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KrazyHorse
20-07-2008, 17:44:40
...but about 4 miles in I almost crapped my pants.

Lesson: do not eat chili the day before your distance day.

Lazarus and the Gimp
20-07-2008, 18:14:13
So you ran so fast that you left skidmarks?

KrazyHorse
20-07-2008, 19:41:04
If I was an awesome professional marathon runner I would have just squatted and crapped on the street. :beer:

Lazarus and the Gimp
20-07-2008, 21:46:57
"Doing a Radcliffe", as it's now known.

mr_B
20-07-2008, 22:53:55
Laz I hate you !!!

you made me google that dammit

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 02:56:05
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
"Doing a Radcliffe", as it's now known.

It's not like they don't all do it. But usually they manage to find better shelter from the photographers...

Lazarus and the Gimp
21-07-2008, 05:35:52
It was brilliant. The first live female defacation on prime-time BBC TV.

Funko
21-07-2008, 11:07:24
That makes me wonder who the first male one was.

MDA
21-07-2008, 11:17:51
Phidippides?

was that an own goal?

Funko
21-07-2008, 11:21:53
I didn't realise the BBC was around then.

MDA
21-07-2008, 12:34:52
Oh... right. :bash:

:nervous:

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 12:37:17
Ow. My knees hurt today.

I forgot to ice them after running yesterday.

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 12:39:07
I'm 12 lbs down from my heaviest (about 7 weeks ago). Back down to 7-8% body fat or so. Should be able to drop to 5-6% before I start giving up too much muscle.

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 12:40:07
Oh, and I realize why people train at altitude. After coming back from a month in Boulder I felt like fucking superman at sea level...

JM^3
21-07-2008, 15:19:35
Nice

I have started doing intervals, and have seen my speed improve. I should have done those ages ago.

JM

JM^3
21-07-2008, 16:16:06
BTW, what is your procedure for cutting but maintaining muscle? And when do you think one should do so?

I have been sort of hanging out at ~15% for a while, and (maybe) slowly gaining muscle.

JM

MDA
21-07-2008, 17:35:51
If I don't like my results, I just run more. Its probably the slowest improvement possible, but it eventually works and I don't have to think too hard about it.

The Mad Monk
21-07-2008, 19:09:07
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Oh, and I realize why people train at altitude. After coming back from a month in Boulder I felt like fucking superman at sea level...

Boulder made you gay?

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 21:33:17
Originally posted by JM^3
BTW, what is your procedure for cutting but maintaining muscle? And when do you think one should do so?

I have been sort of hanging out at ~15% for a while, and (maybe) slowly gaining muscle.

JM

If you're at 15% there's no reason you shouldn't be cutting right now.

During cutting I eat ~700 calories less than maintenance and focus on a lot of cardio. At least 4 cardio sessions of at least 1/2 hour at 80-90% max heart rate per week. For myself, at this level of activity this translates to ~2400 calories per day. At least 120 g protein per day. Most of the rest in carbs (rice and pasta, with some sugars immediately after workouts). Pretty low fat (just because there's not many calories left after carb and protein sections of budget). Keep weight training but do not try to increase weights. At the end of cutting I start to get a little bit weaker. That's where I'm at now. If I continue more than another 3 weeks or so at current regimen I think I'm going to start cutting too deeply into muscle. Overall aim for weight loss is ~1.5 lbs per week, almost entirely fat.

If you're at 15% I would not recommend you cut down to 5-6% in one stretch. Break it into 3 sections or so, each of 6 weeks with 6 weeks in between. Go from 15 to 11 the first section, then allow yourself to go back up a little as you regain any lost muscle. Next time try to hit 8%, then recover. Then go for 5-6%. I think lower than that is pretty difficult to achieve. I've never gone below that.

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 21:43:38
My diet for the last 8 weeks has consisted mainly of:

Rice
Pasta
Chicken breast
Beans
Fruits&vegetables (not fruit juice, but some tomato juice)
Eggs

For instance, I've been eating chicken breast chili for the last 3-4 days, served with some rice. In the chili was 3.5 lbs of chicken breast, 3 cans drained kidney beans, 3 cans diced stewed tomatoes in tomato juice (undrained), 3 onions, 10 sliced jalapenos, 2 cans tomato paste (small cans!), 7 cloves garlic, salt and cumin to taste.

It doesn't taste quite as good as ground turkey chili or ground beef chili (the meat has less flavour and slightly wrong texture) but it's still pretty delicious and it cuts out ~600 calories of fat over 3 days from other meat choices.

Other days I'll have pasta in a tomato sauce with chicken breast on top. Or a fresh salad with chicken breast, hard-boiled eggs and light dressing.

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 21:45:12
Unfortunately for vegetarians it's more difficult. Especially as excess amounts of soy protein have undesirable consequences...

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 21:49:32
I've also been more restrictive than usual on my alcohol intake. I've probably had ~35 drinks over the last 8 weeks (3 good drunks plus 3 or 4 times where I had 1 beer).

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 21:54:35
Oh, chicken breast stir fry with asparagus and red peppers in soy sauce served over rice or chow mein is pretty good too...

JM^3
21-07-2008, 21:56:20
I am way down on alcohol, 4-6 drinks is more than enough for me, and I only do that once a month or so (with a couple of other drinks on other days). So I probably average 6 drinks a month?

I mostly eat:
1. subway sandwiches/veggie wraps (eating out)
2. beans from a can + frozen veggies
3. tofu + frozen veggies
4. some soy product
5. frozen waffles + peanut butter + fruit
6. soup from a can/etc (bean or soy)
7. whey +fruit smoothy
8. eggs

I try to get whey 4+ times a week, and nuts several times. I try to make sure that Soy isn't my source for the majority of my protien in any given day, and that I have the occasional day without it.

I currently am following this interval training regime. In it I do intervales for ~30 minutes 3x times per week. The other 3x times I do circuit training weights. I am not entirely sure how well the weights are doing, but at first I was doubtful about the intervals, but after a month I noticed a speed increase (which I hadn't seen at my low intensity long (50 minute) duration cardio).

Currently, I would guess that I mostly do 3ish hours of exercise per week. Previous to the current exercise regime (which I got from a book) I was doing 5x50m of low intensity cardio (fast walk with cranked up incline) + 3x70m of heavy weights (4x5 of different exercises with plenty of rest between sets).

I do eat too much sweets. I generally get something like ~2300 calories with 600 or so from sweets and 60-110g of protien. I currently way 165 lbs. I also try the thing where I eat 4-6 times per day, and right after I weight lift.

JM

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 22:03:41
Intervals and 5 ks (plus warmup and cooldown) are my bread and butter. I only have 1 long day (40-50 minute) once every 5 day cycle. 1 day is intervals, 1 day is a 5k race pace, 1 day is an easy 6-7 k jog or maybe an uphill 5 k at a slow pace. The other day is my lifting day. Just upper body work. I don't like doing squats or other resistance exercises on legs. Too dangerous and my knees already hurt enough as is.

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 22:05:18
600 calories a day from sweets is ridiculous. Peanut butter is pretty fatty, and waffles are pretty bad too.

JM^3
21-07-2008, 22:10:17
My legs is where the weights have upped the most. 2 years ago I did machine squats of 80lbs, I can now do over 300 lbs machine squats and over 140lbs of standard types (dumbell/barbell). My back is what keeps me from going higher.

Actually, the new circuit training has a lot less chest exercises, and in the last two months my dumbell press has dropped from 140 lbs to 110-120 lbs. (I have done in twice to see how my standard exercises change based upon the circuit exercises).

I use very healthy peanut butter and waffles, ones that I probably should still limit but they are high protien and high in omega 3s.

I know I need to cut the sweets.

Jon Miller

JM^3
21-07-2008, 22:12:28
I did a month worth of intervals like this: (always 5 minute up/down)

day 1:20s fast/60s slow
day 3:30s fast/60s slow
day 5:60s fast/60s slow

I did that like 6-8 times.

Currently I am doing (well, not the last week cause I was visiting relatives/etc):

day 1: 2m fast/2m slow
day 3: 1m fast/1m slow
day 5: 3m fast/3m slow

Fast is 6-8 mph (depending on the time spent) at an incline of 7.

JM

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 22:18:35
Okay. See, this is why I don't do squats. The first time I ever did them (was with a free bar) I did 225. Probably had wrong form too.

I'm naturally bottom heavy. Don't need to add more there, plus to be really challenging I have to do what I consider a dangerous amount of weight.

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 22:22:10
Right now I'm benching 75 lb dumbbells per arm (3 sets of 8 or so). Was at 80 for a long time, but I got a bit weaker during cutting.

JM^3
21-07-2008, 22:24:49
Oh, so I was a bit close to you. I could get up 70 lbs (but to do a set of 8 had to stay to 65 lbs). This was a lot more dependent on tricep strength than chest strength, my arms are quite weak... I can only do a barbell bicep curl of 70 lbs. (I can do 3 of them)

JM

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 22:25:15
I don't do barbell bench because I wouldn't be comfortable without a spotter (would be ~200 lbs when I'm at my strongest) and I don't like asking strangers for spots...

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 22:28:49
Originally posted by JM^3
Oh, so I was a bit close to you. I could get up 70 lbs (but to do a set of 8 had to stay to 65 lbs). This was a lot more dependent on tricep strength than chest strength, my arms are quite weak... I can only do a barbell bicep curl of 70 lbs. (I can do 3 of them)

JM

You might be using wrong form on bench (not engaging chest enough) because barbell curls of 70 lbs should be enough (assuming equal tricep strength) to make you comfortably do 70 lb dumbbell presses.

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 22:34:08
For instance, doing skull-crushers of 75 lbs is not easy for me (I don't generally do them, but they should just be pure tris).

Here's something to try: next time you bench, arch your back a little bit. It's a cheating motion, so you shouldn't do it forever, but it also (I find) helps you figure out exactly what muscles you're supposed to be working when you bench. After a couple of weeks doing that, try lifting the same way but with your back flat.

JM^3
21-07-2008, 22:35:56
I can barely do 70 lbs of barbell (and only recently), but it might be the triceps that are the problem. I have a hard time going from sitting to arms away from body with dumbells in hand.

I also don't like messing with strangers. I know that bench of machines (iso-lateral) is much easier, but I got up to ~220lbs on that.

The circuit training I do has very little chest exercises. There is like a chopping wood motion with cable resistance and pushups in it. It doesn't have any high weight chest stuff. It seems mostly to work the legs/core/shoulders/back.

JM

JM^3
21-07-2008, 22:41:37
I have actually read that muscle gain is at the highest it goes at 10-15% BF%. So my goal is really only to get to 10% (although I don't want a whole lot more muscle).

My main goals, is to look better and have more energy. I know that looking better means lower BF%. I am not sure how to get more energy.

JM

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 22:48:04
Here's the thing: you'll never have visible abs or good muscular definition at 15% body fat (except possibly on your arms if you've got huge amounts of muscle).

Even 10% might be a bit high for that. And you'll notice a big difference in your running if you drop 5% body fat (~9 lbs of dead weight for you, assuming you're 180 or so). Makes a huge difference. When I try to gain muscle I'll let myself get some more fat on me, but I don't like how it makes me look or feel.

JM^3
21-07-2008, 23:03:22
I sorta want to give circuit training a shot though. I mean, I am use to the low rep or medium rep stuff where you do high weight and rest between sets. The circuit training is a bit different, you do 12 exercises in maybe 20 minutes, just going from one exercise to the next.

You know anything about it?

JM

KrazyHorse
21-07-2008, 23:08:09
No. I do traditional lifting and cardio.

JM^3
21-07-2008, 23:25:47
Well, intervals weren't something I had ever done before. Adding them to what I do has definitely been an improvement.

JM

JM^3
21-07-2008, 23:46:39
I actually use a facebook app to keep trafck of my exericses. I didn't keep track of my weights the last 3 weeks or so (I also have a pen and paper for when I am at the gym), but will add them when I return home.

That way I can easily look back months, and I don't have to worry about losing papers.

JM

self biased
22-07-2008, 23:34:53
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I'm 12 lbs down from my heaviest (about 7 weeks ago). Back down to 7-8% body fat or so. Should be able to drop to 5-6% before I start giving up too much muscle.

you're a skinny fucker to begin with. christ, lose much more and you'll simply be a ghost.

Drake Tungsten
23-07-2008, 05:45:30
Ghosts with ripped abs :b:

Drekkus
23-07-2008, 08:10:43
Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Boulder made you gay? I FEEL LIKE FUCKING SUPERMAN TODAY!!! WHERE IS HE??

Could be a great opening for a new superman movie.

JM^3
23-07-2008, 17:42:23
I am really use to eating sweets each day. Is it about the same if I just work out more and eat sweets?

Jon Miller

KrazyHorse
23-07-2008, 18:15:50
Not necessarily. Sweets have a high glycemic index and thus stimulate the release of insulin, a classic anabolic hormone.

Replacing non-glycemic carbs with glycemic carbs leads to increased weight retention (and by conservation of energy, a lower metabolism).

I try to avoid sweets except immediately following exercise (when they're necessary to replenish glycogen stores).

Fistandantilus
23-07-2008, 20:41:33
How do you know the body fat % ?

JM^3
23-07-2008, 21:06:55
I have used a couple of different measurement techniques. Probably the best ones are looking at the skinfold caliper test and looking at my scale. The scale measurement is highly dependent on BW%... since I got the new one I have been between 12% and 20%, almost entirely being between 13% and 17% (with most being around 15%). It definitely isn't exact.

The skinfold test was about a year ago (with calipers) and was 12 points or so. I was definitely weaker than (but weighed the same) and came out ~17%.

The numbers are probably off a little bit to most of my fat being in my stomach (which might not be just under the skin?)? My legs are pretty strong looking, and my arms could be bigger, but aren't very fat.

I don't like the tape measurement (and don't think it is very valid) cause it measures your neck and waist. My waist is where most of my fat is and my neck isn't where my muscle really is. Most of my muscle is in my legs/chest with a bit in my arms (my shoulders I wasn't too good at working out).

Jon Miller

KrazyHorse
23-07-2008, 23:57:01
Originally posted by Fistandantilus
How do you know the body fat % ?

I've had the measurement done a few times (skinfold measurements), so I now know what I look like at different levels of fat.

I've ranged from 13% (at my fattest) where my abs are almost totally covered down to 5.4% (at my skinniest) where you could easily see individual muscle fibers all over my body and the skin on my stomach was paper-thin.

Right now I've got a sixpack, but there's still between 0.5 and 1 cm of fat on my stomach (around navel, where it's thickest). So I'm guessing I'm at 7-8%

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 00:00:02
I weigh ~160 lbs right now. The lightest I've been since I was 15 was 148, before I started lifting. Assuming that I've got an extra ~3 lbs of fat on me from then, it would mean that I've put on about 10 lbs of muscle, which is pretty reasonable for ~2.5 years given that I've had a few injuries and have stopped training a few times for a few months at a time.

JM^3
24-07-2008, 03:21:20
I weight 165 lbs right now and have for about a year, although I was maybe down to 160 lbs for a short while about a year ago. Almost 30 months ago I weighed 215 lbs and was in terrible condition, I couldn't even run half a mile (I could jog a couple miles 6 months before that, I lose fitness very quickly).

I spent the first year mostly focused on losing weight and cardio, with a bit of muscle building occasionally.

I did have health complications with going off my blood pressure medication in the last year, which kept me from doing a lot of weight lifting for a number of months. (I Went off my blood pressure medication after fainting at the gym almost a year ago)

This year (since Feb), I have been doing different things to focus on muscle building though. I even started a new exercise regime a couple months back (although I have been off it for almost 2 weeks now due to vacation).

Jon Miller

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 05:32:55
Glad to hear how much you've improved, Jon. That's wonderful progress.

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 05:36:14
I'm giving myself 3 weeks to be at 156 and then I'm going to start gaining again. Won't let myself get above 165 this time. Was at 172-173 and was very uncomfortable with that.

JM^3
24-07-2008, 05:37:05
I don't really feel that it has been fast enough, although I haven't eaten as well as I should and have (sometimes had to) take breaks from the exercise.

JM

JM^3
24-07-2008, 05:38:12
When I was at 215 I felt so terrible. I felt like I wouldn't live until 35 if I didn't do something.

I feel much better now, mostly just feel I lack energy.

If you gain enough muscle, I suspect 180 would be fine (or even higher). I don't know how well you carry muscle though.

JM

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 05:41:04
I'm lucky about cardio fitness, I think. No matter how long it's been since I ran I can always put down a 23 minute 5k.

Dropping to 21 is always pretty easy. Within a month I can be there starting from my base level fitness. Getting below 20 is really hard. My pb was 18:07 (on a track, not road).

My goal is to run a 5k road race in October in 19 minutes or less. I'm also considering running a half marathon some time next year.

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 05:42:19
Originally posted by JM^3
I don't really feel that it has been fast enough, although I haven't eaten as well as I should and have (sometimes had to) take breaks from the exercise.

JM

Dude, you lost 25% of your weight, improved your general fitness and increased your strength.

That's great progress. You should be really proud of yourself.

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 05:44:25
Originally posted by JM^3
When I was at 215 I felt so terrible. I felt like I wouldn't live until 35 if I didn't do something.

I feel much better now, mostly just feel I lack energy.

If you gain enough muscle, I suspect 180 would be fine (or even higher). I don't know how well you carry muscle though.

JM

I'm a bit of a hard gainer. I have trouble forcing myself to eat enough, I think. But it slowly and surely goes on. I don't want to walk around at 180 no matter how much is muscle. Would be slow as shit if I was that weight.

JM^3
24-07-2008, 05:44:37
Nice. I am hoping to see some speed increase when I try to run for distance again after doing these intervals.

Why haven't you done a half-marathon yet? You definitely seem like you would do well in it.

Maybe you just live an active enough life? My younger brother never ran, but when he decided to race his friend for fun he could do 6 minute miles without any practice.

JM

JM^3
24-07-2008, 05:45:47
Do you eat 6 times a day or anything similar?

JM

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 05:47:02
If I put on 5-8 lbs more muscle I'd be happy to stay right there. I'm already a bit stronger than most guys. No need to be a hero...

JM^3
24-07-2008, 05:50:26
I have a similar feeling in that I don't want to be huge. But back when I was still 175 (18 months ago) a couple people at the gym told me I shouldn't lose more weight but should change it to muscle instead.

It might be a preference thing.

I hear people saying that (with a lot of food intake) that they can put on 10-20 lbs of muscle in 3 months. That is some of the reason I feel slow.

JM

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 05:50:48
Originally posted by JM^3
Nice. I am hoping to see some speed increase when I try to run for distance again after doing these intervals.

Why haven't you done a half-marathon yet? You definitely seem like you would do well in it.

Maybe you just live an active enough life? My younger brother never ran, but when he decided to race his friend for fun he could do 6 minute miles without any practice.

JM

1 6 minute mile is no problem. String a couple or 3 in a row and you're talking about my limits.

I'm not a real distance runner at heart. I like the 5k pace. By the time I start to get bored it's over. I'm forcing myself to train longer distances at least once a cycle now, but that's new.

JM^3
24-07-2008, 05:52:29
Yeah, I get bored also. Before doing intervals I was doing high incline fast walks, which were pretty easy (I could read books while doing them) and burned calories but didn't increase my speed at all.

JM

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 05:52:30
Originally posted by JM^3
Do you eat 6 times a day or anything similar?

JM

I try to eat at least 4 times a day. I'm too lazy to break up meals into more than that. My natural habit is to not eat at all until 6pm (seriously, I used to go without breakfast or lunch almost every day) and then gorge myself at dinner.

JM^3
24-07-2008, 05:53:36
That's what I did also, but than I read it was inefficient.

JM

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 05:55:08
Originally posted by JM^3

I hear people saying that (with a lot of food intake) that they can put on 10-20 lbs of muscle in 3 months.

Bull. Shit.

Bullshit.

Not unless they're using some sort of performance enhancing drugs.

20 pounds in a year is pretty huge. Only a completely untrained individual who threw himself into whole hog could accomplish that.

10 lbs a year is a solid gain for somebody whose only concern is gaining muscle (not worrying about cutting).

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 05:55:46
Originally posted by JM^3
That's what I did also, but than I read it was inefficient.

JM

I know. I try not to do it, but it's my tendency...

JM^3
24-07-2008, 05:56:17
Eating a healthy 4000-5000 calories is really hard.

But that is what some people claim they can do. That is going from not fit. Once you are fit, it takes more and more effort to put on some.

And people put muscle on the legs faster than the upper body.

JM

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 05:59:23
20 lbs in 3 months is fucking retarded. Nobody can do that. Seriously.

Anybody who claims to have done that is either:

a) a liar
b) using hgh, steroids, insulin injections or a combination of all 3
c) mistaking fat gain for muscle gain

JM^3
24-07-2008, 05:59:30
Basically what I read was if your body could put on a lot more muscle, if you ate a ton while exercising (pushing yourself properly) that most of what weight you gain would be muscle.

So you could add 1-2 lbs of muscle a week or something.

That is probably only under ideal situations.

JM

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 05:59:56
I was eating close to 4000 when running ~70 k a week.

Not really gaining weight either...

JM^3
24-07-2008, 06:00:57
How many calories do you burn while running?

This might be for lifting heavy weights, not running.

JM

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 06:13:19
On a 10 k run at my pace and weight, probably 700 or so.

You have to add in the training effect though (base metabolism goes up a few hundred calories a day when you're doing enough exercise) and post-exercise energy consumption (in the couple of hours after intense exercise you burn 100-200 extra calories)

So running 10k every day compared to sedentary lifestyle added probably 1200 calories a day to my output. Add in a couple of weightlifting sessions a week and you get to a total of ~4000

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 06:14:13
I'm assuming my sedentary needs are ~2400 calories per day...

mr_B
24-07-2008, 09:05:53
now this is officially the "girls talking about their weight"thread

C.G.B. Spender
24-07-2008, 09:08:51
I thought it was "Narcissus Watching"?

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 09:10:59
Originally posted by mr_B
now this is officially the "girls talking about their weight"thread

:beer:

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 09:15:23
By the way, maybe Jon's different, but as a physicist I need numbers to make sense of anything. I run measured distances at measured paces. I lift measured amounts of weight measured numbers of times and I keep track of those numbers. I eat measured amounts of calories, grams of protein etc. I weigh myself at the same time of the morning every day.

If I didn't have measurements I wouldn't actually do any exercise or eat properly. It's my motivation.

Note that I also don't play games without keeping score...

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 09:19:27
When I drink beer I keep the bottle caps or tabs in my pocket so I can count how much I drank the next morning. When I walk places I count the number of steps I take. When driving I always calculate my gas mileage.

Maybe I just have OCD...

KrazyHorse
24-07-2008, 09:21:40
I was talking to my friend's girlfriend the other day and she asked me how far a walk it was to the store. I said "about six and a half minutes". She thought I was weird...

Funko
24-07-2008, 10:03:22
Of course. "about" is rubbish.

She was probably expecting 6.45 minutes +/- 15 seconds

MoSe
24-07-2008, 10:33:02
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I weigh myself at the same time of the morning every day.

If I didn't have measurements I wouldn't actually do any exercise or eat properly. It's my motivation.

I generally agree, but this is why I end to NOT exercise indeed, because all this offers me much much much bigger chances to find EXCUSES rather than motivation

:lol:

BTW, I figure you take your weight in constant experimental conditions too.
I mean:
empty bowels
same clothing (i.e. none)
before any drinking or eating in the morning...

but re: "at the same time "

what if:
- you sleep on
- your bowels are late
- and so on...

?????

Fistandantilus
24-07-2008, 10:35:52
A physicist bowels are never late - FACT

MoSe
24-07-2008, 10:37:32
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
When I drink beer I keep the bottle caps or tabs in my pocket so I can count how much I drank the next morning. When I walk places I count the number of steps I take. When driving I always calculate my gas mileage.

Maybe I just have OCD...

- When driving I always calculate my gas mileage.
wise and careful

- When I drink beer I keep the bottle caps or tabs in my pocket so I can count how much I drank the next morning.
reasonable and smart

-When I walk places I count the number of steps I take.
....purpose????
and do you count in your mind? or do you use one of those mechanical step counters?
:nervous:

MDA
24-07-2008, 10:48:13
I don't count, but I might be numbers obsessed. I have a GPS watch I wear when I run (except on days I use a treadmill), and its all downloaded into my laptop.

JM^3
24-07-2008, 16:00:12
Yeah, if I didn't focus hard on it I wouldn't do it.

I don't count my steps though, as usually my mind is off on other things.

JM

MoSe
24-07-2008, 16:05:20
I knew one who ran 30 minutes in the park every morning and to keep focused he repeated al the while as a mantra:
"pussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussy pussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussy pussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussy ......"

Lazarus and the Gimp
24-07-2008, 16:25:37
I'm not reading this thread any more, because I think I'll start deveoloping ovaries.

JM^3
05-08-2008, 02:41:52
How high does you heart rate get when you are running? Since I go on the treadmill, on the slow interval I canmeasure mine. Before I start a fast interval it is <150 (unless I am only doing 1m intervals). After I am done it is ~188 for a 3 minute interval, and ~180 for a <2m interval.

I wonder if I am pushing myself too hard. I bet it gets higher than 190 which is really really high.

JM

MoSe
05-08-2008, 07:49:06
I'm not a doctor, but I got told there's an upper limit, and that there's a rule-of-thumb saying it's approx X-age, where IIRC X=220, or 200 (?)

Indeed the aerobic threshold (?) beat rate is based on such calculations

MoSe
05-08-2008, 08:05:54
here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobic_threshold
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_threshold
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobic_exercise
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_heart_rate#Measuring_HRmax

much better than I could attempt to report:
Conducting a maximal exercise test can require expensive equipment. If you are just beginning an exercise regimen, you should only perform this test in the presence of medical staff due to risks associated with high heart rates.
Instead, people typically use a formula to estimate their individual Maximum Heart Rate. The most common formula encountered is:

HRmax = 220 − age (caution: can vary significantly!)

This is attributed to various sources, often "Fox and Haskell".

While the most common (and easy to remember and calculate), this particular formula is not considered by some to be a good predictor of HRmax.

mr_B
05-08-2008, 08:37:53
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
I'm not reading this thread any more, because I think I'll start deveoloping ovaries. :lol:

KrazyHorse
07-08-2008, 08:52:43
Originally posted by JM^3
How high does you heart rate get when you are running? Since I go on the treadmill, on the slow interval I canmeasure mine. Before I start a fast interval it is <150 (unless I am only doing 1m intervals). After I am done it is ~188 for a 3 minute interval, and ~180 for a <2m interval.

I wonder if I am pushing myself too hard. I bet it gets higher than 190 which is really really high.

JM

When I'm doing long training runs (8k+) I try to stay below 180-185. Intervals and race pace 5ks can easily push me to 205.

My resting heart rate is ~50 right now (has never been less than high 40s except when I'm deliberately trying to slow it...in which case I can get down to 40 for about 30s before it speeds up again). I know there are some people who can control their autonomic nervous system far better than that, but I've never managed it. I've also never managed to break 4 minutes while holding my breath.

KrazyHorse
07-08-2008, 08:57:16
On the running front I'm still just over a twenty minute 5k. I've been seriously training cardio for ~2 months since my last "break". I'm within ~2 lbs of my cutting goal. Say 10 days and I can start eating enough to maintain/gain again. That might drive my times down. I think the cutting is hitting my glycogen replacement hard enough that it's affecting my times.

KrazyHorse
07-08-2008, 08:59:35
I'm starting to get chronic knee pain again. That's the only part of running that sucks. :(

MDA
07-08-2008, 11:12:41
Is that better or worse than developing ovaries?

what about sore moobs?

I ran just before noon on Sunday and thought I'd die. My 5th and last mile was 11 minutes, which can't even be called a run. Too damned hot outside.

Greg W
07-08-2008, 11:20:29
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I'm starting to get chronic knee pain again. That's the only part of running that sucks. :( My god, I think my moobs just started lactating reading some of this thread.

Hint though: Don't run on paved surfaces. Run on grass only. Running on paved areas puts way too much pressure on your knees and wears out all your cushiony thingies*.



*that's the technical term

KrazyHorse
07-08-2008, 12:09:30
Originally posted by Greg W
My god, I think my moobs just started lactating reading some of this thread.

Hint though: Don't run on paved surfaces. Run on grass only. Running on paved areas puts way too much pressure on your knees and wears out all your cushiony thingies*.



*that's the technical term

Thanks, Dr. Greg. But I already knew that. I try to stick to rubberized tracks and treadmills.

MoSe
07-08-2008, 12:12:27
or switch to cycling, so you'll wear out your ass cushioning instead of your knees one

MoSe
07-08-2008, 12:18:59
Originally posted by Greg W
My god, I think my moobs just started lactating reading some of this thread.

lol, this is the first google hit for moobs:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article1334483.ece

there's also a dedicated site
http://moobs.uber.com/

KrazyHorse
07-08-2008, 13:24:15
If all of you have moobs then maybe you should start exercising and eating less, you fat fucks.

KrazyHorse
07-08-2008, 13:24:39
Except Venom, of course. He's perfect the way he is.

JM^3
07-08-2008, 18:47:16
Take up swimming? It wears me out a lot more than running anyways.

JM

KrazyHorse
07-08-2008, 20:01:26
Yeah, but swimming is difficult to work into a lifting schedule. By the time I'm not too tired to swim I have to lift again.

I'm going to stick to running for now. I do cycle once in a while instead of running (when my knees hurt too much). I also try to ice them down after every run for a half hour or so. That seems to help a little bit.

Venom
07-08-2008, 20:12:30
I'm touching my moobs right now.

mr_B
07-08-2008, 20:13:20
my nipples are hard

Oerdin
07-08-2008, 23:46:06
KH needs to talk about moobs some more while I rub myself.

Greg W
08-08-2008, 02:22:16
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
If all of you have moobs then maybe you should start exercising and eating less, you fat fucks. I already exercise less, so I'm halfway there! :beer:

MoSe
08-08-2008, 07:25:33
OK, you can start eating, now

MoSe
08-08-2008, 07:31:36
BTW, what's this "less" we should eat?

in italian, "lesso (http://www.wordreference.com/iten/lesso)" is a synonym of bollito=bolied, referred to a way of cooking meat or fish, and generally considered dull, apt for ill people nutrition, as opposed to more savoury roast or grill.
By extension, it is also used as a derogatory term for an athlete who exhausted his forces, which is curiously on topic too.

:D

Provost Harrison
09-08-2008, 16:51:51
Yeah, I tend to run on a treadmill when I do...otherwise it just does my feet in...

RedFred
09-08-2008, 17:42:40
Miles seem so 1960s. My 10K time is 38 minutes.

KrazyHorse
09-08-2008, 19:37:20
I translated it for the non-runners/yanks/brits.

It was just over 10k.

My pb on the 5k is 18:07

MDA
11-08-2008, 11:23:47
I haven't run a 5k that fast in 20 years. :lol:

9 miles yesterday, 1:19

yes, 10 minute miles

I'm so going to croak at the Army 10-miler.

mr_B
11-08-2008, 11:36:29
Originally posted by me me me
I haven't run fast in 20 years. :lol:

MDA
11-08-2008, 15:16:26
originally posted by me me me :lol:

mr_B
11-08-2008, 15:18:54
jj that one is layered

MDA
11-08-2008, 18:28:41
The Dutch are like onions!


and ogres.

KrazyHorse
13-08-2008, 13:53:27
I'm considering doing some plyometric leg stuff (in addition to regular intervals). Apparently there are some real gains to be had in terms of running economy...

KrazyHorse
13-08-2008, 13:55:16
The only thing I'm worried about is doing more damage to my knees (especially my right one).

mr_B
13-08-2008, 14:06:23
me too

KrazyHorse
13-08-2008, 14:31:34
According to a skinfold test at my gym yesterday I'm at 5.56% body fat. I'm surprised, because I thought I was still a bit higher than that based on visible muscle tone of abs. I think the skin around my abdomen and ass is still a bit loose from dropping 15+ lbs. Damn age is reducing skin elasticity...

I'm right at 157 lbs rights now. Back to 3500 calories a day, I suppose. The first couple of weeks won't be much fun, because my stomach's not used to that any more...then again, I might get to stop feeling weak.

Provost Harrison
14-08-2008, 00:02:07
You know, for a minute then, I thought I almost gave a shit :p

JM^3
14-08-2008, 02:40:36
Nice, I still haven't really focused on cutting. I actually lost a lot of strength on my previous exercise routine, my current dumbell bench is only like 60 lbs (each).

JM

JM^3
20-08-2008, 18:27:57
So I decreased my incline, and increased my speed. But than 2 days ago (second time with this configuration), my right calf became in pain. I finished up the 27 minutes (over 3 miles), but then increased the incline and walked the last 5 minutes.

I wasn't even really pushing myself, I was breaking in my polar heart rate monitor (acquired so that I can keep track of my heart rate when having 'slow' speds of over 4 mph or when outside), and doing a pretty relaxed set of intervals.

Anyways, how long before I should run again? What should I do so this doesn't happen again? It didn't seem to be bad when fast walking on the incline, but the running flat wasn't too pleasent.

JM

JM^3
24-08-2008, 01:03:39
Well, I ran again tonight. And at about the 18 minute mark, my right calf started hurting again. So I only did two 6 minute fast intervals and then slowed down to a fast walk with a high incline for my cooldown (a but after minute 20).

I did manage to run over 2.3 miles in 20 minutes though, and that includes the first 5 minutes at the slower 6 mph pace. (the slow intervals I take that fast).

One frustration for me is that my polar HRM had problems, it seemed, measuring my HR above 170. At the 6 mph pace, my HR was about 160 (which is what I would expect, based on other measures also). As I increased the pace though, whether at 7.5 mph or 8 mph (the two 6 minute intervals I did), it wouldn't go over 170 bpm.

I know from the treadmills, after a fast pace my HR is over 180 bpm (fast being 8.5 mph or so). I suspect that it had problems reading me over 170 bpm. One issue is that I was a bit dehydrated.

Jon Miller