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Scabrous Birdseed
19-05-2008, 15:23:22
First semi tomorrow - anyone except me a fan? (I've been blogging way too much about it (http://downwithtunes.blogspot.com/search/label/eurovision), including reviewing all 43 entries.)

What are your favourites? Who do you think'll win? I've got a handful I think are a cut above the rest:

Ukraine: http://www.dailymotion.com/group/eurovision2008/video/x4prp1_eurovision-ukraine-2008-ani-lorak-s_music
Bulgaria: http://www.dailymotion.com/group/eurovision2008/video/x3u8ax_eurovision-bulgaria-2008-deep-zone_music
Bosnia: http://www.dailymotion.com/group/eurovision2008/video/x569zf_eurovision-bosnie-2008-laka-pokusaj_music
Azerbaijan: http://www.dailymotion.com/group/eurovision2008/video/x4s8b8_eurovision-azerbaidjan-2008-elnur-h_music
Malta: http://www.dailymotion.com/group/eurovision2008/video/x4s71r_eurovision-malte-2008-morena-vodka_music

Funko
19-05-2008, 15:28:12
They are cancelling Dr Who for a week for this. :(

seng
19-05-2008, 15:43:54
So when does Western Europe hold its Song Contest?

Scabrous Birdseed
19-05-2008, 15:55:22
Oh, there are lots of western European entries in the semis that won't make the final, plus four countries ("The Big Four") have pre-bribed themselves into the final. But obviously an Eastern European entry will win, they always do because they're quite simply better.

Walrus Feeder
21-05-2008, 16:59:37
Why are Italy never in it?

Fistandantilus
21-05-2008, 17:21:54
Lack of interest.

Actually we did partecipate till the late '90 then our national TV apparently decided we couldn't care less :p

Scabrous Birdseed
21-05-2008, 17:33:39
They were in nearly every contest up until 1997 and won twice, but quit after the contest received really low viewership figures several years running. They're apparently considering a re-entry after San Marino and Switzerland did Italian-language numbers this year...

The real question is why Luxembourg aren't in it, they've won it five times.

seng
21-05-2008, 18:03:44
I was just thinking that. Where the hell is Luxembourg?

Kitsuki
21-05-2008, 19:07:10
Originally posted by seng
I was just thinking that. Where the hell is Luxembourg?

Western Europe.

seng
22-05-2008, 01:11:04
Good. I hope it stays there.

Funko
22-05-2008, 07:49:00
It's odd in the UK. It's seen as a great opportunity to laugh at the silly Europeans and their funny songs but there's also a slight underlying sense of confusion as to why we don't win when our music is clearly so much better than everyone elses in Europe.

The answer I guess is not that everyone hates us and votes against us for political reasons but more that we don't take it seriously, we don't pick big current pop stars to do it (why would they want to? it's embarassing!) and we generally don't pick good songs.

Fistandantilus
22-05-2008, 13:46:48
You music is clearly so much better? :D

Is that really a widespread belief in the UK?

Funko
22-05-2008, 14:15:19
I would say it was fairly widespread, yes. As ridiculous as that is.

It's probably partly because we export a lot of music but import very little other than American music, unless it's sung in English, in which case people probably think it's British or American influenced.

Kitsuki
22-05-2008, 16:55:20
What makes Eurovision a joy to watch is Terry Wogan's sarcastic, mocking commentary. Has got worse since he was told to tone it down a couple of years ago!

Almost all successful music in the UK comes from UK / USA / Canada / Australia - not big on listening to music sung in other languages I 'spose.

Scabrous Birdseed
22-05-2008, 18:09:03
Well the countries with the strongest commercial pop scenes tend to do the best, Britain excepted. In the past few years Greece, Turkey, Russia have consistently done fairly well.

Resource Consumer
23-05-2008, 19:03:12
I am supporting the Gay Latvian Pirates (one of whom is Sardinian anyway)

Beta1
24-05-2008, 19:29:43
so far its been brilliant - the germans were massively out of tune, the UK were bland as hell, the bosnians are doing thier washing on stage and singing about bananas...

Beta1
24-05-2008, 19:39:53
Awesome - the Finnish entry "Where the men ride forth, sheep cannot safely graze"

Is Mike finnish?

:funko:

Lazarus and the Gimp
25-05-2008, 07:44:43
Terry Wogan has announced that he'll probably stop presenting it, in view of the event's politicisation.

Scabrous Birdseed
25-05-2008, 09:38:38
Wait, Terry Wogan, the man largely responsible for turning the Eurovision from a respectable but naff song contest to a silly spectacle wants to quit because it's just not about the music anymore?

novacane
25-05-2008, 10:26:33
"Largely responsible"? Seriously?

I would say Terry Wogan's attitude is a consequence of an increasingly farcical competition rather than a cause.

Vincent
25-05-2008, 18:37:10
Crap songs, terrible performances, ridiculous votings :beer:

Drekkus
26-05-2008, 08:13:50
How did Ireland do???

Beta1
26-05-2008, 09:04:10
knocked out in the semi

Drekkus
26-05-2008, 09:06:41
oh :(

C.G.B. Spender
26-05-2008, 10:32:00
Song was too good

MoSe
26-05-2008, 11:42:50
I remember I only used to follow the final votes with the Jeux-Sans-Frontières-like table, without listening to the songs.
It was very exciting.
That was in the early '80s tho

C.G.B. Spender
26-05-2008, 12:10:38
The music is still very 80s

Walrus Feeder
26-05-2008, 20:23:40
Not wanting to sound controversial, but apart from the tiresome political voting, i think one reason the UK did so undeservedly bad was due to racism. We had the only black entrant and if you think how some English footie players get monkey noises made at them in modern Western countries like Spain, you would doubt some of the Eastern European countries would care to vote for us either. Any else agree with this?

Scabrous Birdseed
26-05-2008, 21:21:58
Well, a black man won it in 2001, with all the Eastern countries present:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzyhbJy2JpI

C.G.B. Spender
27-05-2008, 07:17:15
I guess the english song was boring stolen generic pop crap - as the German song was and both people deserved to be nuked.

And remember the strange orcish finns and that jewish transvestite won ...

C.G.B. Spender
27-05-2008, 07:27:15
I mean: You can't steal a Rick Astley/Sydney Youngblood 80s song and expect the people to love it ...

Scabrous Birdseed
27-05-2008, 07:51:40
Heck, last year it was won by a butch lesbian. The Eurovision audience is hardly known for its intolerance, except intolerance of good music. :)

The only other black entry I can think of in recent years came 8th, a respectable placement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiMr8z5syD8

Actually, I don't think Eastern Europeans are any less racist than their Western counterparts, it's just that there are practically no black people there at all, so the reaction to blackness is probably more bemused than prejudiced. A friend of my parents from Tanzania came to Hungary in the sixties and everyone was really nice to him but didn't know what to make of him, old ladies offered to wash him and stuff.

Now, if the performer had been roma, then you could have expected racist reactions.

Funko
27-05-2008, 07:59:19
Who won?

Scabrous Birdseed
27-05-2008, 08:08:43
Russia. They bought themselves the win to a degree, with loads of money spent on production, promotion and staging.

Funko
27-05-2008, 08:22:20
Ah. Like Chelsea.

C.G.B. Spender
27-05-2008, 08:23:52
Yeah, exactly