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RedFred
18-03-2008, 03:38:50
It was Monday. Our national boss from Toronto, Dr. Evil, was in town checking up on us. Most of my collegues were sick or off on holidays or both.

Finally, one of the necessary evils of my job in consulting is that I have to account for my time at work in 6 minute increments. Today two separate people suggested to me that it would be better if I started accounting for time in 3 minute increments.

:cry:

JM^3
18-03-2008, 03:48:04
work twice as slow

JM

RedFred
18-03-2008, 04:10:05
Man, I so wish that would work. But we have to justify our time as well as track it...

Vincent
18-03-2008, 06:16:46
Stop complaining, Dilbert

Nav
18-03-2008, 09:56:55
So what's an average day? 4 hours work, 4 hours justifying that work?!

Funko
18-03-2008, 10:14:52
That is totally ridiculous. Put in 30 seconds every 3 minutes for "updating timesheet".

Nav
18-03-2008, 10:18:18
I thought it bad enough when I worked at an agency where I had to account down to 15mins.

MDA
18-03-2008, 10:56:48
I have to account down to 15 minutes, and I thought that was silly.

Shining1
18-03-2008, 10:59:02
That is ever so slightly preposterous. =/

Funko
18-03-2008, 11:04:14
Originally posted by MDA
I have to account down to 15 minutes, and I thought that was silly.

It is.

Tizzy
18-03-2008, 11:05:06
I'm going to have to start doing timesheets soon, which is a real pain.
I do so many tiny little jobs that it'll either be a complete estimate or I'll have to be counting in 2 minute blocks.

Nav
18-03-2008, 11:17:53
Personally I think accounting in 30 secs blocks is the way to go


11:14:00 - 11:14:30 - wrote cg post
11:14:30 - 11:15:00 - waited for thread list to load
11:15:00 - 11:15:30 - picked nose
11:15:30 - 11:16:00 - thought about work
11:16:00 - 11:16:30 - accounting for last 2 mins
11:16:30 - 11:17:00 - accounting for last 2 mins

MoSe
18-03-2008, 11:40:52
I think the BEST way to organise such work would be specialisation:

i.e.

one person works without interruptions
one person checks, tracks and logs the work the first person is doing, real time

I'd LOOOOVE to be the second person

Funko
18-03-2008, 11:42:39
Better to be the first person, any mistakes you make are the checking person's fault, 'cause they didn't spot them.

Tizzy
18-03-2008, 12:01:14
I think being either of those people would drive me crazy

MDA
18-03-2008, 12:50:21
I just fake it. The work gets done, I log it, and they at least know the total time it took me to do it, even if the exact times I logged the work during the workday aren't right. The metrics people lump it all together, and its the totals they're interested in anyway. Too bad that's not reflected in the way we're told to log time, but that's typical.

We don't even have customers we bill the time to, so its extra ridiculous.

RedFred
18-03-2008, 13:27:47
Here is an example. I get a voice message, so I call the client. I don't get through but the whole process takes 3 minutes. Hard to send them a bill for "attempted phone call".

Right. I am now off for another crappy day at work.

Funko
18-03-2008, 13:42:59
That's 3 minutes of your time, and should be billed. Fuck-em.

Lurker the Second
18-03-2008, 13:49:00
Time sheets are the bane of my existence. If I had to do them in 3 minute intervals, I'd have to find a different job.

I think for some people (depending on the nature of their job), keeping time in shorter intervals means more productivity (not that they do more, just that they bill more) because you are more inclined to bill for the "attempted call, left message" that takes one minute but counts as 3 minutes than you are to record the time and bill it if it counts as 6 minutes.

No matter how you look at it, though, time sheets suck.

Cruddy
18-03-2008, 13:54:02
Every time ANY boss has asked me to account for time - I quit.

When I'm at work, I work. When I'm not, I rest.

As far as I'm concerned it's both;-

a) An insult to my integrity.

b) A wimp arse easy job for a management arselick that can't find their own dick without a map.

Funko
18-03-2008, 13:57:03
That's a bit extreme. It's a bit of a pain but I don't mind accounting for time, it's a useful tool for management to work out how long projects are really taking so they know how accurate their time estimates and pricing were.

More accurate pricing -> more profit -> more money for me.

Cruddy
18-03-2008, 14:04:17
Yes. I am extreme when it comes to pride in my work.

Goes with the territory I guess.

Ah well.... time to cruise the job ads.

MDA
18-03-2008, 14:36:02
:lol: sounds like being self-employed would be the way to go for you

Funko
18-03-2008, 15:02:35
I don't see the relationship between not keeping timesheets and having pride in your work.

Funko
18-03-2008, 15:03:21
Really in a grown up environment timesheets are not supposed to be checking up that you are doing something, they are finding out what you are doing.

Nav
18-03-2008, 15:21:01
Originally posted by MDA
:lol: sounds like being self-employed would be the way to go for you Yeah if you're happy never billing anything. :D

Vincent
18-03-2008, 16:08:06
I got to report

1. My working hours / absence using SAP for my company
2. My billable hours using a PC application for my company
3. My billable hours for my resource manager using Excel
4 The hours in total I worked for my customer using an access application
5 The hours I worked for project A using a web application
6 The hours I worked for project B using Excel

Lurker the Second
18-03-2008, 17:13:30
You need to get an application to report how many hours you spend reporting hours.

Drekkus
18-03-2008, 22:41:01
I just made up about a dozen tasks that I need to have done by the end of the year. How, when and where is up to me. :D

VetLegion_
18-03-2008, 23:26:34
Wow, 6 minutes. That's terrible.

I had to account for time in a task tracker but the increments weren't predetermined. If I worked on something 47 minutes that is what I was supposed to put down. I usually rounded everything up to 15 minutes.

The Mad Monk
19-03-2008, 05:42:31
I swipe in at the start of the day, and swipe out at the end of the day. Sometimes I do that for lunch, but only if I leave the premises.

MoSe
19-03-2008, 16:18:32
a comedian on hour TV a few years ago

- And how's your new work, is it heavy?
- No, not at all. It's quit simple. I just have to swipe a badge twice a day. I just can't figure out WHY there must be EIGHT friggin' hours between the two swipes....

Funko
19-03-2008, 16:36:19
:lol: