blog post? In that case I apologise. I meant that the idea of there being certain works of arts that are special above the mass of others and above the big web of cross-influences, for any reason other than being simply good, is supect. So basically no more classics - Dizzee's throwaway "Holiday" unproblematically as good as, I dunno, "Satisfaction" or whatever, if plucked out of the context of the canon.

Of course, I realise the problems with this approach - "Satisfaction" is going to be lodged in culture without any of us being able to influence it, and form part of any background. Plus of course there's the whole issue of changing styles and things growing tired (to you), which all this inevitably will soon. But right now, I feel I'm totally in the pop cultural hole in a way I've never been before...

Lazarus and the Gimp
20-11-2009, 17:58:12
Whatever. Classics will still emerge through broad consensus.

20-11-2009, 20:29:17
The term 'Classic' lost any merit when a (mawkish and horrible) Ray LaMontage single was described in it's advertising campaign as "an instant classic", you know, just 'cos it sounded a bit old and shit.

Greg W
21-11-2009, 03:35:10
That just means that people overuse or misuse the term. Pretty much like any good term these days ("eclectic" springs to mind). There's still classics and always will be. People's agreement on what is and isn't a classic may vary, but class(ics) stands(-s) the test of time.

On a slight tangent, how many of today's artists, for example, will be cited as inspirations for future artists in the same way that, f.e. Led Zeppelin are quoted by so many artists from the last 20 years as an influence? That for me is one of the problems of "pop" culture. It's too stereotypical. Take one or more hot women/guys, give them a decent bass and a bit of instrumentation, and instant Black Eyed Peas/Kane West/Beyonce/whoever. And I doubt that many of them will be remembered at all in 10/20/50 years...

Lazarus and the Gimp
21-11-2009, 09:56:27
This is hardly anything new. How many big hits from 1960 would you consider classics, even allowing for the fact that we've heard them at crap wedding receptions?

Michael Holliday - "Starry Eyed"
29 January for 1 week
Anthony Newley - "Why"
5 February for 4 weeks
Adam Faith - "Poor Me"
4 March for 2 weeks
Johnny Preston - "Running Bear"
17 March for 2 weeks
Lonnie Donegan - "My Old Man's a Dustman (Ballad of a Refuse Disposal Officer)"
31 March for 4 weeks
Anthony Newley - "Do You Mind"
28 April for 1 week
Everly Brothers - "Cathy's Clown"
5 May for 7 weeks
Eddie Cochran - "Three Steps to Heaven"
23 June for 2 weeks
Jimmy Jones - "Good Timin'"
7 July for 3 weeks
Cliff Richard & The Shadows - "Please Don't Tease"
28 July for 1 week
Johnny Kidd & The Pirates - "Shakin' All Over"
4 August for 1 week
Cliff Richard & The Shadows - "Please Don't Tease"
11 August for 2 weeks
The Shadows - "Apache"
25 August for 5 weeks
Ricky Valance - "Tell Laura I Love Her"
29 September for 3 weeks
Roy Orbison - "Only the Lonely (Know How I Feel)"
20 October for 2 weeks
Elvis Presley - "It's Now or Never"
3 November for 8 weeks
Cliff Richard & The Shadows - "I Love You"
29 December for 2 weeks

Greg W
21-11-2009, 10:49:12
Of that list, not many. From the 60s all up? A lot. Sorry, misread that. I thought you said from the 60s, not 1960 itself...

I agree with what you say about it not being anything different though. Look at Salt 'n' Pepa and Bros for two prime examples from the 80s. Big at the time, but (almost) nobody remembers them now.

21-11-2009, 21:26:29
Push It by Salt & Pepper's a proper 80s classic. A great track.

Scabrous Birdseed
22-11-2009, 10:09:22
"Push it" is a great track. So's "Shaking all over" (off the 1960 list). Are either of them classics in the broad consensus sense that Laz desires?

Lazarus and the Gimp
22-11-2009, 12:00:06
"Desire" doesn't matter either way. It'll happen whether it's desired or not.

Scabrous Birdseed
22-11-2009, 12:04:16
Sure, I agree. But should we be paying attention to it?

Lazarus and the Gimp
22-11-2009, 19:23:50
It'd be ignorant if we didn't.

Scabrous Birdseed
22-11-2009, 19:41:34
Okay, again a fair point. Gadamer would agree with you. (Plus, inevitably, say that we can't really ignore it, since it's part of our collective musical knowledge whether we want to or not.)

Sometimes, though, I think it can be a bit tiring to have to lean a discussion of what we like in music on the canon like this. It's fair to assume I have to build my argument as opposition to a rockist canon (which, I'm sure even you will agree, discriminates ridiculously in favour of white/first world/baby boomer/male/straight/cultured middle class tastes), but I do wish I could just ignore it sometimes, you know? Move past the dichotomy? See the good in all sorts of things, and in the crazy, self-contradictory, wavering combination of elements from different eras and genres (hello, deconstruction!).

23-11-2009, 12:54:06
My Old Man's a Dustman, classic.