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Asher
14-08-2008, 19:06:45
I AM SO FUCKING PISSED OFF ABOUT THE CHINESE GIRLY GYMNASTICS TEAM!

They're underrage! LOTS OF PROOF!

But I thought the Chinese Government and the sport of gymnastics and the IOC were respectable! My faith in the world has been lost.

I AM LEAVING FOREVER.

TCO
14-08-2008, 19:22:10
I'm over it. Already got it out of my system before they competed. Now, I'm just kudos to the Sinos. Seriously. Kudos to them.

Bob
14-08-2008, 19:43:55
You are just a bunch of pathetic Tibet lovers.

And gymnastics lovers too.

Asher
14-08-2008, 20:04:54
Who are Sinos?

TCO
14-08-2008, 20:37:59
PRC.

Umm...seguing. Could you tell me how to get back onto a message board that I really liked...and I think they hated but liked me...sort of pet troll...but I went too far...umm...and I don't want to crawl...don't really disagree with my punishment...but still don't want to crawl. Could you resolve that for me, with your extensive experience in leaving forever?

JM^3
14-08-2008, 20:42:02
You want asher to get back onto the gymnast board for you?

JM

TCO
14-08-2008, 21:21:39
No.

JM^3
14-08-2008, 21:50:39
But you were saying how great it was?

And trolling it, and got banned from it?

And you said it was really gay.

JM

*End Is Forever*
14-08-2008, 21:53:30
How does Asher have proof that they are underage...?

Shining1
15-08-2008, 01:20:02
Technically, "taking one look" at the chinese gymnasts is almost all the proof you need that they're underage.

Oerdin
15-08-2008, 03:35:39
Originally posted by Asher
Who are Sinos?

They're like winos.

Asher
15-08-2008, 03:39:36
Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
How does Asher have proof that they are underage...?

Google a bit.

It's all over.

There's documents from the Chinese gymnastics association from previous tournaments that identify one of their birthdates as Jan 1, 1994. The new documents show it as Jan 1, 1992.

There's google caches of the Chinese state media's articles from the past few years which identify the same gymnast as being two years younger than claimed.

Bob
15-08-2008, 06:41:11
That's shocking news

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-08-2008, 06:42:44
Pfft. Olga Korbut was 15 in '72. Nadia Comaneci was 14 in '76. The age limits are a bit of a joke.

Drekkus
15-08-2008, 07:29:07
LEAVE HE KEXIN ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!111!

TCO
15-08-2008, 08:48:14
Now I'm bummed that Nastia beat Shawn. Hate all those people who want artsiness. Shawn does big tricks. Nastia doesn't even have a double back. Total code whore. Kudos to her for not falling though...

King_Ghidra
15-08-2008, 10:20:20
all i see is jailbait when i watch this stuff. those little russian sluts. good lord.

LoD
15-08-2008, 12:59:43
:eek: @ K_G

http://www.sheldoncomics.com/strips/sd080815.gif

Asher
15-08-2008, 13:20:16
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Pfft. Olga Korbut was 15 in '72. Nadia Comaneci was 14 in '76. The age limits are a bit of a joke.

14 and 15 were legal ages in the 1970s (min. age was 14). This was upped to 16.

The limits are not a joke, they weren't then either -- they were abided by. No one sent 12 year old gymnasts in the 70s.

Bob
15-08-2008, 14:19:49
That hurts

Funko
15-08-2008, 14:55:23
Does Canada have a gymnast or something?

Asher
15-08-2008, 14:56:30
We do, but they're terrible and not competitive. Best ever in the women's allaround was 15th, which was from the 1984 Olympics I think.

I just don't like cheating...

TCO
15-08-2008, 15:24:40
Kyle Shewfelt and Brandon O'neill from CA are both very good. Both injury probs though.

Asher
15-08-2008, 15:31:26
The men are much better.

I've met most of the men's gymnastics team many times, they went to my university and my university gym.

Shewfelt broke both of his knees 11 months ago and he's 26 now, so he's done.

The women are just hopeless.

Nathan Gafuik is really cute though. He's got Addison's disease (body doesn't produce adrenalin) which is a bit of a challenge, but he's still decent.

Asher
15-08-2008, 15:32:56
Kyle Shewfelt started a blog right after his injury a year ago and regularly updates it still from Beijing. It's pretty interesting: http://kyleshewfelt.blogspot.com/

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-08-2008, 16:28:30
Originally posted by Asher
14 and 15 were legal ages in the 1970s (min. age was 14). This was upped to 16.

The limits are not a joke, they weren't then either -- they were abided by. No one sent 12 year old gymnasts in the 70s.

I realise that- I was mocking the minimum age ruling.

If the kids are good enough- let them do it.

Asher
15-08-2008, 16:29:55
There's some distinct advantages to being 14 in women's gymnastics, mostly relating to centre of gravity.

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-08-2008, 16:41:52
Excellent. It's like being a big beefy bastard is good for shot putt.

Asher
15-08-2008, 16:47:01
Except it's not, because anyone given enough effort can become a beefy bastard but it is not reasonable for gymnasts to prevent puberty.

LoD
15-08-2008, 17:57:55
Funnily enough, our first gold medal this Olympics is for short putt :D. Rest assured, however, that the guy looks like he's over 16:

http://m.onet.pl/_m/667126b692fe7955a815401a4e68e195,5,1.jpg

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-08-2008, 19:43:19
Originally posted by Asher
Except it's not, because anyone given enough effort can become a beefy bastard but it is not reasonable for gymnasts to prevent puberty.


Hardly. Nadia Comaneci could pump all the iron she likes, but she'd never throw as far as Geoff Capes. In any event, those old gymnasts seem to be able to squeeze out kids these days.

Drekkus
15-08-2008, 20:53:39
Originally posted by LoD
Funnily enough, our first gold medal this Olympics is for short putt :D. Rest assured, however, that the guy looks like he's over 16:

http://m.onet.pl/_m/667126b692fe7955a815401a4e68e195,5,1.jpg Is short putt the sport where you throw Mr_B as far away as possible?

LoD
15-08-2008, 21:02:12
A comparable mass at least, from what I gathered...

Asher
15-08-2008, 23:51:53
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Hardly. Nadia Comaneci could pump all the iron she likes, but she'd never throw as far as Geoff Capes. In any event, those old gymnasts seem to be able to squeeze out kids these days.

That's because she's a woman. Last time I checked they competed in different categories.

TCO
16-08-2008, 04:29:50
I commented on Kyle's blog. Left him best wishes for the upcoming games, "break a leg". :)

Asher
16-08-2008, 04:35:30
You are lying like the Chinese.

TCO
16-08-2008, 04:38:09
I posted on the Hamm guestbook a lot also. Even once on Shawn's.

TCO
16-08-2008, 04:42:06
He moderates the comments, but I got through:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=32187697&postID=2143413827536532787

Asher
16-08-2008, 04:56:45
That's impressive, you knew about the blog even before the Olympics.

You have a thing for men in gymnastics?

TCO
16-08-2008, 05:01:24
I'm straight, Asher.

Asher
16-08-2008, 05:02:01
Sure.

But you're also a big gymnastics fan, clearly. No shame in that, sorta.

TCO
16-08-2008, 05:02:42
:)

Drake Tungsten
16-08-2008, 17:23:15
TCO used to be a submariner. He has an iron will if reading men gymnastics blogs is as gay as he gets.

TCO
16-08-2008, 17:50:02
Gym is not gay. USA got a bronze.

Bob
16-08-2008, 20:04:55
USA! USA! USA!

Oerdin
16-08-2008, 20:07:59
The Olympics bore me.

Bob
16-08-2008, 20:10:24
And then you come HERE?
You find the Olympics boring and come here to read gym is not gay?
Go, there's a whole world to conquer!

Asher
16-08-2008, 20:24:32
Originally posted by Oerdin
The Olympics bore me.

It's just not trendy enough for you.

TCO
16-08-2008, 20:56:16
The Olympics rock.

Sir Penguin
16-08-2008, 23:36:55
I was 14 in 1997.

SP

JM^3
17-08-2008, 00:09:57
I was 14 in 1994.

JM

Shining1
17-08-2008, 06:23:19
I'm in favour of the age limit. Age 12 to age 14 is a really short career for an olympic athlete.

Provost Harrison
17-08-2008, 10:46:15
I was 14 in...erm...1991.

Damn I'm getting old :p

Bob
17-08-2008, 15:24:17
I was 14 before JM was born

Beta1
17-08-2008, 15:49:40
One of my friends might be a gymnastics judge at 2012.

She still looks like she is 12.

Asher
17-08-2008, 17:10:03
Are the judges failed gymnasts?

Beta1
17-08-2008, 17:41:27
Its more like football referees. Most of the judges have competed at a fairly high level but in order to be considered you have to worked your way up from judging local level through regionals and nationals. My friend was at the national level thingys (the competitions to be selected for the national squads - cant think of the right term) but thats way before I knew her. She's done lots of lower level officiating and a few national level. She seems to think she has a fair chance of making the 2012 - they need a hell of a lot of judges/officials for the gymnastics apparently. I never realised but theres way more than just the ones you see that do the scoring.

Drake Tungsten
17-08-2008, 18:26:51
Forget about judges. Where are the English going to find an attractive person with perfect teeth to sing at the Opening Ceremonies?

Asher
17-08-2008, 18:54:31
Leona Lewis

Resource Consumer
18-08-2008, 13:39:07
Let's face it - the olympics is just gay

Asher
18-08-2008, 13:43:56
Especially the summer ones. I've never seen so many 90% naked athletes before.

Asher
18-08-2008, 13:44:58
CNN just profiled the trials and tribulations of an 18 year old male synchro-swimmer who's all upset since only feeeeeee-males can compete in the Olympics. I can trell you that kid is gay enough to count as a woman.

MDA
18-08-2008, 14:19:03
those who can't do, officiate?

Funko
18-08-2008, 14:40:30
Originally posted by Asher
Especially the summer ones. I've never seen so many 90% naked athletes before.

Er... and many of them are women.

MoSe
18-08-2008, 16:03:46
I'll always remeber my 14 summer
my family brought me to ClubMed village
of all the summer months, they picked exactly the two weeks during the Montreal Olympics.
The made me take part or try in all kind of sports and activities, and the beach was full of topless girls.
But one the village principles was: NO TV at all, so I missed those Olympics entirely.
I still hate them.

MDA
18-08-2008, 16:25:49
surely topless girls are better than the olympics?

MoSe
18-08-2008, 16:29:12
hopefully one can see topless girls more often than one fortnight quadriennially

JM^3
18-08-2008, 16:44:31
:(

JM

*End Is Forever*
18-08-2008, 17:05:12
Originally posted by Asher
CNN just profiled the trials and tribulations of an 18 year old male synchro-swimmer who's all upset since only feeeeeee-males can compete in the Olympics. I can trell you that kid is gay enough to count as a woman.

Seems like there are far more events where men can compete but women can't than vice-versa.

TCO
18-08-2008, 21:40:24
Asher: Is it homophobic, if one (not me of course, I'm all liberal and such) were to be mildly offput by effeminate gays, but not really mind the ones who seem to act like normal guys and also cool with the lesbians?

LoD
18-08-2008, 23:01:20
Oleeee Pooooleee.

Is it intolerant if I'm offput by morbidly obese women?

Tolerance is not aesthetics. And appreciation is not requisite to tolerance.

Asher
18-08-2008, 23:14:02
Originally posted by TCO
Asher: Is it homophobic, if one (not me of course, I'm all liberal and such) were to be mildly offput by effeminate gays, but not really mind the ones who seem to act like normal guys and also cool with the lesbians?

No, the flamey guys put me off also.

Even Shewfelt is too flamey for me, and he's supposedly heterosexual.

Shining1
19-08-2008, 00:18:46
As for the topless girls thing, I dunno.

There's something kinda appealing about hot chicks who are never-the-less deadset serious about winning. The giggly playboy thing always comes across as so damn fake anyways, and watching people play a sport they can't actually play is always painful, no matter how naked they are.

At least on T.V. =)

TCO
24-08-2008, 03:18:12
Kind of a funny Shewfelt video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8rXUZAoGXg&feature=email

(I always had the impression that he was effeminite or gay or something. Funny that you think so, too, Ash. Didn't want to offend him though. He did post recently on his blog that his gf broke up with him.

Gymnasts have enough of a hard time dealing with people calling it gay. US men's team that got the bronze comes accross as very hetero though.

Here's another Albertan with a lot of Shewfelt comments on his blog:

http://www.gymnasticscoaching.com/index.php?s=shewfelt

TCO
24-08-2008, 03:19:45
Chinese ages are getting investigated:

http://gymblog.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/better-late-than-never/

Asher
24-08-2008, 03:30:49
Originally posted by TCO
Kind of a funny Shewfelt video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8rXUZAoGXg&feature=email

(I always had the impression that he was effeminite or gay or something. Funny that you think so, too, Ash. Didn't want to offend him though. He did post recently on his blog that his gf broke up with him.

Gymnasts have enough of a hard time dealing with people calling it gay. US men's team that got the bronze comes accross as very hetero though.

Here's another Albertan with a lot of Shewfelt comments on his blog:

http://www.gymnasticscoaching.com/index.php?s=shewfelt

I've heard through various grapevines that Shewfelt has experimented, at the very least, with men. My SO was a gymnast as a child (til 12 or so, IIRC) at the Calgary Gymnastics Centre, and Shewfelt was a staple there and a standout even as a kid. My partner-in-crime at my hockey blog, Leanne, went to school with him and his brothers. She doesn't know Kyle but she was in classes with one of his brothers, who is apparently a class A douche -- don't know if Kyle is but I'd doubt it given his blog.

Anyway, the Calgary gay community isn't that large and there's been quite a few rumoured sightings of Kyle at one of the local gay bars. You never know.

By the way, Rick Mercer (from that video) is definitely gay and out. That video was taken at the UofC gym that I went to for 5 years, where I also met one of the Canadian gymnasts a few times (Grant Golding). Grant is extremely heterosexual-acting. Very butch.

TCO
24-08-2008, 03:51:11
Some cool FX:

Here's Shewfelt's gold at 2004:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFeMlpAC6v0&feature=related

Dragulescu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORMoIVTtgfw

Jovtchev:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2xaUjoKGVk

Hamm (2003):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUrB95vmi0Q

Hypolito (2005):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMZjQoMPots (note the commenters are Bart Conner 76 and 84 Olympian, and Raj Bhavsar who finally made it to the Olys in 2008.)

Asher
24-08-2008, 03:59:42
BTW, Matthew Mitcham became the first openly gay man to win an Olympic gold today with the highest rated dive in Olympic history (112.4) to narrowly beat out the Chinese and prevent a Chinese sweep.

Also w.r.t. gymnasts..

http://www.outsports.com/difference/triche.htm

Excerpt perhaps most interesting to TCO:

Perception vs. Reality

Are many gymnasts gay? Not in Brandon's Triche's experience. He's found more on the baseball diamond.

The public perception of male gymnasts as more likely to be gay arises, Triche said, ``because any time a male's wearing a leotard they think `feminine.' I knew a lot more gays when I was playing baseball (in high school and one year at Abilene Christian University).''

The result, he said, is that among straight gymnasts in the locker room ``there's so much chick talk because they're afraid they might be perceived as being gay.''

This ultra-macho posturing even extends to the gymnasts who are gay, he said. ``A lot of people who are gay pass themselves off as straight.''

There are probably no more gay males in gymnastics than in the general population, in Triche's estimation.

TCO
24-08-2008, 04:08:15
General men's gymnastics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m-_2fEp62s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5AaDBE8H7A&NR=1

TCO
24-08-2008, 04:13:00
Originally posted by Asher
I've heard through various grapevines...

I guess there are not that many people in Alberta. That or you are just plugged in.

TCO
24-08-2008, 04:21:47
Originally posted by Asher

Also w.r.t. gymnasts..

http://www.outsports.com/difference/triche.htm

Excerpt perhaps most interesting to TCO:

Rick at GC has posted on Triche and others. My experience is that gym has a pretty small population. Not like broadway or something...but maybe a little more than normal life. Definitely more hetero than skating.

20 years ago was more of a social taboo on homosexuality (and obviously it gets you kicked out of the military also). So not that much "outness".

The image of gym as gay is not helpful given how much the sport is dying because of Title IX anyway. Wearing the singlet is kind of irrelevant as I did that in wrestling as well as gym. And wrestling's pretty macho.

See here: http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=5920

Asher
24-08-2008, 05:18:02
Originally posted by TCO
I guess there are not that many people in Alberta. That or you are just plugged in.
There's a million people or so in Calgary. About half that when I was born. It's a more conservative city than most in Canada so its gay community is a bit smaller than most cities of its size. It's pretty interconnected.

For instance, we all knew that Dave Moffatt (a member of a family boyband from years back) was gay since he was seen at a bunch of gay bars -- years before it was in the press...

In terms of other connections, Shewfelt is around my and my friends/SO's age. He's also from the same region of the city, which means the same schools...and there's only the one gymnastics school in the city as well, though it is prolific...

Asher
24-08-2008, 05:20:11
You seem to be a quasi-celebrity in the online gymnastics circuit, TCO.

Why so interested?

TCO
24-08-2008, 05:24:03
it's fascinating. the sport itself. and how much easier to learn and follow a subject like thios in the intenret age as opposed to before.

Lazarus and the Gimp
24-08-2008, 07:50:30
Originally posted by Asher
BTW, Matthew Mitcham became the first openly gay man to win an Olympic gold today with the highest rated dive in Olympic history



Is being a diver openly gay in itself?

Asher
24-08-2008, 20:43:43
Look at these straight gymnasts

http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/20/hambuechen_horton.jpg

JM^3
24-08-2008, 21:05:35
I don't necessarily see anything gay there.

JM

Asher
24-08-2008, 21:30:01
I'm sure they hooked up after.

It's a German and American.

TCO
24-08-2008, 23:08:04
People have been mildly making fun of that picture already, Asher. Both Jon and Fabi have gfs. They also come across as straight in their mannerisms. I think the picture just got taken at the wrong moment as they went for a hug.

This guy on the other hand...

http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=3220

Asher
24-08-2008, 23:11:43
Figures that he's greek.

I still think that picture above is adorable.

TCO
24-08-2008, 23:13:19
Here's Jon Horton doing an incredible connected release series (for the hell of it), harder than what he threw together to win the silver:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2kALIbSYTU&feature=related

And here's him biting it next turn, trying to do something even harder:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXpYkujBb5A

TCO
24-08-2008, 23:14:48
Originally posted by Asher
Figures that he's greek.

I still think that picture above is adorable.

It's funny agreed. I think Rawles or Difficulty and Execution were going to do a caption contest with it.

Asher
24-08-2008, 23:24:33
That look like it hurt like a bitch.

TCO
24-08-2008, 23:28:55
He broke his nose.

TCO
24-08-2008, 23:32:27
Awesome connected tumbling video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2tA8QCg6Yo

And releases and dismounts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XcdMpKsVXs

Asher
24-08-2008, 23:46:30
I want more crashes

TCO
24-08-2008, 23:51:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjNre1yI668

Asher
24-08-2008, 23:55:12
Notice how they're all women. So terrible.

TCO
24-08-2008, 23:56:48
Women's gym is more popular and there are more videos to sample from.

Asher
24-08-2008, 23:59:53
They just fuck up more. It's how women are.

TCO
25-08-2008, 00:15:12
Shawn Johnson did tricks at the G level (ungodly level) in every one of the four WAG events. And she didn't have a fall all Olys. Nastia had a fall in Prelims. And Shawn went and did 4 events in TF, while Nastia did only 3. She's a stone cold warrior, Shawn is.

http://addicted2gym.blogspot.com/2008/06/shawn-johnson-montage-contest.html

Asher
25-08-2008, 00:23:17
She looks like a bitch.

TCO
25-08-2008, 02:56:50
This one is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3EL9BQ1WbU

They had a clique (Shayla/Sam /Alicia/Nastia) and Shawn and Chelsie and Jana were isolated. Chelsie was an adult, so she didn't really care. But you could see Shawn having to deal with it.

TCO
25-08-2008, 03:29:45
Anyway Shawn is a stone. She does the rock-hardest skills of any girl on the planet. And she falls a lot LESS than Paul Hamm OR Yang Wei (two best male gymnasts on the planet). She also falls a lot less than Nastia, but Nastia really got lucky during AA.

VT: Amanar (Yurchenko 2.5), hardest girl VT and only a few others throw it. BTW, Shewf does this VT also.

UB: double-twisting double layout dismount (no other girls do it)

BB: standing full (only a few do this), full-in dismount (no other girls do this).

FX: Double-twisting double mount (only a few do it), full-in dismount (none do that for a dismount, Fei used to but dropped it as too hard at the end)

http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=0815_hd_gaw_hl_l1663&channelcode=sportga

(note in particular her initial BB series, which is completely connected (other girls tend to have pauses), as well as her double-double on fx which is stuck.)

TCO
25-08-2008, 03:44:04
Shawn's not a bitch. In TF, Shawn was totally sweet after her FX, walked over to Alicia and pushed her over to sit next to her and kept joking until she could get Alicia to smile (after Alicia's meltdown).

She's just kind of a normal kid and the whole thing was so huge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O13ps0-dwuk

(And I still think she got screwed in Olys by the powers that be, that didn't like her "look".)

TCO
25-08-2008, 07:03:38
never mind

TCO
26-08-2008, 04:47:21
Check out Shawn at 1:41-2. She's not a bitch. First thing she did after FX was to squeezenext to Alicia and try to cheer her up.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=gy2h-bj-sd21-081308-102502&channelcode=sportga

King_Ghidra
26-08-2008, 09:54:08
This thread, and TCO's contributions to it, are hall of fame material

Funko
26-08-2008, 09:58:56
Agreed.

TCO
26-08-2008, 22:41:48
Another embarressing picture (scroll down):

http://gymnasticsnstuff.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/best-and-worst-of-the-olympics/


Originally posted by Asher
Look at these straight gymnasts

http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/20/hambuechen_horton.jpg

Asher
26-08-2008, 23:16:09
That other pic isn't nearly as gay.

Though it does demonstrate both men have small penises.

TCO
26-08-2008, 23:52:34
You shouldn't be checking out their wangs. Besides, how can you tell given they are wearing jocks and singlets.

Asher
27-08-2008, 00:05:37
Because other gymnasts have something to show.

And of course I should. This is why HD exists.

TCO
27-08-2008, 00:20:03
Let's talk about why the flamers like WAG more than MAG and Nastia more than Shawn. Insights?

Asher
27-08-2008, 00:23:13
Define WAG and MAG?

Asher
27-08-2008, 00:23:48
WAG = womanly angry gymnast
MAG = manly angry gymnast?

TCO
27-08-2008, 00:30:15
If you are being cute, maybe.

Women's Artistic Gymnastics
Men's Artistic Gymnastics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_gymnastics

Asher
27-08-2008, 00:32:10
Flamers like being lighter on their feet, which is what artistic gymnastics is all about

TCO
27-08-2008, 00:55:26
It's about doing big tricks and the term "artistic" is irrelevant and they piss me off when they refer to it.

Asher
27-08-2008, 00:56:36
Thpin the ribbon, TCO, thpin it!

Asher
27-08-2008, 00:56:57
Pshaw! It's called TWIRLING not spinning! PSHAW.

Asher
28-08-2008, 12:19:31
The downside of gymnastics: http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/486810

TCO
28-08-2008, 22:09:26
http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=6016

Asher
28-08-2008, 23:27:16
I posted the link first, bitch.

TCO
29-08-2008, 02:18:41
I was tagging along.

TCO
29-08-2008, 02:25:14
Here's something new for you, Glonkie:

http://www.makingtheolympics.com/videos/airflare_debut.html

What do you think?

Asher
29-08-2008, 02:46:17
1) I hate Kanye
2) This guy is not cute :(
3) Video is boring?
4) Not as impressive as good breakdancing
5) Dancing to Avril? Come on, they're not even pretending to be straight anymore.

TCO
29-08-2008, 03:09:44
Who's Kayne.

Who cares if he's cute. This is about cool athletics.

Yeah, well...ok...maybe video is not technicolor...but what I find intereating is learning. and seeing how he had to work to learn the move was interesting. Then again I'm a geek.

HE does it pretty clean though. Especially with the flairs and spindled flairs. BTW, the site (http://www.makingtheolympics.com/airflare.html) also has a video of him trying some one handers and such. And of Paul failing to learn it. And there are links to some powerhead Bboyers. I figure you've been on youtube and seen the Koreans and such, too, but if not...

I'm not sure what Avril is. Anhow, Hamms have gfs: http://www.makingtheolympics.com/videos/LaborDayAddy.html
http://www.makingtheolympics.com/videos/jamaica.html

Asher
29-08-2008, 03:19:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyMasVRj4KI

TCO
29-08-2008, 03:33:56
Yeah Junior does some awesome powermoves. I think he has a disabbility or something. Seen a lot of his stuff, but had missed that one (I think). That's a good one.

You like KYS (the End?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sckN1S171Ww (he's capable of a very gymnastical flare...)

Asher
29-08-2008, 04:02:57
I'm not familiar with the scene, I just liked the video

So You Think You Can Dance is pretty good by the way.

TCO
29-08-2008, 04:05:17
How about Parkour? Like it?

General montage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEeqHj3Nj2c


Like watching some David Belle?

commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAMAr8y-Vtw

thoughtful doc
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7181262883122399411&hl=en-AU

chase movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPIw3cv8Zls

TCO
29-08-2008, 04:06:46
Originally posted by Asher
I'm not familiar with the scene, I just liked the video

So You Think You Can Dance is pretty good by the way.

Butters kills the bboys with his tapshoes.

Asher
29-08-2008, 04:08:44
Parkour is very interesting but I don't know a lot about it. I know that a lot of new video games use elements of parkour in them (like Assassin's Creed), which was very fun.

Asher
29-08-2008, 04:23:05
Do you practice gymnastics, parkour, or breakdancing GP?

TCO
29-08-2008, 04:35:10
Jackie Chan is very Parkourish. People have done elements of it for a long time in vaudeville.

Asher
29-08-2008, 04:35:46
Are you speaking in the third person?

TCO
29-08-2008, 04:39:27
Originally posted by Asher
Do you practice gymnastics, parkour, or breakdancing GP?

No. I'm way too fat, old and have bad knees.

I was a walk-on college gymnast, but only practiced not good enough to compete, back in the day.

I messed around a little with backspins and kips and used to do that stuff at clubs or parties with a little booze in me. But haven't done something like that since 1999 with a nurse housemate who dragged me out for some ATL carousing.

Because of the net and blogs and forums and such, I actually have learned more about college gym and rules and the Code and all that, then when I was doing it though. Youtube has become an amazing resource. and google.

TCO
29-08-2008, 04:40:27
Originally posted by Asher
Are you speaking in the third person?

I wish.

TCO
29-08-2008, 04:48:12
Shawn is a 'rat?

http://www.necn.com/category/32/16617

KrazyHorse
29-08-2008, 05:42:49
You were a 2nd string gymnast at the Naval Academy? And then you served on a submarine? And now you're an unmarried middle-aged man?

You are the gayest dude I've ever met.

TCO
29-08-2008, 05:43:43
You need to get around, son.

KrazyHorse
29-08-2008, 05:45:11
No thanks. I don't think I need to "get around". I'll leave that to you, torpedo-hugger.

TCO
29-08-2008, 05:45:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su6KEN7g3wQ&feature=related

Like the comments from 4:15-5:00 especially.

KrazyHorse
29-08-2008, 05:45:58
I bet your plebe nickname was "slip 'n slide"...

TCO
29-08-2008, 05:46:07
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
No thanks. I don't think I need to "get around". I'll leave that to you, torpedo-hugger.

How's school?

KrazyHorse
29-08-2008, 05:47:06
Gymnastics = not a real sport

It's extremely athletic, but does not lend itself well to a competitive venue.

TCO
29-08-2008, 05:48:23
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Gymnastics = not a real sport

It's extremely athletic, but does not lend itself well to a competitive venue.

You lack sufficient frames of reference.

KrazyHorse
29-08-2008, 05:48:47
Originally posted by TCO
How's school?

Trying to finish up. I think 1 more project (2 down, 1 90% done) and I'll be finished. Taking a couple of quant courses as "oh shit" insurance...

KrazyHorse
29-08-2008, 05:49:32
Originally posted by TCO
You lack sufficient frames of reference.

Explain. I have watched enough to see that there is still large subjective variance in scoring.

KrazyHorse
29-08-2008, 05:50:50
BTW, I also think that boxing judging is quite subjective (olympic boxing esp.)

KrazyHorse
29-08-2008, 05:53:32
Wrestling is generally better. Fencing is too fast to follow, but if the electronics works properly then it should be almost perfect. Diving is okay. Better than gymnastics or boxing. Figure skating is even lower...

TCO
29-08-2008, 05:57:52
It's different when you do it. When you understand more of the intricacies. Many sports are like that, in that to appreciate them and judge them knowledge is helpful.

TCO
29-08-2008, 05:59:55
gotta sleep. leading a meeting tommorrow.

TCO
29-08-2008, 06:00:19
good to see you. hope school and suger mom are well.

KrazyHorse
29-08-2008, 06:10:42
Originally posted by TCO
It's different when you do it. When you understand more of the intricacies. Many sports are like that, in that to appreciate them and judge them knowledge is helpful.

I'm basing this on variance in judges scores versus margins of victory.

In gymnastics the margin of victory is often less than the std deviation...

TCO
29-08-2008, 15:49:02
1. You're actually missing the point of the sport with your concentration on the score. That's all you get in news reports. Rather than who did a double twisting double back and the like.

2. I think you're integrating by eye. If not, which scores are you looking at, bla bla, show me the data (and tell me you did it before hand.) Also, it probably doesn't change the tenor of your point, but to get twidgety, it's not std deviation of the scores, but something sorta like SE of the mean (actually, they have an A score which is separate and agreed on...and even appealed to video and higher review and such, plus a B score which has variability, but which has multiple judges, so some benefit of "large numbers", plus removal of high and low scores.)

3. There are a lot of gymnasts being differentiated. If you look at the overall spread of gymnasts in the AA at the Olys, it's obvious that the spread of scores was far more than the in-sample evaluation spread. If you're just looking at female AA gold/silver, the difference was 0.6. That is higher than std deviation of B-scores. If you look at silver/bronze in FX (I think same in AA, just don't recall so won't cite it), the difference was less than a tenth. That's obviously less than the difference of judges. I don't have a huge issue with it though, since the routines were just...close.

4. Go to the FIG site, download the Code of Points and read the sections on how deductions (B score) are taken. There's actually a fair amount of reason and detail there. Does that mean everything is exact and they're going to take out a micrometer and stop the meet for 15 minutes and measure distance to resolve a large step from a small step? No. But I bet you don't have a feel for what specific deductions are and if you did have a feel for it, would be a bit less naively dismissive. The added benefit would be that you would get more out of a deeper understanding into the minutia. For example being able to watch Nastia Liukin and Ivana Hong's double fronts and understand why one is better than the other. Heck, there's even a very textbooky type physics inference to be made.

TCO
29-08-2008, 15:51:15
Also, I think if you really get into looking at this in detail, Kitty, you will see that the new code (post 2004) does much more score spreading than in the past.

KrazyHorse
30-08-2008, 17:02:28
No idea about post-2004. This is from observations on a previous olympics. Either '96 or '00. Can't remember

JM^3
30-08-2008, 17:28:02
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Trying to finish up. I think 1 more project (2 down, 1 90% done) and I'll be finished. Taking a couple of quant courses as "oh shit" insurance...

You might finish before me, current most likely defense date is Feb. I actually have ~90 poorly written pages, but I have to have the complete thesis done by the end of October to graduate this December, and I still have a bit of analysis to finalize (I expect to have it at publishable level by end of October).

Also, I just write pretty slowly, and nuclear physics thesis are long, being 150-400+ pages.

JM

Drake Tungsten
31-08-2008, 23:07:51
Gymnastics = not a real sport

It's extremely athletic, but does not lend itself well to a competitive venue.

QFT

Also, I'm extremely jealous that you guys will be done with school in a few months. I've still got two semesters to go...

Asher
31-08-2008, 23:29:42
I'm done with school already.

Though I had enough sense not to go back for more after my BSc.

JM^3
01-09-2008, 03:20:20
Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
QFT

Also, I'm extremely jealous that you guys will be done with school in a few months. I've still got two semesters to go...

I have been in college for 10 years already, starting my 11th year now.

JM

Asher
01-09-2008, 03:21:17
You remind me of Tom Green from "Road Trip".

JM^3
01-09-2008, 03:22:50
I haven't seen the movie...

He was pretty funny initially, but it was old by the time he came to the US.

JM

Sir Penguin
01-09-2008, 03:26:20
Tom Green's House is probably the saddest show on TV.

SP

JM^3
01-09-2008, 03:38:01
Asher, currently I work (do research), and play video games, and watch anime, and go to the gym, and surf the internet, and play boardgames/MtG (once a week).

Think more some modern super nerd.

JM

Drake Tungsten
01-09-2008, 06:49:52
Though I had enough sense not to go back for more after my BSc.

I got a humanities degree from a third-tier school in undergrad. I didn't have a choice about going back.

edit: Nebraska has apparently moved on up to the first tier since I graduated. Still, humanities degree...

Drekkus
01-09-2008, 07:53:44
Oh, the huge manatee!!!

TCO
28-04-2010, 20:41:26
JUSTICE!

http://www.examiner.com/x-19152-Gymnastics-Examiner~y2010m4d28-China-officially-stripped-of-2000-Olympic-team-bronze-medal-USA-to-be-awarded-team-bronze

Lazarus and the Gimp
29-04-2010, 05:53:13
Wrong Olympics, but glad it provided some consolation.

King_Ghidra
29-04-2010, 09:58:31
:lol:

Always one of my favourite threads.

Drekkus
29-04-2010, 10:46:29
Is TCO still banned from that gymnastics forum? That one cracked me up, being banned from a forum about gymnastics.

TCO
29-04-2010, 18:29:57
I am still banned from there. As well as the other two major forums.

On WWGym, I was pretty notorious...always getting warnings. The straw that broke it was someone accusing me of being a double login. I did the hackneyed Poly thing of agreeing and telling them to disable the other login. the moderators believed me and permanently erased a well established posters entire persona. :nerd:

On International Gymnast, along with preferring Shawn over Nastia, my fault was starting a thread saying that I wanted to father a Mongoloid (idiot) with Sarah Palin.:love:

On Gymnastics Gossip Message Board, they told me I had to agree not to troll (and not make any anti-homosexual comments...:funko:) I would really neeeever do either of those awful things, but since i would not agree ahead of time...

--------Good thing is I have been sober for 8 months, gaining strength and shedding 70 pounds. However, I did still get permanned from Lyle McDonald's forum. He asked me if I had spammed a bunch of threads (where I made comments, you know how I am) and I just said "yes" instead of debating the terms. so he banned me. :brwncard::(

King_Ghidra
29-04-2010, 18:35:53
On WWGym, I was pretty notorious...always getting warnings. The straw that broke it was someone accusing me of being a double login. I did the hackneyed Poly thing of agreeing and telling them to disable the other login. the moderators believed me and permanently erased a well established posters entire persona. :nerd:(

:lol:

Drekkus
29-04-2010, 21:17:14
ok, that IS funny

Lurker
29-04-2010, 21:22:09
Just awesome. :beer:

TCO
05-05-2010, 02:58:11
Jordyn Weiber (new Shawn) and the USA kicked but at Pac Rims in Melbourne:

http://www.examiner.com/x-19152-Gymnastics-Examiner~y2010m4d30-US-competitors-dominate-Pacific-Rim-allaround-event-finals-qualification

TCO
05-05-2010, 03:01:37
and now SHAWN JOHNSON IS BACK!

http://www.whotv.com/videobeta/e9d71c1f-95bb-49db-aeaf-d4d702efe759/News/13Raw-Shawn-Johnson-Talks-About-Decision-To-Train-For-2012-Olympics

Asher
05-05-2010, 04:43:11
TCO, who is the cutest male gymnast still active?

TCO
05-05-2010, 18:19:55
Does manliest = cutest?

Well...they all have great physiques. With differences of course. But still. Diamonds versus emeralds.

Chris Brooks and Steven Legendre are taller than the norm and pretty thick.

If you want some boyish appeal, I guess Fabian Hambuchen. The Chinese all blend together and so do the Japanese. At least the Chinese have normal gymnastics short haircuts. The Japanese have these bushy Q-tip things.

(This is just to humor you. I'm straight and think the NCAA female gymnasts look very doable.)

TCO
05-05-2010, 18:24:19
And it's not exactly helpful to have a bunch of gay appeal. Look at figure skating. The message boards are pretty gay dominated, not that there's anything wrong with that. Well...maybe there is. Still pretty much a social taboo and offputting to heterosexuals to be labeled as such.

TCO
05-05-2010, 18:26:11
This kind of coverage does not help the cause:

http://auntjoyceicecreamstand.blogspot.com/

TCO
10-05-2010, 19:12:26
But this does:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0VTpxES0oc

Asher
11-05-2010, 03:48:55
Shawn Johnson looks like a woman

MDA
11-05-2010, 10:38:33
the steroids mush everything up

TCO
20-06-2010, 03:37:45
China can't touch US!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftH4XZh_yRc

The Shaker
20-06-2010, 10:27:10
cos they are too well oiled?

TCO
21-07-2010, 00:02:00
Paul Hamm is making another comeback attempt!!!

http://www.makingtheolympics.com/videos/paulcomeback.html

TCO
24-10-2010, 20:12:06
I've been following the World Championships. Amazing how much content and such is avaialble now with streaming video, blogs, etc. Only bummer is still being banned from all the gymnastics forums.

USA men got 4th (Zhermans beat us out for bronze), but Horton got bronze on AA. We had Legendre in FX finals and Brooks and Leyva in HB, but no medals.

Women did better. Silver despite a huge meltdown by "elegant" Mattie Larson (2.5 less than prelims). And probably still should have gotten gold if Russian questionable vaults and BB dismounts had been devalued (as they were in AA finals).

A-sac is for real with her comeback. Got the GOLD on vault and was solid in prelims and TFs on vault and BB. She also made EF on BB and had a good routine, but was just outside the podium.

Rebecca Bross is a fierce fugly one. Despite having a bad shin injury (Valeri was surpripsed she could even compete lege events, has not trained them), she delivered for the team in multiple events in prelims and TF. In AA, she was good except for a fall on her standing arabian on beam. She fought like crazy to stay on (popping into a handstand), but to no avail. Still somehow came back and ROCKED her FX (upping difficulty and execution) and STOLE a brodnze. On UB, she was solid despite lower difficulty and finished with a bronze after the Chinese bar wonders both imploded. On beam EF, she rocked as well, but got a silver.

Sloan was very injured and was supposed to be the alternate, but came in when a team member went down. She was solid in Q and TF to support the team and even made UB finals (getting 4th with a clean, lower difficulty exercise). She did not compete AA and is too injured to do so.

Little Ali Raisman, who the "elegant police" call a dump truck, was able to get into FX EF and had a very clean routine (best tumlbling and very clean execution) and was probably jobbed a little. But she got 4th and will be back for more. She also qualified into AA finals (big deal for Sacramone's "mini me") at 3rd, but had a bars fall and finished in the teens for finals. She still had a great meet for a newbie. And was a solid contributor to the American team in team events. One to keep an eye on, especially as she is trying to still add more tumbling and vaulting difficulty and is gettin better at bars too. She trains with Asac and looks like her, minus the magnetism.

Other US: Chelsea Davis blew her knee out and has had these issues for years. Macko Caquetto did well making the team and delivering her routines, espeically UB in TF. Larson blew up FX both Q and TF and was a major disappointment. All will probably be off th NCAA in the future and not factor in 2012 Oly scenarios.

non-competing: Shawn's comeback is well in line with her training FTDLO on floor, having her straight double-double on UB back, adding a new connectgion on UB and training a laid out full on BB. so much for her never regaining tricks. If she continies and does not get reinjured she could still be world class. Nastia is edging back to a comeback also and showed some swing and piros on UBs that looked surprisingly good.

Chinese: got edgned out by both US and Russians for team medals and were 3rd. JYY did capitalize on Bross's BB mistake to take AA silver and looked good. On EFs, Chinese both fell on UBs, and were not factors on FX or VT, but Deng did snatch a (shared with Bross) silver on BB.

Russians: were a major story of the competition. With lots of difficulty on UB and VT, they edged the Americans for the team gold.

Mustafina is a new phenom and had huge difficulty and a cool confidence. Her regal manner has the anti-Americans and the artistry loverz all over themselves. But she also has some top tricks and is the real deal. More of a complete gymnast than underpowered Nastia. Looks a little like Jordyn Weiber alssot. She got the the AA gold by a point distance over rivals. Her high difficulty VTs got hammered for execution in finals though and she was second to Sac. She also got a silver on UBs with a very solid set and a bit of an overscored shared silver on FX.

The Russians were a prescense with an attitude. and really with some rudenss in EF. They were not happy to have some skills get degraded on BB and VT and walked out of the competition.

Chin

TCO
12-01-2012, 03:37:40
US Women got 2011 Worlds gold. Men bronze.

Asher, the CA men were in the test event, but fell just short so will not have a team in the Olys. (13th place overall). The CA women on the other hand made it as a team.

Funko
12-01-2012, 08:37:59
Our men won the test event. :eek:

Cheshire Cat
12-01-2012, 11:11:28
(15-08-2008, 15:31:26)

The men are much better.

well, that was surely a not unexpected comment, coming from Asher

Dyl Ulenspiegel
12-01-2012, 11:19:49
Our men won the test event. :eek:

What did they test?

Cheshire Cat
12-01-2012, 11:30:41
this site looks like it's just a test (http://icule.com/)

Funko
12-01-2012, 13:24:30
What did they test?

Whether the venue works as a gymnastics venue.

Lurker
12-01-2012, 15:10:53
So apparently it works for some and not for others.

Koshko
13-01-2012, 01:34:35
What did they test?

A+ is seems.

TCO
13-01-2012, 13:31:52
Roland,

The economy is having some problems. Why didn't you warn us? :mad:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
13-01-2012, 18:37:55
Yeah, sorry. I really didn't see that coming... :D