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paiktis
20-05-2009, 10:17:58
Yes yes.
So a 40 year old stabbed his 26 year old wife with a knife in the throat then took in his embrace their twokids and jumped off a balcony instantly killing himself and one of the kids. the other is with serious body and head injuries and is fighting for its life.
he couldnt' get a job for months.

in other news, a 65 year old shot himslef with a shot gun in a village because after decades of work they didn't give him retirement and want him to work more

and still a 76 year old killed his 65 year old wife.

it's such a great day today

rise and shine rise and shine my sisteeer:violin:

protein
20-05-2009, 10:20:07
i hope this isn't a hint that you are going to do something similar. i wouldn't be very happy about that.

paiktis
20-05-2009, 10:24:20
If things get so serious no need for blood, there's always a coffee plantation somewhere in latin america waiting for me.

Funko
20-05-2009, 10:29:30
I guess millions of nice things happened today, people got married, had babies, lost their virginity, got a great new job, got a promotion, had a 'miraculous' escape from a car crash.

protein
20-05-2009, 10:30:47
nice things don't make the news. plus, people don't notice nice things, especially depressed people.

Funko
20-05-2009, 10:41:39
Apparently some guy did some research on newspaper archives and in the 70s about 30% of news stories were negative, now it's about 70%

Crime rates are lower now, life expectancy is higher, infant mortality is lower, chances of dying of most diseases are reduced...

but it appears like everything's much shitter 'cause the news is so negative. C'est la vie.

King_Ghidra
20-05-2009, 11:05:06
i think a news feed on lost virginity would be awesome

Fistandantilus
20-05-2009, 11:08:02
:lol: I was thinking the same thing but was afraid to post

Funko
20-05-2009, 11:20:10
:lol:

Could set up an anonymous twitter feed like secrettweet.

MoSe
20-05-2009, 11:46:57
Originally posted by Funko
... today, people .... lost their virginity...

can they reclaim it at the Lost Items Office?

MoSe
20-05-2009, 11:50:29
I spent a good couple minutes trying to figure what a twokid was

....hhmmmm.... a sort of twok (http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/TWOK)?.... hhhhmmmmmmm....

paiktis
20-05-2009, 12:02:27
duo bambine

paiktis
20-05-2009, 12:26:06
oh i just clicked the link. twok indeed

Drekkus
20-05-2009, 14:56:21
Originally posted by Funko
Apparently some guy did some research on newspaper archives and in the 70s about 30% of news stories were negative, now it's about 70%

Crime rates are lower now, life expectancy is higher, infant mortality is lower, chances of dying of most diseases are reduced...

but it appears like everything's much shitter 'cause the news is so negative. C'est la vie. Our pr manager was recently told by the national news agency that good news isn't news.

Japher
20-05-2009, 14:57:49
It's profit.

Funko
20-05-2009, 15:31:05
Originally posted by Drekkus
Our pr manager was recently told by the national news agency that good news isn't news.

Exactly, but wasn't true as little as 30 years ago.

Funko
20-05-2009, 15:33:57
Oh, unless it's some charlatan selling a miracle cure of course.

King_Ghidra
20-05-2009, 15:56:20
yeah but most 'good news' now is totally stupid bullshit anyway, like two idiots getting married dressed as the characters from shrek or something.

it's the expectation that there will be a constant stream of news and the dedicated 24hr delivery of news media that has forced more and more non-newsworthy things to become news simply so that there is something to report on.

bad news has an inherent greater newsworthiness about it because it's generally more serious. if bbc news 247 was covering a dozen stories a day about funny kittens and marriages it would be even more of a farce than it is now

Funko
20-05-2009, 16:29:07
Good news can be serious and even sometimes exciting. Not just about kittens or whatever.

Crime rates down, new schools open, heroic rescues, promising trial of new cancer drug, best exam results ever....

We still get stories like that but the percentage of news on positive stories is decreasing because it seems the more shocking and horrific the news is the bigger market share of viewers/readers you get.

Everyone's read the news on the interweb before they see the TV news anyway so at most they just want the exciting pictures.

Immortal Wombat
20-05-2009, 17:20:30
I like this website: http://todayisa.com/

It's a good day most of the time.

Drekkus
20-05-2009, 18:10:02
I saw an item in the news about an american policeman who caught falling ducklings with his hands and escort them and motherduck across town to safety.

protein
20-05-2009, 20:32:26
good news comes across as propaganda to us cynics. i noticed in india and thailand that they often show good news. government schemes, roads, incentives etc.

paiktis
20-05-2009, 20:55:38
i think it has to do with the human condition.
if we're happy (good news) we don't analyze it. we just live it.
if there is a problem (bad news) we talk about it.
same with the news.

doesn't explain if things were different in the news 30 years ago, but i'd be a bit suspicious of the valitidy of that study. if it is trustworthy it'd be interesting

paiktis
20-05-2009, 20:58:36
plus maybe there's a vampirism going on. i remember a guy from work he used to revel on human tragedies. earthquakes, tornados, fires, whatever happened that had a catastrophy in it in whatever place of the world he'd announce it first to the paper.

otoh from the journalist point of view, maybe when you're dealing with a problem rather than a joyful story you might think you're doing some good, some hard work. whereas happy stories are considered, "light" work.

paiktis
20-05-2009, 21:09:58
Originally posted by protein
good news comes across as propaganda to us cynics. i noticed in india and thailand that they often show good news. government schemes, roads, incentives etc.


that could also be gov. intervention in the news...

Greg W
21-05-2009, 02:36:23
Originally posted by Funko
I guess millions of nice things happened today, people ... lost their virginity...because they sold it on the internet for $20,000 to help pay for their degree. :rolleyes:

King_Ghidra
21-05-2009, 08:13:31
Originally posted by Funko


Crime rates down, new schools open, heroic rescues, promising trial of new cancer drug, best exam results ever....

We still get stories like that but the percentage of news on positive stories is decreasing because it seems the more shocking and horrific the news is the bigger market share of viewers/readers you get.

or because the proportion of your good news events is simply not as large as the bad news

and btw, crime rates down normally means a discussion of how the govt. is fiddling the figures, new cancer drugs news is tainted with the idea of how long it will take to market and how expensive it will be etc. your unequivocally good news is surely not as numerous as you seem to be implying.

your quote regarding the research of change of percentage of good news rather makes me believe that there was an element of delusion and hidden misery in the historical media rather than the world has changed to a worse place.

there are more reported rapes than ever, is that because there are more rapes or because more people are prepared to report them?

i think bad news is partly because of things like that, and as a i said before, partly because of the obsession with providing non-stop news, any news

MoSe
21-05-2009, 08:21:27
Originally posted by Greg W
Originally posted by Funko
I guess millions of nice things happened today, people ... lost their virginity...
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because they sold it on the internet for $20,000 to help pay for their degree. :rolleyes:
I wonder how much can Hymenorrhaphy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymenorrhaphy) cost.
let's see...
http://www.revirgination.net/hymenrepair.html
Price of Hymen repair
Many surgeon offer Hymenoplasty. It could be done in local anesthetic and require no hospitalization. Depend on the location and surgeon, it could cost as little as $1,800 to $5,000.

Here is some information of the cost of hymen repair i found on the web

Hymeonplasty Cost:
Depending on your geographic location and choice of surgeon the price may range between $2500 - $4500.
Source:http://www.lasertreatments.com/hymenoplasty.html

Hymen Repair Surgery in Argentina , 9 nights - Cristal Palace Hotel accommodations and Billingual Assistant + Transportation has a price of USD 2435.
http://www.plenitas.com/en/reconstruccion-himen.htm

Hymen repair surgery with all anesthesia services, facility fees, and postoperative visits cost you $3900

so, imagine you can really sell it for 20k, and restore it "as-new" for 5k...

that would be a too much easy exploit, like planting forest and harvesting it over and over again in Civ/SMAC
I think we should agree on banning it

:D

MoSe
21-05-2009, 08:24:51
Hmmm....
"H.Repair with all services including BILINGUAL assistant..."


Hhhhhmmmmm....

Funko
21-05-2009, 08:25:45
I think life generally is better now than it was in the 70s in most ways but back then most stories were positive and now most stories are negative. So my view is that is partly an editorial switch not a change in the numbers of things you could write about that are good or bad.

24 hour news does encourage bad news, definitely.

I think the other thing is that news is now much more global, you can get spectacular pictures from anywhere in the planet within minutes. And whilst I don't think negative news is more important than positive news it is normally more spectacular.

Funko
21-05-2009, 08:26:09
Damn MoSe's x-posts. :bash:

MoSe
21-05-2009, 08:28:09
I'll help you restore this thread virginity for 500 only
Bargain!

Greg W
21-05-2009, 14:52:45
I wouldn't necessarily say that life is much better than the 70s. Yeah, there's more technological breakthroughs, but is the lifestyle really any better? I'd say we're suffering from working more for less pay, more expectations on us to work more, less union protection, worse conditions and so on.

Then again, I don't exactly have figures on that, that's just a feeling.

Funko
21-05-2009, 15:01:36
I guess that's my point. Most of those things aren't true but it's a common perception that they are.

We're definitely wealthier (at least in western nations) than we were in the 70s.

Conditions at work I'd say is better health and safety are certainly much better. Fewer workplace accidents, lots of legislation about things like disabled workplace access, non-smoking offices etc.

We've also now got a minimum wage in the UK that we didn't have in the 70s.

There are also rules about other discriminations, pay equality etc. and those things have improved even if they aren't equal yet.

In Europe we have the Working Time Directive that limits working hours (although the UK opted out of that)

Less union protection is definitely true although arguably it's less valuable with some of the other improvements.

Despite the problems with various health systems advances mean that healthcare is much better than it was as are life expectencies.

I don't have any data on stress, although a lot of problems of that sort are diagnosed as a problem now when they rarely if ever were in the 70s.

So we live longer, get paid more, own more, have safer cleaner, fairer working environments, work less but often think all those things are worse.

Greg W
21-05-2009, 15:08:57
I'm not so sure about the working less part, that's one I'd have to see figures on to believe. But then that could be because we have no such laws here and it's been on the news (gasp) a bit in the last few years.

Wealthier? How do you say that when nowdays, both parents have to work when in the 70s a man could earn enough that his wife didn't have to work?

Safety and OH&S I will definitely give you. Legislation I think has gone overboard, but that's another story. Discrimination, sure. Minimum wage I think we always had.

King_Ghidra
21-05-2009, 15:14:08
Originally posted by Greg W

both parents have to work when in the 70s a man could earn enough that his wife didn't have to work?



Have to or choose to? You can see increased female employment as a curse or liberation depending on your politics i guess.

Western economies have grown massively thanks to both adults in the nuclear family working.

Greg W
21-05-2009, 15:15:55
These days if you want to have a family and a house, it's a must. Well, in the capital cities (of Australia) anyway.

King_Ghidra
21-05-2009, 15:16:38
Maybe if you marry a bus driver :p

Funko
21-05-2009, 15:16:53
Yeah, working less could well not be right, but I bet there were people working massively long hours in the 70s.

Wealthier because they earn more money than they did in the 70s even when adjusted for inflation.

Both partners work more often now than in the 70s, but that's not just about money. It's also about women wanting to work and having the opportunities. And having so much more shit than we did in the 70s. Families have 2 cars, tons of electronic goodies. You don't have 1 TV for the whole family, you get houses with a TV in every room, with sattelite, cable. Computers...

We can afford to just buy some stuff we like the look of and throw it away when we're done because it's cheaper than getting it fixed. We buy expensive convenience foods because we can't be bothered cooking... we earn more money, but we spend a lot more.

Greg W
21-05-2009, 15:20:43
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
Maybe if you marry a bus driver :p You know the weird thing? I will earn more this year than I did in my last few years in IT. Only just, but still...

MoSe
21-05-2009, 15:23:16
did we already make that joke about an IT-worker specializing in drivers and in buses?

I'm sure we did
move on, nothing to see here

Funko
21-05-2009, 15:24:32
You'd have to work hard to find an IT job for an experienced person that paid less than a bus driver here.

Greg W
21-05-2009, 15:24:37
Short bus?

King_Ghidra
21-05-2009, 15:25:31
Originally posted by Greg W
You know the weird thing? I will earn more this year than I did in my last few years in IT. Only just, but still...

so life is better

Greg W
21-05-2009, 15:28:07
Originally posted by Funko
You'd have to work hard to find an IT job for an experienced person that paid less than a bus driver here. Yeah, I heard that your bus drivers used to earn heaps, but then it got outsourced and now they earn crap...

I guess to give an example, I am now earning about 3-4 times as much as an entry level clerk.

Greg W
21-05-2009, 15:29:21
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
so life is better Not necessarily. More money <> better life. :p

Greg W
21-05-2009, 15:29:47
Anyways, nice hijacking of Paiktis' thread here. :cute:

Funko
21-05-2009, 15:32:16
That's probably not bad.

King_Ghidra
21-05-2009, 15:38:10
Originally posted by Greg W
Not necessarily. More money <> better life. :p

Now we know where you've been going wrong.

paiktis
21-05-2009, 21:10:48
I'm not so sure we work less and earn more...
then again wealth has gone up for sure.

anyway i know that in other countries of western europe the private sector indeed works. work schedules are respected, salary agreements are adequate...

then there're also horrour stories. a young lawyer i know works 12 hours a day for 800 euros in some law office.

i don't know i guess it has to do with whatever one person chooses.

you can choose to work your ass off and earn more or just be laid back.

that's what i like about a free economy, the freedom to choose.

after that though there are tons of factors to consider.
why depression has crawled up to be one of the main diseases affecting the developed world?

one can say it's a luxury disease. maybe it is so. that doesn't make it any less severe.

also i think it depends on your mindset. Funko must be happy so he sees a lot of things from this prism. i think you can also see things from a different angle.

but as i said it's about choice really.

when i was stationed at the islands, with a small but secure paycheck for the rest of my life... i felt i would die. for others that would have been paradise.

it's the freedom that matters. but let's not forget that poverty, not being able to secure lodgings and something to eat is one of the worse imprisonments as well. and there's plenty of it. as there is exploitation.

i think it's a never ending battle and lots of things depend on your point of view.

Funko
22-05-2009, 08:00:53
Yeah, I am happy but I also used to be depressed so I understand the other prism.

Funko
22-05-2009, 08:05:42
Friendships and relationships are what make people happy/unhappy. The fact that we have more stuff, a life made easier by countless gadgets and live longer than ever before doesn't make us happy.

The same things that always made us happy make us happy, stable family life, good community of friends, being fit and healthy.

King_Ghidra
22-05-2009, 08:14:00
hence hasselbaink = always happy

Funko
22-05-2009, 08:20:29
Gay = Happy

Oerdin
22-05-2009, 08:24:39
Funko is very happy. ;)

paiktis
22-05-2009, 17:00:01
Originally posted by Funko
Friendships and relationships are what make people happy/unhappy. The fact that we have more stuff, a life made easier by countless gadgets and live longer than ever before doesn't make us happy.

The same things that always made us happy make us happy, stable family life, good community of friends, being fit and healthy.

The thing is how the current way of life and the current set of values facilitates these things.

I'm not so sure it does.

Not to play down Funko's well being (and I'm not saying it relates to what I say next) but I have found out that the people that "have problems" are the people that don't at all accept what is being served to them. i.e. consumerism, the succesful workaholic yuppie with the expensive car etc....
They think it's a hoax, they don't fit and there is a clear cut reality that is being served to them that they don't accept

Sirius Black
23-05-2009, 04:30:37
The unhappy ones being the ones that don't buy into the societal creations of happy behavior... jj, but this thread, it too srs now.

Provost Harrison
23-05-2009, 09:46:31
Originally posted by Funko
Friendships and relationships are what make people happy/unhappy. The fact that we have more stuff, a life made easier by countless gadgets and live longer than ever before doesn't make us happy.

The same things that always made us happy make us happy, stable family life, good community of friends, being fit and healthy.

Very true. I'm doing alright nowadays, decent job, no major hardships. So it is other stuff in my life that worries me and pisses me off. It was the other way round when my job was going shit. I don't know, sometimes it is an inherent part of being human that we dwell on the bad stuff and forget about everything that is going right. And sometimes it seems like the more we have, the more miserable we are.