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protein
24-02-2009, 15:24:22
if we gave a list of spotify songs each, we could listen to them instantly with no fucking about. we could even do one song each a week.

King_Ghidra
24-02-2009, 15:39:37
Will spotify have the random and obscure stuff that people like to contribute for LWP? I've not used it so don't know how deep the or extensive the coverage is.

Funko
24-02-2009, 16:40:53
I quite like the idea. (although have also never used spotify)

protein
24-02-2009, 17:37:55
i've found every song i can think of. i think it needs to have been released. i found rebus stuff but not sonic undermind stuff for example.

Scabrous Birdseed
24-02-2009, 18:14:12
I'm up for that, even though half the stuff I listen to is not on Spotify.

Oh, and I think I may have an invite left over if anyone needs it.

Pity you can't anonymize.

protein
24-02-2009, 18:59:45
invite? i just heard of it, logged on to the free service and i'm away.

Lazarus and the Gimp
24-02-2009, 19:54:28
What the hell is spotify?

protein
24-02-2009, 20:27:30
check it out. you'll love it.

Scabrous Birdseed
24-02-2009, 21:11:46
Originally posted by protein
invite? i just heard of it, logged on to the free service and i'm away.

It's still invites only here. Strange - it was launched in Sweden first, why would the UK get free entry? :clueless:

Immortal Wombat
24-02-2009, 23:00:30
it still claims to be invite-only, but the sign-up thing appears to work.

Lazarus and the Gimp
25-02-2009, 06:37:50
How illegal is it?

Mr. Bas
25-02-2009, 10:53:53
I'm not familiar with spotify either. But anyway, if it's simple to use, I'd be up for it.

Scabrous Birdseed
25-02-2009, 11:07:27
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
How illegal is it?

Not at all, unfortunately. I was part of the closed beta and there used to be so much more material on there before they started caring about "clearance" and shit.

King_Ghidra
27-02-2009, 09:24:05
btw, wouldn't listening to them via spotify tell you what the track was? kind of a fundamental of lwp no?

Funko
27-02-2009, 09:33:01
v good point.

protein
27-02-2009, 17:21:03
i guess it could be called "listen without prejudice as long as you don't have any weird prejudices based on the name of a song"

Funko
27-02-2009, 17:26:31
The prejudices normally come from knowing the artist.

protein
27-02-2009, 17:53:16
ah. but it's an exercise in listening to a song properly without giving into your prejudice.

for example i dislike pete doherty but if there was an obvious pete doherty song on there i'd at least be able to judge the shape of the song, the emotion i get from it. plus i only dislike pete doherty because i think his music is awful. i might be pleasantly surprised by a pete doherty song. besides if i wasn't told that it was a pete doherty song i'd still know it was because it would obviously be him. and the whole exercise means that i can't turn it off in disgust, i have to listen to it enough so i can judge the song for what it is. the artist and the song are separate after all.

anyway, it was just a suggestion linking it to the "lwp" thing. we could give it a new name. since we have this amazing new thing that means i can suggest ten tracks to you and you can call them up literally instantly on your computer, the whole posting cds around the world thing seems silly.

Lazarus and the Gimp
27-02-2009, 20:23:51
I think we gave up the posting CD's quite some time back. The last two were web-based.

protein
27-02-2009, 20:36:41
aah. well. never mind then.

Funko
02-03-2009, 09:05:02
I think it's still a good idea. No reason not to do it. Sounds like people can create playlists so we could do it in the old style and have it as one playlist for everyone to listen to, or just post up songs for people to check out.

Scabrous Birdseed
02-03-2009, 18:46:49
No, I agree. Maybe we could do it with just really obscure music or a genre few people have any preconceived notions about?

protein
02-03-2009, 19:07:39
that sound quite interesting. i'm more about good songs than obscurity - but they aren't mutually exclusive.

i wonder if we should have something random pick a genre, it might very well end up alternative american rock or transexual jpop - but we have to go with it whatever it is, then we pick songs that we know and like or try and discover some that we really like.

Scabrous Birdseed
02-03-2009, 19:18:22
I was going to suggest Wikipedia's list of genres, but it tends to be a tad obscurist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_styles_of_music

protein
02-03-2009, 19:22:13
we could get a poster with a pet monkey to pick a genre.

Scabrous Birdseed
02-03-2009, 19:28:23
Drekkus? Reckon mr g would be up for it?

Debaser
02-03-2009, 19:34:42
Why the obsession with genres? Seeing how it always end up with everyone trying to out-obscure each other, why not just have everyone add their favorite "obscure" songs to a playlist (like Scabby said).

protein
02-03-2009, 19:48:09
well, like i said, i'm into good songs rather than obscurity but i thought i'd play along for the sake of the game. that's why i suggested we pick a random genre as a theme to try and avoid any sort of obscurity battle.

i'm not really sure what's going on any more. is lwp a game? is it meant to be themed? is it meant to be this hard?

i just want people to recommend music to me that i have to listen to and judge. that sounds fun. i'm gradually going off the idea because its starting to seem like hassle.

Scabrous Birdseed
02-03-2009, 20:00:22
Usually someone just decides on rules and sets it up, and everyone tags along. *hint hint*

Scabrous Birdseed
02-03-2009, 20:07:11
(The random debating is just a pre-amble.)

My thought is to do either Jazz or "classical"/western art music. I certainly don't have any prejudices in those particular genres.

Immortal Wombat
02-03-2009, 20:09:46
LWP is a recommendations system. As far as I can tell, the hassle exists to attempt to make it a "fair" system. Which has meant: participants should recommend similar amounts, participants should provide similar amounts of feedback.
The secondary ideal is that participants should encounter new music (so as to be able to LWP), hence the tendency towards obscurity - because the field of non-obscure things is pretty well explored by people who like music. That's harder on spotify, so hence the desire to push it slightly more.

I'm not sure it matters though. Just pick a few tracks that people might not have heard before, post spotify links, profit. The main question (afaics) is whether each track gets its own thread or not.

protein
02-03-2009, 20:15:23
we need funko.

Lazarus and the Gimp
02-03-2009, 20:38:51
Oh, God. No more themes, please. They killed LWP.

protein
02-03-2009, 21:33:15
i wouldn't know i haven't done it for five years or whatever. the bureaucracy put me off. now there's spotify it should be a piece of piss we could be doing it in five minutes.

this reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YawagQ6lLrA

Scabrous Birdseed
02-03-2009, 22:05:10
Okay, everyone just post something they've liked recently then. Unpretentious and simple. One thread each?

protein
02-03-2009, 22:13:12
didn't it used to be that you'd submit three tracks to one person, that person would put the tracks on cd and then everyone would listen and then do a short comment and then admit to submitting the tracks.

that seems like a good thing. i'm happy to compile it. all i need to do is add everyone's tracks to a playlist and post it here. then i guess we review. or something. or just enjoy the music without bothering people with our views.

Scabrous Birdseed
02-03-2009, 23:15:26
Sounds great. Three tracks, any theme, just what we like at the moment and is available on spotify. I think that's a great setup.

Funko
03-03-2009, 08:46:34
Brilliant. I'll have to install spotify.

Funko
03-03-2009, 09:32:07
I'm in.

protein
03-03-2009, 12:55:48
okeydokey, i guess everyone should send me their tracks by pm. just a list will do and then i'll put them all together in a playlist. i reckon the deadline is friday.

then we can argue about how/if we review.

Funko
03-03-2009, 13:01:24
Could do the collaborative playlist thing Alex is doing on WRG. (have to trust people not to delete).

Scabrous Birdseed
03-03-2009, 13:27:27
At least this setup allows anonymity when it comes to which poster posted what. That's good.

I'll have three tracks over later today.

Funko
03-03-2009, 13:50:49
Worth remembering that whenever there's a song on LWP that I think everyone must know, there are a good few people who've never heard it. Especially when it was only big in one country or whatever.

Scabrous Birdseed
03-03-2009, 16:42:29
Right, I've sent my tracks to protein. A bit rushed, but hey.

Scabrous Birdseed
04-03-2009, 09:38:15
You should probably post a separate thread to let people who don't want to listen to our ramblings know.

Mr. Bas
04-03-2009, 13:18:02
Apparently, Spotify is not available in the Netherlands. Bollocks. I'll try to make it function later today, but chances are it's not going to work.

Funko
04-03-2009, 14:53:30
Crazy busy but sent some submissions.

Immortal Wombat
07-03-2009, 22:28:11
ok, found the intersection of music I didn't hear of via CG and music that is on Spotify.