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Debaser
17-01-2008, 08:57:43
Has anyone seen it? It's funny stuff. I'm not sure he makes a single sensible valid point anywhere, just babbles on like a brainwashed mad man. I don't think it's on YouTube anymore, but this is what he says:

"I think it's a privilege to call yourself a Scientologist and it's something you have to earn. And because a Scientologist does, he or she has the ability to create new and better realities, and improve conditions.

"Being a Scientologist you look at someone and you know absolutely that you can help them.so for me it really is KSW [Keeping Scientology Working] and it's just, like, it's something that I don't mince words with that, you know with anything. But that Policy [doctrine of founder, L.Ron Hubbard] with me has really gone, 'Boy'.

"There was a time I went through it, I said, you know what, when I read it, I just though 'Wooh' : this is it. This exactly it.

"Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident, it's not like anyone else, it's, you drive past, you know you have to do something about it. You know you are the only one who can really help. That's what drives me.

"I know that we have an opportunity and, er, to really help for the first time and effectively change people's lives, and I'm dedicated to that. I'm gonna, I'm absolutely, uncomprimisingly dedicated to that.

"Orgs [Scientology organisations, divided into complicated hierarchy of classes] are there to help, OK. But we, also as the public, we have a responsibility. It's not just the orgs. It's not just Dave Miscavige [church leader]. It's not just me. It's you. It's everybody out there. Re-reading KSW, and looking to see what needs to be done, saying Ok, am I going to do it, or am I not going to do it? Period. And am I going to look at that guy, or am I too afraid because I have my own ethics to put on someone else's ethics, because that is all it comes down to. I won't hesitate to putting ethics into someone else, because I put ethics ruthlessly in myself.

"And I think that I respect that in others, and, you know, I am there to help. We're here to help. My opinion is, look, you're either on board or you're not on board, OK? Which is it? If you're on board, you're on board, just like the rest of us. Period.

"We are the authorities on getting people off drugs. We are the authorities on the mind. We are the authorities on improving conditions. Criminon [sic]. We can rehabilitate criminals. We can bring peace and unite cultures. That once you know these tools and you know that they work, it's not good enough that I'm just doing Ok.

"Travelling the world and meeting the people that I've met, you know, talking with these leaders in various fields, [pause]they want help, and they are depending on people who know and who can be effective, and do it, and that's us. That is our responsibility to do that. It is the time now. Now is the time. It is being a Scientologist, people are turning to you, and you better know it, and if you don't, you know, go and learn it. [Laughs] but don't pretend you know it, or whatever.

"It's like, we're here to help. If you're a Scientologist, you see life, things, the way they are, in all it's glory, in all of it's perplexity, and the more you know as a Scientologist, the more you become overwhelmed by it. [Laughs again, clapping his hands]

"And [mumbling], they said, so 'Have you met an SP?' [Laughter]
"And I looked at them and I thought, what a beautiful thing, because, maybe, one day, it will be like that.

"Wow. SPs, they'll just read about them in the history books. I just go through that tech [technique], literally. It's not how to run from an SP. It's PTSP [potential trouble source person] - how to shatter or confront oppression. You apply it, then boom.

"Because they wouldn't do that to me, not to my face, or anywhere in my vicinity where they feel they could be confronted. I wish the world was a different place, I'd like to go on vacation, play, and just do that. Know what I mean? I mean that's how I want it to be. There's times I'd like to do that, but I can't because I know, I know, so, you know, I have to do something about it.

"It's not, you know, you can't sit here and wish it was different, and then, you look at it. And at that moment, I have to do something, don't I? Because I cannot live with myself if, and that [mumbles] I don't care whether someone thinks it's hard or it's easy. Because you're either helping and contributing everything you can, or you're not, ok?

Because you're carrying my load, all right, and as much as you're carrying, I still have got to do more. There's still a thing of 'let's go.'

"You can see the look in their eyes. You know the ones who are doing it, and you know the spectators, the ones who are going , 'Well, it's easy for you. That thing, I've cancelled that in my area. [Laughs] It's like, man, you're either in or you're out. That spectatorism, I've no time for it. That is something we have no time for now.

"So it's our responsibility to educate, create the new reality. We have that responsibility to say, hey, THIS is the way it should be done. We do it this way and people are actually getting better. Let's get it done. Let's get it really done

"Have enough love, compassion and toughness, that you're going to do it, and do it right.

"I have to tell you something. It really is, you know, it's rough and tumble. It's wild and woolly. It's a blast...it's a blast. It really is fun, because damit, there's nothing better than to going out there and fighting the fight and suddenly you see.

"I want to know that I've done everything I could every day I think of all those people out there who are depending on us. I think about it. It does make me feel we need more work, more help. Get those spectators on the playing field, or out of the arena. Really, that is how I feel about it. I do what I can, and I do it the way I do everything... there's nothing part of the way for me.

(Fades out as Cruise laughs )

Funko
17-01-2008, 09:06:03
Completely nuts.

C.G.B. Spender
17-01-2008, 09:26:19
He should post here

Funko
17-01-2008, 09:34:28
Well, I guess Poly might be a better fit.

C.G.B. Spender
17-01-2008, 09:39:02
He's too normal for that place.

Also he's like it here much better because he'd finally find what he looks for: 'Have you met an SP?'

maroule
17-01-2008, 09:53:26
'Have you met an SP?' [Laughter]

we laugh too at our SP, does it make us scientologists?

C.G.B. Spender
17-01-2008, 10:02:33
No, because "it's our responsibility to educate, create the new reality." doesn't fit at all

Nills Lagerbaak
17-01-2008, 12:07:10
I love it. I really want to see it. I heard it described as: complete nonsense interspersed with retarded clapping and demented laughing.

All accompanied by Mission Impossible riff on an electric guitar!

Awesome stuff.

Funko
17-01-2008, 12:08:56
It's still here:

http://defamer.com/344987/the-tom-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientologists-dont-want-you-to-see

C.G.B. Spender
17-01-2008, 12:13:01
That's good acting!
You'd never think he's an actor in real life

Nills Lagerbaak
17-01-2008, 12:13:50
Ah awesome. Let's hope it remains there till I get home!

Funko
17-01-2008, 12:19:08
I just watched it. It's just like you described.

maroule
17-01-2008, 12:40:45
It's like watching a David Lynch movie, couldn't understand a thing

Funko
17-01-2008, 12:41:26
He'd be a great Lynch character.

C.G.B. Spender
17-01-2008, 12:43:13
Talks like one and looks like one!

Greg W
17-01-2008, 12:47:38
Well, it is interesting, I will say that.

Vincent
17-01-2008, 18:45:08
so, what's his point?

Sir Penguin
17-01-2008, 20:02:02
That depends on how much money you have.

SP

MDA
18-01-2008, 18:02:41
one too many electroshock treatments

who needs perception altering drugs when you could be a scientologist instead?

Fergus & The Brazen Car
19-01-2008, 17:48:09
It's hard to take anyone seriously who genuinely espouses as absurd a credo as Scientology. Not surprisig that so many actors in the U.S. cling to it limpet-like, working in a make-believe industry which has so many lesbians and gay men playing heterosexuals and so many Canadians being mistaken for Americans.

Ranks for bonkersdom up there with Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnessing.

Immortal Wombat
19-01-2008, 22:48:08
Not at all like the more sensible religions.

Funko
21-01-2008, 09:20:55
Allegedly one of their strengths is getting people to admit all the bad stuff they've done, which they can later use as blackmail material, but they also aggressively defend the secrets of the church members. Like Cruise's gayness etc.

C.G.B. Spender
21-01-2008, 09:44:54
They didn't manage to defend the secret of his vast moroness though. Or ist it moronosity in that case?

MoSe
21-01-2008, 11:06:17
morondom? moronship?

C.G.B. Spender
21-01-2008, 11:08:48
Mo(ro)nstrosity

MDA
22-01-2008, 13:33:59
Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Not at all like the more sensible religions.


:lol:

Fergus & The Brazen Car
23-01-2008, 17:41:31
Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Not at all like the more sensible religions.


I think there's a sliding scale even in the collection of bizarre beliefs known collectively as religion.

If you're at all interested in early Christian sects, strange off-shoots of Islam or Buddhism or cargo-cults, then groups of believers such as the Antidicomarianites and Skoptses do indeed rank far higher on the scale of absurdity than say, Thomas Jefferson's brand of Unitarianism.

And at least with early Christianity (and other older belief systems) you could at least make the excuse that they didn't have Newton, Copernicus, Boyle, Descartes, Darwin et al, to provide some kind of explanation for the physical world.


No such excuses exist for the congerie of demento beliefs that is Scientology.

maroule
24-01-2008, 08:17:59
a shitload of educated, modern christians, and american ones in particular, believe in the rapture, the armaggedon, and are ready to put intense political pressure to see these beliefs mare "real" (aka the support of evangelists to Israel)

maroule
24-01-2008, 08:20:53
not even mentionning the amount of jews and christians believe in the litteral truth of the bible

one a slightly lesser wacko scale, we have our own defenders of the creationist doctrine here

so clearly it's not a case of scientific knowledge being available
religions are great because they giveyou a framework for everything (lifestyle, existentialist doubt, world view, human relations, etc.) Truth or reasonable doubt? not that comfortable.

The Mad Monk
26-01-2008, 09:29:25
Apparently, somebody has had enough (http://www.breitbart.tv/html/36094.html)

Funko
28-01-2008, 08:57:32
:beer:

protein
28-01-2008, 10:27:27
i don't really understand why if you are a member of, let's say, the catholic church, you will get a certain amount of respect for your 'faith' from governments, councils, other religions, law makers... but if you are a scientologist you don't.

there absolutely no evidence whatsoever for god, at all, nothing, ziltch, not a sausage, and yet people who blindly have faith in god and invisible spirit beings are allowed in places of authority!

why is the christian view of utterly absurd floating invisible beings any more valid than the scientology one? because it's older?

Debaser
28-01-2008, 10:28:30
Yes.

maroule
28-01-2008, 10:37:30
more stablished
and there's a body of thoughts/writing by very clever people behind it. Even if you (and I) wince at "angels" "miracles", etc., major philosophers have enriched Christianity/judaism/Islam.

Scientology has a Z grade sc fi writer. Intellectually/in terms of contents, it's very very poor.

Funko
28-01-2008, 10:42:02
Because it's older and has historically (in this country) been a major part of peoples lives and politics, and there are a much larger number of people who are Christians (or who say they are) than there are Scientologists. Purely from a selfish point of view politicians are happier pissing off a handful of Scientologist voters than they are pissing off several million voters.

Even in the last 50 years the influence of the church in life and politics has fallen dramatically, and I imagine it'll continue to do so.

Plus, it's close enough to the founding of Scientology that there hasn't been much time for the myth to grow. We don't really know who wrote the bible, for instance, but we know the guy who founded Scientology is a Science Fiction writer who apparently once said at a Sci Fi convention "You wanta make real money, you gotta start a religion!"

It could very easily be argued that The Catholic Church, with its views on contraception in Africa etc., is far more harmful than Scientology because of it's greater influence.

Kitsuki
28-01-2008, 10:47:02
I can't speak for the USA, but in the UK Scientology is banned as a religious organisation because it is treated as a trading organisation ("believers" apparently have to pay large amounts of money to move up the religion's rungs.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversies

At the end of the day, would you sign up to a religion where the founder was a sci-fi author....?

Kitsuki
28-01-2008, 10:49:19
Originally posted by Debaser

"Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident, it's not like anyone else, it's, you drive past, you know you have to do something about it. You know you are the only one who can really help. That's what drives me.


As opposed to, say, a doctor or a paramedic...

There are clips of this on The Late Edition's show last week - it's on Virgin on Demand.

MoSe
28-01-2008, 11:20:54
did we have any joke threads already about "Virgin on Demand"?

we could hijack this one

maroule
28-01-2008, 11:30:37
77 virgins on demand - just blow yourself up!

AlQ new streaming service

paiktis
28-01-2008, 14:38:05
i can see some people have a drive to do more etc and it's sad when they give up their intivinduality and let that drive be harvested and corrupted by money grabbing trade organizations posing as religions.

these organizations are a hit on people from the eastern block and it's no accident. when your whole world shatters you need something to cling to. it is for shattered people IMO. better play dungeons and dragons all day than that.

i think it has been disallowed in greece as well after some incident of documents leaking from a ministry by some scientologist. then again i have seen a bookshop about it on some street. maybe it's allowed as a bookshop but not as a religion. so it's probably undercover. the aliens have won.

Tau Ceti
28-01-2008, 14:48:54
Why do aliens use Korean currency? :drekkus:

paiktis
28-01-2008, 14:51:31
you've lost me in deep space

Fergus & The Brazen Car
28-01-2008, 14:57:09
Originally posted by protein
i don't really understand why if you are a member of, let's say, the catholic church, you will get a certain amount of respect for your 'faith' from governments, councils, other religions, law makers... but if you are a scientologist you don't.



The Roman Catholic Church has St Augustine of Hippo, Thomas Aquinas, Michelangelo and Mozart's Requiem.

Scientology has Tom Cruise, Kirsty Alley, John Travolta, 'Battlefield Earth' and L Ron Hubbard's 'novels'.

Case closed.

maroule
28-01-2008, 15:18:04
I kind of said that, but you did put it more eloquently

C.G.B. Spender
28-01-2008, 15:41:32
They also have a german pope!

MoSe
28-01-2008, 15:48:04
Originally posted by Fergus & The Brazen Car
The Roman Catholic Church has St Augustine of Hippo, Thomas Aquinas, Michelangelo and Mozart's Requiem.

Scientology has Tom Cruise, Kirsty Alley, John Travolta, 'Battlefield Earth' and L Ron Hubbard's 'novels'.

Case closed.

err... I presume with the above you're speaking in favor of Scientology, don't you?































































;)

King_Ghidra
28-01-2008, 15:48:26
Originally posted by C.G.B. Spender
They also have a german pope!

Case reopened!

C.G.B. Spender
28-01-2008, 15:57:53
Maybe Tom Cruise is german too and his real name is Thomas Kruse

Funko
28-01-2008, 16:58:28
Maybe the Catholic church helped L Ron Hubbard create Scientology to improve their image.

maroule
28-01-2008, 18:13:12
then they took this pope... doh!

Nills Lagerbaak
29-01-2008, 08:46:59
As far as I was aware Ron Hubbard wrote awesome music for the C64....Which in my book trumps Motzart quite nicely ;-)

C.G.B. Spender
29-01-2008, 09:01:52
Yeah. "Thing on a Spring". That's where he took the idea of scientology from

Fergus & The Brazen Car
29-01-2008, 14:08:51
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
Case reopened!

German ex-Nazi Pope. It probably helped him in his specialist field in the Vatican...


Oh, the Catholic Church also gets Raphael, Palestrina, Vivaldi and Bernini.


Still leading Scientology by quite some way in the culture wars....

Chris
29-01-2008, 14:11:46
It was described to me as 'Tom cruise is batshit crazy.'

Vincent
29-01-2008, 20:28:59
The pope is indeed worse than Werner von Braun, but less skilled in missile building.

protein
01-02-2008, 19:27:11
so the gyst of it is that christianity is more realistic because it was written longer ago and has more followers. it's a bit like saying a number one is a better song than a song that isn't in the charts. scientifically speaking, surely you have to agree they are both as far fetched?

maroule
01-02-2008, 22:00:27
well, it's like saying the Rolling Stones is a better group than Take That, because a bigger number of clever people have thought so over the years... now, followers of Take That can scream and shout it's good music as well, and that they deserve respect, but let's face it, they're shit brains.

Fistandantilus
02-02-2008, 18:00:00
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
As far as I was aware Ron Hubbard wrote awesome music for the C64....Which in my book trumps Motzart quite nicely ;-)

I always said Nills rules.

protein
02-02-2008, 18:29:58
lots of clever people said the world was flat. we're allowed to laugh at that. we're not allowed to laugh at the absurdities of christianity though.

Funko
04-02-2008, 08:57:59
Originally posted by protein
so the gyst of it is that christianity is more realistic because it was written longer ago and has more followers. it's a bit like saying a number one is a better song than a song that isn't in the charts. scientifically speaking, surely you have to agree they are both as far fetched?

Well, I can only speak for myself, but personally I wasn't saying it was more realistic, just explaining why people tend to take Christianity more seriously.

I think both concepts are equally ridiculous.

Kitsuki
04-02-2008, 10:02:56
Originally posted by Vincent
The pope is indeed worse than Werner von Braun, but less skilled in missile building.

"How many divisions does the pope have?"

- Stalin

maroule
04-02-2008, 11:20:01
Originally posted by protein
lots of clever people said the world was flat.

not after it was proved otherwise. Afterwards, only morons still believed it. And yes, only morons believe the Bible is litteral truth.

my point was to look at the fan base: since scientologists are either morons, or crooks, it can't be taken seriously. Christiniaty has legions of morons, but a lot of bright, educated & honest people. I can't believe scientology will ever be able to build such a fan base.

Funko
04-02-2008, 12:02:57
Actually, very few people ever said the world was flat, the argument with Columbus was about how big the earth was, not whether it was flat or not. It's a well propogated 19th Century myth.

It's only ever been a few nutters who thought it was flat. The ancient greeks and egyptians knew the world wasn't flat.

http://www.bede.org.uk/flatearth.htm

Drekkus
04-02-2008, 12:46:45
Originally posted by protein
lots of clever people said the world was flat. we're allowed to laugh at that. we're not allowed to laugh at the absurdities of christianity though. Scientology needs some enlightement. Did wonders for christianity.

TCO
10-02-2008, 21:28:36
The Cruise video is beautiful.