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MoSe
20-04-2009, 07:10:23
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa_cup


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As well as being presented with the trophy, the winning team also qualifies for the UEFA Cup (to be renamed the UEFA Europa League from the 2009-10 season onwards). Historically, if the winners have already qualified for the UEFA Champions League via the Premier League, the UEFA Cup place goes to the FA Cup runners-up. However, UEFA has changed the requirements for this runners-up rule. Beginning with the UEFA Europa League, the UEFA Cup place will be given to the highest finishing Premier League team that has not qualified for European competition if the winner of the FA Cup has already qualified.


last season they'd have clinched a cup berth just by getting into FA Cup Final with a sure UCL qualifier

luckily for them, they're currently in a comfy 6th place, which got already granted EL access since ManU had beaten Spurs in the League Cup.

considering that Everton won't probably relinquish their 6th rank either (7 points margin with just 5 games to go), this entails that regardless the FA Cup result, the 7th ranked team will get into EL too.

This opens up an interesting "Ham Race":
:D
45 West Ham
44 Fulham, Tottenham
(with eventually City and Wigan catching up from 41)

MoSe
20-04-2009, 07:22:36
Regarding the "runner-up rule", it's interesting that the domestic Cup wiki site fot Italian Association (Coppa Italia) reports instead that in case the cup winner is already qualified by league position, the EL berth still goes to cup runners up.

I wonder if that's just because our cup link is less up-to-date, or there's something more to it instead

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppa_Italia_2008-09

The winners earn a spot in the play-off round of the UEFA Europa League 200910. If the winners qualify for European competition by virtue of their league position, this berth would be be given to the cup runners-up. If the runners-up also qualify for any European competition by virtue of their league position, then the Serie A team positioned 6th moves up from the UEFA Europa League 200910 third qualifying round to the play-off round, and the 7th-placed team in Serie A qualifies for the Third Qualifying Round

MoSe
20-04-2009, 07:38:09
see there too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_League

this regarded UEFA Cup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_League#Qualification
If a team qualifies for European competition through both winning a cup and league placing, the "spare" UEFA Cup place will go to either the cup runners-up or the highest placed league team which has not already qualified for European competition, depending on the rules of the national association.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_League#New_format_in_2009.E2.80.9310
this regards EL proper
The losing finalist for the domestic cup competition will still be entitled to be entered for the UEFA Europa League should the domestic cup winners qualify for the UEFA Champions League

so, wiki is not of course the official media for UEFA, however, in the FA Cup page it says UEFA required to drop the domestic cup runner-up eligibility, while in the EL page it says it's a decision of the national association (FA in this case)

:hmm:

Fistandantilus
20-04-2009, 10:38:41
Originally posted by MoSe
This opens up an interesting "Ham Race":
:D
45 West Ham
44 Fulham, Tottenham
(with eventually City and Wigan catching up from 41)

Go spurs! Amazing how they recovered from a horrendous start.

MOBIUS
20-04-2009, 12:46:51
Fuck off fucking Spurs!:brwncard:

fp
20-04-2009, 17:02:21
:beer:
Yay Spurs!

fp
20-04-2009, 17:03:17
I'd like to see what the league table would look like only taking into account games since Harry Redknapp took over at Spurs. My guess is that we'd be 6th behind the big four and Everton.

MOBIUS
20-04-2009, 20:53:00
So, hardly any change then...:p

fp
20-04-2009, 21:37:29
Hardly.

Fistandantilus
20-04-2009, 23:11:40
Well, they are even unbeaten against the big four so far, sure they still have to play Liverpool and ManU away but

Chelsea - Tottenham 1-1
Tottenham - Chelsea 1-0

Arsenal - Tottenham 4-4
Tottenham - Arsenal 0-0

Tottenham - Liverpool 2-1

Tottenham - ManU 0-0

is quite good :)

fp
25-04-2009, 20:55:47
That record ended in style today. :(

Funko
27-04-2009, 07:53:11
At 2-0 I thought they were about to make the title run-in very interesting.

MoSe
11-05-2009, 07:31:56
50 (+6) Fulham (@Newcastle, v.Everton)
48 (+1) Tottenham (v.M.City, @Liverpool)
48 (-2) West Ham (@Everton, v.Boro)
47 (+8) M.City (@Tottenham, v.Bolton)

all odds are now likely on Fulham to be your last team in Europe next season

Funko
11-05-2009, 07:55:45
If it is them they deserve it, but they aren't as well placed as the other three teams to cope with the extra games.