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protein
14-03-2009, 00:53:40
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7941817.stm

Mr Hunt has become the pioneer in a rejuvenated campaign for a way of cancelling baptisms given to children too young to decide for themselves whether they wanted this formal initiation into Christianity.

what a load of pish. if you don't believe in spirits, why would you want to be unbaptised? if a gypsy blesses you, you don't demand to be unblessed, you just ignore them.

i thought i was an annoying atheist but this guy is an actual dick. priests and the church have more important things to do than dealing with militants. like dealing with bereavement, depressed people, homelessness and so on.

Debaser
14-03-2009, 01:17:39
He's just another crank. The world is full of them. So what.

protein
14-03-2009, 01:47:21
so i gave it a minute's thought goddammit!

jsorense
14-03-2009, 02:36:37
Is this about religion?
I don't get it.

Greg W
14-03-2009, 03:05:43
Originally posted by protein
priests and the church have more important things to do than dealing with militants. like dealing with bereavement, depressed people, homelessness and so on. And choir boys, private school boarders...

Koshko
15-03-2009, 21:42:39
He could just continue being like about 100 million other lapsed Christians and no go to church or pray. *shrugs*

RedFred
16-03-2009, 05:13:38
I don't care, but I am liking protein's 'om sweet om' avatar.

Funko
16-03-2009, 08:54:08
I wasn't baptised so I couldn't do this even if I wanted to.

MoSe
16-03-2009, 10:03:07
whence Unholy?

;)

Nills Lagerbaak
16-03-2009, 10:23:16
Originally posted by RedFred
I don't care, but I am liking protein's 'om sweet om' avatar.

It is a great avatar..... ah purple omelettes.

Funko
16-03-2009, 10:24:55
:lol:

MDA
16-03-2009, 11:56:32
sacraments can't be undone, I think

That's what my Catholic boss tells me. His father is a priest, he's just agreed not to do any more priesty stuff except for special circumstances (last rites at an accident scene, I guess?).

MoSe
16-03-2009, 12:48:59
ummmmm... if baptism ritual serves the purpose to clean the so-called original sin, the "sin" is no more there, even if you perfomr somthing as "un-cleaning"....

the simplest way would be imho to *reinstate* that original sin that was removed.
this does not mean to add new actual sins.
you should re-bind your soul to the intrinsic impurity cast on every human since the first blonde in history
That source of sin must be there available somewhere, as it waits to be bound everytime a new soul is associated with a newborn.
You just need to reconnect to it and tap it, despite the moment of your birth is passed.

I think some Satanic ritual should do

BTW, I happened to watch a few episodes of the "Reaper" TV series, I really liked it

King_Ghidra
16-03-2009, 13:31:49
As Mose's repsonse indicates, i think that attempting to reclaim yourself from the power of your baptism would ultimately imply a recognition of divine power and ritual and thus a belief in the force you are trying to discredit. seems a rather self-defeating concept.

still, as debaser says...

MoSe
16-03-2009, 13:46:49
...the point could be, what if a new Muslim Hitler invades Europe and starts a new holocaust by killing all people inscribed in the church baptism lists....

:nervous:

Funko
16-03-2009, 13:49:51
Why would he spare athiests?

And if he's killed them in order, when he got to the renouncement 20+ years later in the records it'd be a bit late.

Basically, if you don't believe in god it's irrelevant whether or not you were baptised.

MoSe
16-03-2009, 13:54:31
on the contrary:

if you were batptised you're now a traitor of you faith!
a defector!
an abjurer!

:lol:

Funko
16-03-2009, 14:01:29
I wasn't.

protein
16-03-2009, 15:02:51
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
It is a great avatar..... ah purple omelettes.
the first trip i did was a purple om. i was sixteen and it was at reading festival. it was around about then that i developed my deep hatred of the red hot chili peppers.

Funko
16-03-2009, 15:22:42
It was around that time that some of Nills' school friends told him Om stood for Omelette, much to our amusement when he tried to pass that on to us.

protein
16-03-2009, 19:59:54
considering his dad was a renowned expert on om, i'm impressed at nills' friends bullshitting capacity.

Oerdin
16-03-2009, 20:06:49
I want an omelette. In fact I think I'll go get one for lunch.

MoSe
17-03-2009, 07:29:56
OM-1337 !!1!

MOBIUS
17-03-2009, 10:25:24
Do they perform de baptism in de Nile?

King_Ghidra
17-03-2009, 10:26:33
OMG

paiktis
17-03-2009, 12:48:59
We used to bast the balls of our priest-teacher in religious class (oh yes, they still exist) telling him that if a child dies before it is baptised then it is not cleansed of the original sin and will go to hell. So what kind of god is this if he allows this thing to happen?

Then of course as life progressed we found more incidents portraying absurdity and viciousness from the part of god. And that little phrase "the wills of god are mysterious" does not always cover what happens.

Although there must be some kind of solace in believing that everything that happens is part of a greater plan formulated by a benevolent all powerful god that wants what's good for mankind. If it entails some kind of masochism I'm not sure. Because from a hedonistic point of view the road is pretty clear. What feels good you do, what feels bad you don't. Then piety and humility comes in and fogs up things.

Funko
17-03-2009, 13:07:34
Dunno about piety and humility, what about just simply, acting towards others as you'd hope they act towards you. Or just following some rules that allow society to function as best as possible.

King_Ghidra
17-03-2009, 13:33:37
Originally posted by Funko
acting towards others as you'd hope they act towards you

i tried that with those supermodels and ended up in jail for the night.

Funko
17-03-2009, 13:52:56
:lol:

MoSe
17-03-2009, 14:54:46
Originally posted by paiktis
if a child dies before it is baptised then it is not cleansed of the original sin and will go to hell.

Wrong.

They made up Limbo expressly for those poor unbaptised babies.

It's unclear tho until which age this deresponsabilizing escape remains valid.
(at some point you'll be grown-up enought so that if you still don't require for yourself to get baptised it will be your fault and not your parents')

Of course you might argue whether Limbo IS part of Hell, or not.
Dante puts it in the Inferno, but I can't recall whether it is placed outside the gates, ot the bordering river, whatever

MoSe
17-03-2009, 15:05:54
lol, I didn't know it's much more debated than that!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo

MoSe
17-03-2009, 15:06:21
and

Originally posted by MOBIUS
Do they perform de baptism in de Nile?

:lol:

MDA
17-03-2009, 15:09:59
Limbo was the first circle in the Inferno, but the only thing bad about the first circle is you had no hope of salvation. It was a place for people without faith/belief in Christ, but without willful sin. It didn't seem so bad to me.


Wiki describes a "limbo of infants"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo

:bash: you guys are too fast

paiktis
18-03-2009, 11:48:24
Originally posted by MoSe
[B]Wrong.

They made up Limbo expressly for those poor unbaptised babies.



There is no limbo in the orthodox church. You're either fried or upstairs eating grapes.

MoSe
18-03-2009, 12:10:13
mmmmm.... fried grapes.....

MoSe
18-03-2009, 12:12:06
It's a hybrid of me - I'm a hybrid of he
You're a misfit of me - I'm a misfit of you ...in limbo

Drekkus
18-03-2009, 15:39:08
http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/x_3131c119.jpg

Funko
18-03-2009, 15:46:48
:lol:

:beer:

MOBIUS
18-03-2009, 15:59:42
:lol:

That Satan dude is such a loser

Japher
23-03-2009, 19:54:26
Born again Pagan is akin to a born again virgin.

Greg W
24-03-2009, 01:12:40
:lol: