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Funko
21-01-2009, 16:05:35
FIGHT!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/jan/21/steven-wells-hooligan-american-sport

Dyl Ulenspiegel
21-01-2009, 18:22:45
Is this another Orioles thread?

Asher
21-01-2009, 19:05:17
That was such a crap article that I have to genuinely think it is satire.

I don't think he understands how rare fan hooliganism is in North America. He can point to a handful of incidents over a population of 350 million, but it's really nothing compared to what we see on far larger scales far more often overseas.

Though I suppose if the author had any intelligence at all he (1) wouldn't ever go to Philly, and (2) wouldn't write for a rag like The Guardian

Oerdin
21-01-2009, 22:13:08
The Oakland Raiders fans are complete thugs. They routinely beat up anyone wearing the colors of the other team.

Asher
21-01-2009, 22:57:55
To be fair, you're describing the entire population of Oakland and not just raiders fans.

Koshko
22-01-2009, 01:43:00
To be fair, if you lived in Oakland, you'd be full of blind rage too.

Asher
22-01-2009, 01:58:22
You're being redundant.

Koshko
22-01-2009, 03:25:54
Detroit is the Oakland on the Great Lakes.

Asher
22-01-2009, 04:00:56
Oakland is the Detroit of the UK.

Lurker the Second
22-01-2009, 04:27:02
Huh?

Koshko
22-01-2009, 04:27:13
The UK is the Detroit of Canada.

Asher
22-01-2009, 04:32:39
Well said.

Funko
22-01-2009, 09:14:04
Originally posted by Asher
I don't think he understands how rare fan hooliganism is in North America. He can point to a handful of incidents over a population of 350 million, but it's really nothing compared to what we see on far larger scales far more often overseas.

I don't think you understand how rare fan hooliganism is in the UK these days.

As far as I can see his point is the difference in reporting standards between events in the different countries.

The things he linked to are much worse than anything we'd ever see here. Yeah, it's a country of six times the population, but he linked to a lot of hooliganism related murders, those are incredibly rare here.

Anyway the point is that they are described as exceptional one off events if they happen in the US but anything happening in Europe is a symptom of their pervasive hooliganism.

Your reaction shows that view is widespread.

Fistandantilus
22-01-2009, 09:37:18
In May a Yankees fan driving a car ran down and killed a Red Sox fan who yelled: "Yankees suck".


:(

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-01-2009, 11:18:46
Originally posted by Funko

Anyway the point is that they are described as exceptional one off events if they happen in the US but anything happening in Europe is a symptom of their pervasive hooliganism.


Just the standard method of their jingoistic media.

Funko
22-01-2009, 11:20:27
I don't think ours is much better.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-01-2009, 11:23:50
Most journalists are retards, although their retardedness comes in different shapes.

US media are 99 % jingoistic, 1 % whining.

Here I'd say it's 50:50.

Asher
22-01-2009, 15:29:44
Originally posted by Funko
I don't think you understand how rare fan hooliganism is in the UK these days.
I was in London for 3 days and witnessed sporting hooliganism. You lie!

I lived in the USA for 4 years and witnessed zero sporting hooliganism! You lie!

Funko
22-01-2009, 15:43:06
I read about someone in the states who won the jackpot in the lottery with the first ticket they ever bought.

I know people who've bought lottery tickets in the UK every week since it started and never won the jackpot.

Therefore lottery winning is widespread in the US but very rare in the UK.

According to Asher logic.

Asher
22-01-2009, 15:52:51
No, Asher's logic is as follows:

It is stupid to play the lottery.

It is stupid to live in the UK.

People who play the lottery are therefore stupid.

People who play the lottery in the UK are as least as stupid as those who play the lottery in the USA, but probably more stupid.

It is therefore reasonable to assume more people who play the lottery in the UK do not properly fill out their lottery tickets, and therefore never win.

Resource Consumer
22-01-2009, 16:01:09
I'd just let the hooligans beat them up.

Funko
22-01-2009, 16:02:07
Lottery winners?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-01-2009, 16:07:37
excellent idea

MDA
22-01-2009, 16:26:53
or we could lock all the telemarketers, lawyers, planet-raping bastards and skinheads in Thunderdome together

Oerdin
22-01-2009, 18:25:43
Originally posted by Funko
I read about someone in the states who won the jackpot in the lottery with the first ticket they ever bought.

I know people who've bought lottery tickets in the UK every week since it started and never won the jackpot.

Therefore lottery winning is widespread in the US but very rare in the UK.

According to Asher logic.

I should go buy a lottery ticket then.

Funko
23-01-2009, 09:28:31
I can now predict Asher's next post:

People who play the lottery in San Diego are as least as stupid as those who play the lottery in the UK, but probably more stupid.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
23-01-2009, 09:38:06
Ashbot

Asher
23-01-2009, 14:51:44
Originally posted by Funko
I can now predict Asher's next post:

People who play the lottery in San Diego are as least as stupid as those who play the lottery in the UK, but probably more stupid.

As you can see, this logic is infallible and obvious.

Oerdin
23-01-2009, 15:00:18
Originally posted by Funko
I can now predict Asher's next post:

People who play the lottery in San Diego are as least as stupid as those who play the lottery in the UK, but probably more stupid.

He is tiresome and predictable.

Asher
23-01-2009, 15:07:12
If that were true, you'd have no reason to remove me from your ignore list as you'd know what I would say.

So are you stupid or do you love me? I guess these are not mutually exclusive.

Funko
23-01-2009, 15:25:14
Just the opposite.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
23-01-2009, 15:26:49
jesjes

protein
23-01-2009, 15:27:59
why don't we just agree that team mentality and crowds will inevitably breed violence. no matter what country or game.

i'm sure if you asked a bunch of buddhists and greenpeace activists to shout abuse each other for two hours in a stadium and then released them into the streets, some of them will start hurting each other.

Funko
23-01-2009, 15:30:23
I think some people will use sport as an excuse for violence and some people won't. No matter what the sport or country.

Which is basically what you said... but I don't think your more mellow buddhists would be incited to violence.

Oerdin
24-01-2009, 06:23:40
I enjoyed watching the video of the riot at the Australian open. Who knew tennis fans were hooligans?

Asher
24-01-2009, 06:24:07
I did.

Oerdin
24-01-2009, 06:28:13
The preppy outfits fooled me. You don't really expect middle aged cardigan wearing preppy white dudes to suddenly start beating each other with chairs. It was great.