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The Mad Monk
01-04-2008, 01:15:20
They acheived the "Large Hadron Collider" stage of development and zapped themselves into non-existance. :(

Sort of like the opening plot of Marvel Comics' "Power Pack" :nervous:

Asking a Judge to Save the World, and Maybe a Whole Lot More
Valerio Mezzanotti for The New York Times

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/03/29/us/29collider.span.jpg
Part of a detector to study results of proton collisions by a particle accelerator that a federal lawsuit filed in Hawaii seeks to stop.

By DENNIS OVERBYE
Published: March 29, 2008

More fighting in Iraq. Somalia in chaos. People in this country can’t afford their mortgages and in some places now they can’t even afford rice.
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Times Topics: CERN

None of this nor the rest of the grimness on the front page today will matter a bit, though, if two men pursuing a lawsuit in federal court in Hawaii turn out to be right. They think a giant particle accelerator that will begin smashing protons together outside Geneva this summer might produce a black hole or something else that will spell the end of the Earth — and maybe the universe.

Scientists say that is very unlikely — though they have done some checking just to make sure.

The world’s physicists have spent 14 years and $8 billion building the Large Hadron Collider, in which the colliding protons will recreate energies and conditions last seen a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang. Researchers will sift the debris from these primordial recreations for clues to the nature of mass and new forces and symmetries of nature.

But Walter L. Wagner and Luis Sancho contend that scientists at the European Center for Nuclear Research, or CERN, have played down the chances that the collider could produce, among other horrors, a tiny black hole, which, they say, could eat the Earth. Or it could spit out something called a “strangelet” that would convert our planet to a shrunken dense dead lump of something called “strange matter.” Their suit also says CERN has failed to provide an environmental impact statement as required under the National Environmental Policy Act.

Although it sounds bizarre, the case touches on a serious issue that has bothered scholars and scientists in recent years — namely how to estimate the risk of new groundbreaking experiments and who gets to decide whether or not to go ahead.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/science/29collider.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

TCO
01-04-2008, 01:22:47
Kitty!? Safety first.

The Mad Monk
01-04-2008, 01:23:02
I am a steller spellar.

Greg W
01-04-2008, 03:24:22
Excellent, being a black fetishist, I have always wanted to enter a black hole!

Shining1
01-04-2008, 03:25:34
Standard insertion for a non-standard specimin...

KrazyHorse
01-04-2008, 04:51:13
Originally posted by TCO
Kitty!? Safety first.

Fuck safety. It's revenge of the nerds. We're taking the rest of you down with us.

Koshko
01-04-2008, 05:53:52
They're building one of those things underground at Argonne National Laboratory, which is only like 30 miles away from me.

No longer Trippin
01-04-2008, 06:45:18
If it makes you feel any better, I don't think the 30 miles matter if they are right.

Drekkus
01-04-2008, 08:10:33
Dark matter?

MoSe
01-04-2008, 08:13:16
Save the Cheeleader!

Aredhran
01-04-2008, 10:05:43
I live about 10 kilometers away from CERN and (the nearest part of) the LHC...

The nice thing is, I'll never have to worry about paying my mortgage if Geneva gets sucked into a black hole ;)

Aredhran
01-04-2008, 10:17:45
map

MDA
01-04-2008, 11:11:22
Preliminary analysis indicates that our rivals have developed a safe and reliable method to simulate conditions existing on the interior of a stellar mass. The fabrication and transmutation of materials possible in such an environment guarantees significant industrial and military applications. - Probe Team Operations Directorate, Top Secret Report

Cruddy
01-04-2008, 15:54:55
Huh. The real reason there are no intersteller civilizations is that it takes FAR too long to travel the distances by bicycle.

MDA
01-04-2008, 16:12:07
didn't they once think that detonating a nuclear bomb might ignite the earth's atmosphere and incinerate the entire planet?

might have just been Kansas that thought that, but I thought I read it somewhere

MoSe
01-04-2008, 16:15:37
they were ahead of their time:
they had envisioned Venom's farts to come!

MDA
01-04-2008, 16:25:18
http://www.xkcd.com/401/

are chimpcopters immune to hadrons?

Venom
01-04-2008, 16:57:24
Originally posted by MDA
didn't they once think that detonating a nuclear bomb might ignite the earth's atmosphere and incinerate the entire planet?

might have just been Kansas that thought that, but I thought I read it somewhere

I seem to recall that as well. They weren't exactly sure what would happen. I think I read that they thought it could cause a chain reaction and just start splitting atoms all over the place.

then again, I read at a 3rd grade level and there aren't many pop-up books on nuclear weapons. Which is a shame, because a pop-up mushroom cloud would be cool.

Scabrous Birdseed
01-04-2008, 17:04:32
Aren't you guys thinking of the solarbonite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Outer_Space)?

KrazyHorse
01-04-2008, 18:39:32
Originally posted by Aredhran
I live about 10 kilometers away from CERN and (the nearest part of) the LHC...

The nice thing is, I'll never have to worry about paying my mortgage if Geneva gets sucked into a black hole ;)

Then why didn't you speak up last summer when I asked if anybody lived near Geneva? I would've bought you a pint...

Venom
01-04-2008, 18:48:54
Because he hates you.

Vincent
01-04-2008, 18:53:14
tadaaaaaaaaa!

KrazyHorse
01-04-2008, 18:58:00
:cry:

The Mad Monk
01-04-2008, 19:12:25
Oh great. You made our resident mad scientist cry.

Where do you live again? I have to mark it down so I can stay outside the Minimum Safe Distance. :hmm:

KrazyHorse
01-04-2008, 22:24:12
There is no safe distance.

KrazyHorse
01-04-2008, 22:26:51
I live here:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.281394,-76.595272&spn=0.000918,0.001824&t=h&z=19

KrazyHorse
01-04-2008, 22:32:07
I think this is the building you use to get down into the ATLAS section of the LHC.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=46.23565,6.055492&spn=0.00164,0.003648&z=18

I could be wrong, though. My memory's a little hazy on the exact geography.

KrazyHorse
01-04-2008, 22:33:15
The picture they're showing in the article is from before they filled that room up with stuff. The detector now makes it impossible to snap a photo anything like that. It's actually sort of claustrophobic in there now.

DaShi
02-04-2008, 00:35:06
Oye, every time they build one of these things people get into a silly panic. Every single time.

LoD
02-04-2008, 08:41:27
Originally posted by MDA
Preliminary analysis indicates that our rivals have developed a safe and reliable method to simulate conditions existing on the interior of a stellar mass. The fabrication and transmutation of materials possible in such an environment guarantees significant industrial and military applications. - Probe Team Operations Directorate, Top Secret Report

:lol:

Aredhran
02-04-2008, 17:06:01
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Then why didn't you speak up last summer when I asked if anybody lived near Geneva? I would've bought you a pint...

Because last summer I was in the middle of building/renovating the house, moving to a appartment during the construction, and generally busy with work, so I stayed clear of CG for some months... Yes I know, :o

Sorry I missed the opportunity, would have loved to meet you and show you around. Next time maybe.

Aredhran
02-04-2008, 17:06:23
And by the way, look at the small print below my daughter's pic ;)

Vincent
02-04-2008, 17:43:43
Please be honest and tell him it's because you hate him

KrazyHorse
02-04-2008, 17:54:39
:cry:

Funko
03-04-2008, 09:46:02
If he'd known there was free beer available he'd have hidden his hatred for a night though. We all would.

Tizzy
03-04-2008, 09:49:06
There's a lot this forum would do for free beer

Funko
03-04-2008, 09:51:10
I get 5ml of beer for every post at Poly.

MoSe
03-04-2008, 11:25:32
Originally posted by DaShi
Oye, every time they build one of these things people get into a silly panic. Every single time.

mr_G's bridges?

Venom
03-04-2008, 11:46:38
Originally posted by Funko
I get 5ml of beer for every post at Poly.

Not enough for that punishment.

mr_B
03-04-2008, 13:27:30
Originally posted by MoSe
mr_G's bridges? jj

maroule
04-04-2008, 16:21:43
Originally posted by Aredhran
I live about 10 kilometers away from CERN and (the nearest part of) the LHC...

The nice thing is, I'll never have to worry about paying my mortgage if Geneva gets sucked into a black hole ;)


I don't know if Geneva is black, but it's definitly a hole

MoSe
04-04-2008, 16:29:38
the post also says "gets sucked"
did it happen to you there?

Greg W
31-03-2010, 13:37:35
Dammit! (http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/the-hadron-collider--made-simpler-20100331-re04.html)Even though particle collisions have been achieved before, yesterday marked the first time one had involved enough power to produce meaningful scientific results.

The first two protons hit each other with a total energy of seven trillion electron volts, sending sub-particles flying in every direction.

Four detectors positioned along the 27.kilometre underground track picked up these collision "events", providing readings which could rewrite the rules of physics once they have been analysed.

The successful collision also dispelled fears that the machine could endanger the Earth by creating black holes that were so strong they could suck in planets and stars:(

Dyl Ulenspiegel
31-03-2010, 13:50:14
Particular collusions (Higgs-Bossman), on the other hand....

Cheshire Cat
31-03-2010, 14:16:14
Dr Lyn Evans, a Welsh scientist who is the LHC project leader, said: "Today is the end of a very long road."

that's what we needed, a Welsh PL
hope she's high on brains

Drekkus
31-03-2010, 14:29:53
Maybe he didn't realise he was walking in a 27 km loop

Funko
31-03-2010, 14:32:34
How many times did he walk round I wonder.

MDA
31-03-2010, 15:24:24
Don't be silly, he was drinking wine straight from the bottle and driving a lawnmower.

Cheshire Cat
31-03-2010, 17:10:17
Faster Than Lawnmowers!

Cheshire Cat
31-03-2010, 17:13:27
I thought Lyn was a she

Welsh names, wel... shnames!

Drekkus
31-03-2010, 18:07:50
LHC project leaders must be ubergeeky nerds. so that excludes women.

mr_B
31-03-2010, 21:07:28
- WRONG

Koshko
01-04-2010, 02:44:38
So did they destroy the Universe yet?

MDA
01-04-2010, 11:02:15
They did, last week, but there's a time dilation effect that's kept it from reaching you. I died about 4 days before this posted.

paiktis
01-04-2010, 12:37:19
It's very nice on the other side

Provost Harrison
04-04-2010, 10:06:31
Our resident musicians here have now become accretion disc jockeys :D