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Asher
01-12-2008, 20:22:33
And it's a centrist-socialist-separatist coalition. One month after the Conservatives increase their mandate to a near-majority, the other parties all team up to try to nab power because the Canadian public did not vote them into power, and they want it anyway.

What a fucked up country.

Buddy Odor
01-12-2008, 20:53:52
:eek: :gasmaske: :o :sleep: :gotit:

Immortal Wombat
01-12-2008, 21:14:59
throw teddy bears at them

Asher
01-12-2008, 23:55:24
Can't reach to Ottawa

KrazyHorse
02-12-2008, 04:41:03
Originally posted by Asher
And it's a centrist-socialist-separatist coalition. One month after the Conservatives increase their mandate to a near-majority, the other parties all team up to try to nab power because the Canadian public did not vote them into power, and they want it anyway.

What a fucked up country.

Asher, this is just silly. Canadians vote for MPs, not parties. They elected this Commons. The way that Commons chooses to organize the government is up to the Commons.

:)

Asher
02-12-2008, 06:01:21
Technically they do, realistically they don't.

That's why we watch the Leader Debates and don't watch our local candidates at their townhalls.

KrazyHorse
02-12-2008, 06:30:41
Realistically they do, Asher.

The Commons has the responsibility to continue governing for as long as is feasible. If they can't govern then we go to the polls again.

The Conservatives have had their chance at governing. It appears that the members of the other 3 parties didn't appreciate the power play being made by Harper and so they've decided to gang up on the Conservatives. That is their prerogative as MPs in our system.

Funko
02-12-2008, 09:09:04
was was

Asher
02-12-2008, 14:51:36
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Realistically they do, Asher.

But they don't. People in Canada, in reality, vote for the local candidate virtually as a proxy for the leader of the party. Almost like the electoral college.

Very few give a shit about their local MP or what their stance is, mainly because 99% of the time their stance is what the leader dictates.

Asher
02-12-2008, 14:56:57
I'm upset because in practical terms, this feels very much like we just held a race, the conservatives won, but then after the race was won the other competitors band together to beat the winner down and then proclaim everyone else the winner.

I understand what is going on is perfectly legal in Canada's really fucked up governmental system, inherited from the very fucked up UK system, but I've got major, major problems with it.

The TSX had its worst day since what, 1988? The economy is already on edge and the Liberals are seeing to it that it really does tank with this bullshit.

MDA
02-12-2008, 15:18:37
If you've got major, major problems with it, I guess you could either emigrate somewhere with a better government (slim pickings) or run for office and try to change things from the inside.

As an alternative, you could bash Canada on the internet. Its not uncommon, and almost as much fun as bashing George W.

Asher
02-12-2008, 15:27:58
My SO graduates in May and we are definitely moving then. The question is where.

I'm a dual US/Canadian citizen, the original plan was to move to Calgary but given the current oil prices and given that the probable new Federal leaders want to:
- Screw Alberta because it's Not Quebec (Duceppe)
- Screw Alberta by closing the oil sands (Layton)
- Screw Alberta by hamstringing already halting growth in the energy sector (Dion)
I am re-evaluating. I'm also extremely pissed off this kind of shit is even possible in the government of a western nation, it's decidedly bushleague.

It'd be pretty trivial to get jobs in the Seattle/Redmond or Bay Areas, and I did enjoy the Bay Area when I used to live there. Might be better off out there.

MDA
02-12-2008, 15:42:24
I hear San Diego is beautiful.

Lurker the Second
02-12-2008, 16:21:42
:lol:

Funko
02-12-2008, 16:26:59
Europe sucks, we have no decent sports and all our cars are shit, you'd hate it.

Asher
02-12-2008, 16:30:22
Europe is never an option, I'm not stupid.

Nor is San Diego. Fuck you for even suggesting it. I'm this close to killing myself, and wouldn't you look stupid on the news egging me on by suggesting San Diego!~!!@! :mad: :jesuscry:

Funko
02-12-2008, 16:30:58
Phew.

Oerdin
02-12-2008, 16:40:23
Originally posted by Funko
Europe sucks, we have no decent sports and all our cars are shit, you'd hate it.

I'm positive he'd hate San Diego too. In fact he'd hate the entire state of California. Best to not come here. :cute:

Oerdin
02-12-2008, 16:42:38
The Danes should take advantage of Canada's political instability to seize Hans Island.

Asher
02-12-2008, 16:48:37
They have their own political instability. Greenland voted for independence, which means the Danes can no longer claim Hans to be theirs.

Asher
02-12-2008, 16:49:42
Now that you mention this, this might be espionage.

Harper's conservatives were spending lots of money on the military to defend "arctic sovereignty", which includes naval vessels to patrol the area around Hans. Maybe the Danes are behind this coup d'etat.

:mad:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
02-12-2008, 16:52:56
The danish inquisition!

The Mad Monk
02-12-2008, 17:20:40
Cheese or blackberry?

protein
02-12-2008, 17:26:24
i thought canada did everything better than the rest of the world?

Asher
02-12-2008, 17:38:57
Only hockey and sex. Really, the pillars of life.

And beer.

protein
02-12-2008, 17:41:53
i've been to an awful lot of places recently and i can't say that i came away from canada thinking that the beer was great. it was unremarkable compared to mainland europe.

i'm sure the gay sex is right up there with germany though.

Sir Penguin
02-12-2008, 17:59:32
I guess what we learn from this is that when you have a minority government, it's a bad idea to propose dumb legislation just to piss off the opposition.

SP

Oerdin
02-12-2008, 18:44:35
But it is very entertaining when it happens.

JM^3
02-12-2008, 18:58:39
If the opposition all hate the conservative policies so much to work together to put them out, then you have two parties: the conservatives and everyone else.

JM

MDA
02-12-2008, 19:32:34
Originally posted by Asher
Only hockey and sex. Really, the pillars of life.

And beer.

I think I might be Canadian.

:lol: @ MM

Asher
02-12-2008, 21:23:42
Originally posted by protein
i've been to an awful lot of places recently and i can't say that i came away from canada thinking that the beer was great. it was unremarkable compared to mainland europe.

What beers did you have?

Asher
02-12-2008, 21:24:08
Originally posted by MDA
I think I might be Canadian.

:lol: @ MM

Do you follow teh icehockey?

protein
02-12-2008, 21:28:13
Originally posted by Asher
What beers did you have?
god knows. i remember them saying it was local but all i remember is switching to cocktails after two of them.

i'm sure canada has some good beers.

mr_B
02-12-2008, 21:36:38
Originally posted by Asher
I'm this close to killing myself :bounce:

MOBIUS
02-12-2008, 22:12:24
Originally posted by Asher
Europe is never an option, I'm not stupid.

Nor is San Diego. Fuck you for even suggesting it. I'm this close to killing myself, and wouldn't you look stupid on the news egging me on by suggesting San Diego!~!!@! :mad: :jesuscry:

:lol:

And Wales is in Europe, so you wouldn't like Cardiff either...

Asher
02-12-2008, 23:59:49
Originally posted by protein
god knows. i remember them saying it was local but all i remember is switching to cocktails after two of them.

i'm sure canada has some good beers.
local as in Ontario?

HAH.

The only good thing that's come out of Ontario is the giant phallus they've erected downtown in Toronto.

KrazyHorse
03-12-2008, 05:19:10
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
I guess what we learn from this is that when you have a minority government, it's a bad idea to propose dumb legislation just to piss off the opposition.

SP

Indeed. It is an object lesson in the supremacy of the Commons.

Asher
03-12-2008, 05:28:53
The tapes indicate they've been working on this coalition long before they actually got pissed off. It was a convenient excuse.

One that no longer exists, as it happens.

Their new excuse is Harper isn't spending billions on an economy that is not in a recession.

KrazyHorse
03-12-2008, 05:31:16
It was a convenient excuse.

And? It is in the power of the Commons. When they go back to the electorate we will see what the verdict is.

KrazyHorse
03-12-2008, 05:34:54
Their new excuse is Harper isn't spending billions on an economy that is not in a recession.

I hope I've made my stance on this abundantly clear. I have no wish to see the GoC throw money away. In the current situation, Harper is far and away my first choice. But I am unwilling to make a radical break with hundreds of years of parliamentary tradition in order to avoid an 18 month Dion/Ignatieff(?) government.

Asher
03-12-2008, 05:40:58
http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=51442165364&ref=nf

join it bitch!

KrazyHorse
03-12-2008, 05:46:32
No. I find this amusing.

Asher
03-12-2008, 05:49:44
The comments it'll attract on your facebook feed by others will be more amusing.

I can't wait to see my gay friends (hardcore NDP / Liberal guys usually) respond.