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protein
07-12-2008, 15:07:42
this is actually the most important subject in the world for me at the moment as we're in the middle of writing our second album.

so far we aren't resting on our laurels and it's quite different from the first but that tends to play on your mind when so much is at stake.

is it going to be our "The Bends" or our "Peasants, Pigs & Astronauts". ie. is this the beginning or the end of my career in the music business?

what are your favorite second albums and what makes them different from the first?

Vincent
07-12-2008, 18:29:01
Back To 78 and the difference is that it's much better than the first album.

Lazarus and the Gimp
07-12-2008, 18:46:57
"Everyone knows this is nowhere"- Neil Young
"Transformer"- Lou Reed
"Loveless"- My Bloody Valentine
"Spiderland"- Slint
"The perfect prescription"- Spacemen 3
"Free your mind and your ass will follow"- Funkadelic
"Soundtracks"- Can
"Unholy"- Martin Grech
"Surfer Rosa"- Pixies
"You're living all over me"- Dinosaur Jr
"Horse Rotorvator"- Coil
"Dogs blood rising"- Current 93

Scabrous Birdseed
07-12-2008, 19:45:32
I would have thought Astral Weeks would have been in your list, Laz. Classic "changing sound completely and getting away with it" second album, very few great ones of those around.

See, I'm having a difficult time with this one generally because my album-listening period is a distance behind me. One I can immediately think of is "The Temptations Sing Smokey" - they switched lead singers to the brilliant David Ruffin, got rid of the Vestigal doo-wop sound, and had one songwriter pen a sonically connected series of tracks. The resulting album is much tighter than their first effort.

Emmylou Harris's brilliant second album "Pieces of the Sky" came out six years after her first and is radically different, with a huge overwhelming change of direction in the intervening years. Not sure if that counts, actually.

"Rocket to Russia" by The Ramones is basically a consolidation of their successful sound. As is Amerie's "Touch". Er... I'm running out here. Albums is not my strong point.

protein
07-12-2008, 19:46:56
thanks. :)

Scabrous Birdseed
07-12-2008, 21:56:26
A bit closer to home (litterally for me and I guess metaphorically for you guys in some respects), The Knife's second album "Deep Cuts" is good as well, but then it was their larger commercial breakthrough and the one where they really gelled as a sound.

Talking about that, not all people break through with their debuts like you guys did. I think perhaps an equally interesting question would be: how do you follow up a really really successful album? The Knife's third album is more interesting in that sense, and indeed better.

Funko
08-12-2008, 09:41:24
Lots of grunge bands I liked did great second albums.

Alice In Chains - Dirt

Darker than Facelift, and more coherent. Almost a concept album feel to it.

Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
Gish was good, but this was amazing.

And of course Nevermind.

Others...

Axis Bold as Love - Jimi Hendrix
Are you experienced was great but this just really rocks.

Led Zepplin II, same kind of idea but just better in pretty much every way than Led Zep I.

King_Ghidra
08-12-2008, 11:17:07
blur, pulp and suede all had good/great/remarkable second albums. i have no doubt some will disagree with me vehemently on at least one of those.

Muse

Walrus Feeder
09-12-2008, 00:44:51
Toxicity - System Of A Down
Dookie - Green Day
Odelay - Beck

Greg W
09-12-2008, 12:37:53
Was going to say Led Zep II, Nevermind and Dookie...

If I could go to a third album, Slippery When Wet by Bon Jovi...

T.N.T. by AC/DC would be way up there...

self biased
10-12-2008, 01:16:40
what about a little album titled 'the rise and fall of ziggy stardust?' or even metallica's 'ride the lightning?'

Lazarus and the Gimp
10-12-2008, 06:34:55
"Ziggy" was Bowie's 5th album.

self biased
10-12-2008, 22:49:41
oh? i thought it was oddity, then ziggy.

Lazarus and the Gimp
11-12-2008, 06:38:51
Studio albums
David Bowie (1967)
Space Oddity (1969)
The Man Who Sold the World (1970)
Hunky Dory (1971)
The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars (1972)

Mr. Bas
11-12-2008, 12:38:55
Have to agree with many albums suggested here: Nevermind, Ride the Lightning, Dirt, Loveless, Spiderland, You're living all over me.

Some others which fit the bill are:

Sehnsucht - Rammstein. Far more consistent than Herzeleid was, no weak tracks, although Engel starts to annoy a bit after a while.
Rated R - QOTSA. Lightyears ahead of their debut.
Into the woods - Malcolm Middleton. Average debut, brilliant follow-up.
...And out come the wolves - Rancid. Or is it their third?
Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk - Emperor. Although black metal purists might disagree, it's far more interesting than In the nightside eclipse.
A Blaze in the Northern Sky - Darkthrone. Possibly my favourite black metal album ever, and vastly superior to the average death metal on Soulside journey.

Walrus Feeder
13-12-2008, 15:08:05
Antics by Interpol has to be included i think. It's a much better listen than the more recent 'Our Love To Admire,' too, i feel.

Bob
17-12-2008, 08:56:05
and of course DIOYY's second album.

Otherwise you'll be banned and you gotta go to another forum

Fergus & The Brazen Car
22-12-2008, 17:18:07
Roxy Music: For Your Pleasure

Talking Heads: More Songs About Buildings And Food

Suicide: Suicide

Pentangle: Sweet Child

*End Is Forever*
22-12-2008, 19:51:57
Originally posted by Walrus Feeder
Toxicity - System Of A Down
Dookie - Green Day
Odelay - Beck

Dookie was Green Day's third album.

Debaser
22-12-2008, 20:06:41
Odelay was Beck's fourth.

I don't think Walrus Feeder poster should be allowed to play this game.

Caligastia
23-12-2008, 03:42:33
Metallica's second album "Ride the Lightning" was way better than their first.

jsorense
24-02-2009, 07:23:11
Originally posted by Fergus & The Brazen Car
Roxy Music: For Your Pleasure

Talking Heads: More Songs About Buildings And Food

YES!:bounce:

Provost Harrison
20-03-2009, 14:04:38
Originally posted by Mr. Bas
...And out come the wolves - Rancid. Or is it their third?

It's their third...