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Provost Harrison
13-01-2009, 13:35:57
I am sure he won't mind me posting this here but I would like to extend my congratulations to Iaiaiaiain...he has been selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate for his home seat, Worthless and Eccles cakes or something...

Just to think, we may soon have a gay twat with power :nervous: Now there's food for thought.

Speaking of food...mmmm...time for lunch :D

Funko
13-01-2009, 13:42:56
This one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eccles_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

Doesn't seem like he's got much hope of winning.

Provost Harrison
13-01-2009, 13:44:27
Apparently they've changed the boundaries to take in part of Worsley (affluent area) so actually with a decent swing, he'll win it :eek: ;)

I think he said something like a 10% swing, maybe a bit more...

Funko
13-01-2009, 13:45:15
He'd better get down the driving range.

Provost Harrison
13-01-2009, 13:47:05
*groan* :p

Funko
13-01-2009, 13:48:06
That's a better reaction than it deserved.

*End Is Forever*
13-01-2009, 14:15:50
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/worsleyandecclessouth

Funko
13-01-2009, 14:16:47
Notional 2005 report is what they speculate would have happened with the new boundaries?

*End Is Forever*
13-01-2009, 14:19:32
Yes... unless that's a 100-0 attempt, in which case, own goal. :)

There are three sets of notional figures bandying about, the Wells figures from UK Polling report, the Baxter figures from Electoral Calculus, and Rallings & Thrasher notionals which are the "official" ones and will be the numbers you see on Election Night. They are all educated guesses though and we'll never know which were more accurate.

Funko
13-01-2009, 14:22:55
Yeah, I was confused because they also list the actual 2005 result which presumably there wasn't 'cause it's got new boundaries.

So you'd need a swing of over 11%? Still sounds tough to me.

Scabrous Birdseed
13-01-2009, 14:25:21
I've not checked up on UK politics for ages, but if neither Labour nor the Conservatives were to gain an outright national majority (which seems quite possible according to the polling I checked) who are the Lib Dems going to support? Or doesn't it work that way in the UK?

Oerdin
13-01-2009, 14:33:16
If elected he could divert official funds to help pay for Counterglow 2.0. Just call it "The Internet Modernization & Competitiveness Act of 2009" or something. ;)

Dyl Ulenspiegel
13-01-2009, 14:37:53
Counterglow needs a bailout? :eek:

Greg W
13-01-2009, 14:39:45
It's fun to stay at the IMCA!

Venom
13-01-2009, 14:58:16
Let the bribery and illegal campaign contributions begin!

*End Is Forever*
13-01-2009, 15:13:28
Originally posted by Funko
Yeah, I was confused because they also list the actual 2005 result which presumably there wasn't 'cause it's got new boundaries.

So you'd need a swing of over 11%? Still sounds tough to me.

The "actual" result is for the seat which corresponds mostly closely to the new seat, in this case the Worsley constituency. In a lot of seats the boundary changes have been minor or there have been no changes at all, but the new W&ES seat contains about 60% of the old Worsley seat, so quite a change.

It's a big swing and a big challenge but it can be done. We were 12% ahead of Labour across the constituency at the last set of local elections.

Oerdin
13-01-2009, 15:21:12
The real question is why haven't you linked to your campaign website yet? Don't you have one?

Provost Harrison
13-01-2009, 15:36:36
Bloody hell, give him chance, he was only selected at the end of last week...although he does have other political sites that he maintains...I'll let him link to them though - I can't remember :lol:

Funko
13-01-2009, 16:05:28
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
I've not checked up on UK politics for ages, but if neither Labour nor the Conservatives were to gain an outright national majority (which seems quite possible according to the polling I checked) who are the Lib Dems going to support? Or doesn't it work that way in the UK?

This is basically the Lib Dem dream, that they get to force a co-allition government who'll push through electoral reform to give them Proportional Representation. They aren't declaring who they'll support, don't want to weaken any deal they might be able to negotiate if it happens.

Scabrous Birdseed
13-01-2009, 16:58:43
Is that likely to happen? My conversations with Noisy on here makes it seem as if you people are rather fond of your first-past-the-post system.

Funko
13-01-2009, 17:17:36
I honestly don't know. There are plenty of very good arguments for and against it. A sample size of 1 probably isn't a great guide of british public opinion on the subject.

Lib Dems are obviously mainly in favour of PR because it will benefit them massively, other parties not so keen because it benefits the Lib Dems massively but if that was the bargain one of the parties had to make to form a government they might be prepared to bend on it. Dunno.

MOBIUS
13-01-2009, 20:19:37
Originally posted by Funko
Lib Dems are obviously mainly in favour of PR because it will benefit them massively, other parties not so keen because it benefits the Lib Dems massively but if that was the bargain one of the parties had to make to form a government they might be prepared to bend on it. Dunno.

Not to mention it is actually a democratic way of voting...;)

Dyl Ulenspiegel
13-01-2009, 20:25:30
My preferred system would be single constituency with 2nd round runoff.

MOBIUS
13-01-2009, 20:25:40
Originally posted by Oerdin
The real question is why haven't you linked to your campaign website yet? Don't you have one?

This guy (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/welsh-politics/welsh-politics-news/2009/01/13/nick-bourne-in-new-storm-over-expense-claim-91466-22677843/) could probably give you a bit of healthy advice, Iain... ;)

Good luck mate, if a Tory is going to get elected in this seat, I can think of far worse than you.:beer:

Oerdin
13-01-2009, 23:54:19
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
Counterglow needs a bailout? :eek:

Everyone else is getting one so why not CG? Or if EIF wusses out then we can always ask Paulson to cover it under the TARP. ;)

*End Is Forever*
14-01-2009, 00:18:25
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
My preferred system would be single constituency with 2nd round runoff.

That's even less proportionate than FPTP.

Funko
14-01-2009, 08:52:03
Originally posted by MOBIUS
Not to mention it is actually a democratic way of voting...;)

Have you heard the views of the average member of the british public though?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
14-01-2009, 09:08:03
Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
That's even less proportionate than FPTP.

Depends on the party structure and voter preference.

protein
14-01-2009, 10:56:20
Originally posted by Funko
Have you heard the views of the average member of the british public though?
i lost a huge amount of respect for my country the other night. i got back from work and switched the telly on and watched some of Most Haunted Live.

Funko
14-01-2009, 10:57:46
I've never watched that. Sounds horrendous though.

protein
14-01-2009, 11:11:42
its worth watching just for giggles. it's like a cross between a church service, jeremy kyle, american wrestling and a telethon. you will end up hating humanity a little bit more afterwards.

Funko
14-01-2009, 11:13:10
I did hear that in a recent episode they got nailed into coffins. Was that the one you saw?

Resource Consumer
14-01-2009, 11:40:41
congrats Iain

Noisy
14-01-2009, 19:12:09
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
My conversations with Noisy on here makes it seem as if you people are rather fond of your first-past-the-post system.

Originally posted by Funko
A sample size of 1 probably isn't a great guide of british public opinion on the subject.

Should I resent that? Do I care? What conversation? Who am I again?

Funko
15-01-2009, 09:15:38
Sorry Noisy, no offence meant. I see how it might have come across as "don't judge public opinion by what one internet nutter says" :o That wasn't what I meant.

I don't honestly know whether most people really care about our electoral system or not, although there are people that really like it and people that really don't like it, I suspect most people don't give a shit either way.

I don't see it as an issue like keeping the pound or the queen that the masses really care about that much (even if individuals do).

MOBIUS
15-01-2009, 09:44:18
Well, the Tories are also adversely affected by FPP compared to labour, though not as catastrophically as the Lib Dems. Their solutions include boundary changes (such as Iain's seat) and the reduction of MPs - specifically in Wales as far as I can tell. Obviously their proposals benefit their chances.

Both the main parties are absolutely terrified of PR because it would destroy their grip on power, which I suppose is understandable really from their POV, even if it is undemocratic.

Funko
15-01-2009, 10:03:15
On the other hand you do get to vote for a specific individual to represent you in parliament. Even if in practice this doesn't really give you much of a choice.