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Beta1
15-08-2007, 18:02:41
Got my insurance through, want to spend about Ģ5-6K. Looking for a smallish hatch back. Used to have a 1.4 2001 3dr civic. Could go with another of the same but they are pretty expensive.

Considering a Honda Jazz if I can find the SE or sports with a decent mileage.

Might go and look at the new grande punto as you can get a 18month old new shape one cheaply.

Toyota Yaris is another possibility

Any thoughts/suggestions?

Venom
15-08-2007, 18:04:09
I don't know anything about the gaytwat cars you are apparently looking at.

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-08-2007, 19:13:53
In that size range the Suzuki Swift is reckoned to be excellent. The Toyota and Honda are a bit pricier for what you get, though the Yaris diesel does some insane mpg figures.

Never, I repeat, never buy a Fiat. Their reliability is awful.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-08-2007, 19:15:29
Hmm... aren't the grande punto and the civic half a class above the Jazz and yaris?

Considered Peugeot 206 or 307, or a Mazda3?

As for Venom, sure, those cars would fit into you, not vice versa.

Venom
15-08-2007, 19:45:40
Fat people are the biggest planet rapers.

This bumper sticker brought to you by Venom Enterprises.

Beta1
15-08-2007, 19:48:53
Theres not much to choose between a 3dr civic and a 5dr jazz in terms of length, the old style 3dr civic looks great though - just love the clean shape. never seen a grande punto in the flesh, it just ends up in the same price bracket. Though thanks to Laz i wont be looking at that one.

Am currently driving a very very nice 307 diesel courtesy car but the new models are waay out of my price range and the old one is not sop nice ( I think)

206 is maybe a little small for me (I'm over 6' at my girlf is close 6' too). I like the new 207 but out of price range again. Just seen the rather bonkers 1007 with the sliding doors

I would lile a swift but with '05 the earliest model they are too expensive

Mazda 3 looks great but a bit too pricey.

Also looking for a low insurance group as after this year (3 points and two prangs - only one my fault) things are going to get expensive.

whats the SEAT ibiza/leon like?

Got to look at the Ford focus/fusion too. And just realised a merc A class is just affordable second hand too

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-08-2007, 19:58:09
How old can it be?

Zopperoni
15-08-2007, 20:04:19
One of my ex-colleagues drove a Seat Leon as a temporary company car. He said it has all the works for a reasonable price, but it drives shit.

Definitely have a look at the Ford Focus. It looks pretty dull, but it's a decent drive for a very decent price (compared to its main competitors the Vauxhall Astra and the VW Golf).

Have a go at the Alfa Romeo 147 too. It would've been my company car of choice if I didn't quit :)

Beta1
15-08-2007, 20:06:15
depends on the car I guess - and whether I like the new model or the old one. generally looking at 2002 onwards. I would take an older honda or toyota over a newer ford or vauxhall etc. THings like the honda Jaz just don't break down and at 50 mpg dont need filling up much either...

just seen theres a lot of high spec fairly low mileage ford focus on the market round here.

2004 1.6 zetec models (thats the new body) with 20-30K miles, at less than Ģ6000 and thats without any effort shopping around.

insurance group 6, 40+ mpg.

Thats going to be hard to beat.

Zopperoni
15-08-2007, 20:07:28
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Never, I repeat, never buy a Fiat. Their reliability is awful.
I don't think it's too bad nowadays. My dad has had two minor faults w/ his Fiat over the last eight years. I had two minor faults on my old VW in less than eight days :lol:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-08-2007, 20:34:08
Originally posted by Beta1
Am currently driving a very very nice 307 diesel courtesy car but the new models are waay out of my price range and the old one is not sop nice ( I think)


The 307 has been built since 2001 or 02. The 2002/03 should be about your price range. Maybe even the SW, lots of space.

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-08-2007, 21:36:48
Originally posted by Zopperoni
One of my ex-colleagues drove a Seat Leon as a temporary company car. He said it has all the works for a reasonable price, but it drives shit.


What was he driving before? A Ferrari?

I drove a Leon for three years. They aren't as bulletproof reliable as the Japanese brands, but they are good to drive- they're only cosmetically different from Golfs, but considerably cheaper.

Asher
15-08-2007, 22:33:20
Can a car with a non-rotary 1.4L engine be considered a real, genuine car, or a supersized go-kart?

Venom
15-08-2007, 23:58:26
I'm pretty sure the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo is a 1.4L car and that car can whip some ass.

Venom
16-08-2007, 00:00:31
Ok. I was wrong. Any car with a 1.4L engine is indeed not a car.

Oerdin
16-08-2007, 05:00:51
Around here those little cars wouldn't last 10 minutes. They'd become hood ornaments on the front of some fat woman's giant SUV.

Beta1
16-08-2007, 06:42:40
around here a giant SUV would bankrupt you within about 3 months.

Re: 307 - Was not so impressed by the looks of the old 307.

Think I'll go and have a look at a few dealers today.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
16-08-2007, 07:15:55
Originally posted by Venom
Ok. I was wrong. Any car with a 1.4L engine is indeed not a car.

VW has a 1.4 l TSI motor with about 140 german HP, I think that's about 160 US HP. Enough to go 90 km/h.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
16-08-2007, 07:17:17
Originally posted by Beta1
around here a giant SUV would bankrupt you within about 3 months.

Re: 307 - Was not so impressed by the looks of the old 307.

Think I'll go and have a look at a few dealers today.

I'm not sure what you have in mind with the "old 307". The 307 is the current model, before 2001 it was the 306, and next year the 308 will be released. So if you have driven a 307, there is no "old" 307 in the sense of an earlier model.

Drekkus
16-08-2007, 07:38:52
Originally posted by Zopperoni
One of my ex-colleagues drove a Seat Leon as a temporary company car. He said it has all the works for a reasonable price, but it drives shit.

Definitely have a look at the Ford Focus. It looks pretty dull, but it's a decent drive for a very decent price (compared to its main competitors the Vauxhall Astra and the VW Golf).

Have a go at the Alfa Romeo 147 too. It would've been my company car of choice if I didn't quit :) I drove a focus for 5 years, not one single problem ever.

I do like my S-Max better though. :D

C.G.B. Spender
16-08-2007, 07:41:30
The old 307 was Columbo's 403, including that funny dog

Dyl Ulenspiegel
16-08-2007, 07:42:17
I guess Columbo's Peugeot Cabrio should be woth quite a lot as an oldtimer.

C.G.B. Spender
16-08-2007, 07:44:51
Beware, the corpse of Mrs. Columbo is in the trunk

Beta1
16-08-2007, 08:10:36
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
I'm not sure what you have in mind with the "old 307". The 307 is the current model, before 2001 it was the 306, and next year the 308 will be released. So if you have driven a 307, there is no "old" 307 in the sense of an earlier model.

According to top gear test drives there was a new range of 307s in 05 - although looking at it in more detail I think your right - the car is the same but there were new engines/interior options.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
16-08-2007, 08:34:04
They did a facelift in 2004 or so, and you get some changes in options, engines etc almost every model year. But it's the same model - if you liked it, look at the offerings.

Two friends of mine have the 307SW. The first two years (IIRC up to mid 2003) had a few problems though; later on quite reliable.

Btw, funny what you can find on wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_307

Venom
16-08-2007, 12:00:56
VWs are women's cars. Like purses with wheels.

Beta1
16-08-2007, 14:12:38
had a look at a 3dr 307 - quite nice but the fittings seem a little flimsy.

Looked at a megane - liked the inside, not so sure about the outside.

Focus ghia - didn't like the interior

Focus Zetec - nice but no a.c.

Normal focus - probably the best of the lot

Fiesta - small but really nifty semi-auto gearbox would want to try that out before parting with any cash.

Fusion - interesting - like a focus on steroids

Cute little jaz - no CD player and non standard fitting so not easily replaceable

5 dr civic - waaay to long. Looks more like a MPV than a hatch

MOBIUS
16-08-2007, 15:45:11
I was thinking I might go LPG with my next car...

Oh and A/C and a MP3.

Asher
17-08-2007, 02:34:04
Mazda3 rocks.

Asher
17-08-2007, 02:34:42
Mind you, the 2.3L model I have was deemed too dangerous for European drivers, and thus not available over there.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
17-08-2007, 08:42:13
:lol:
And that from the land of the 55mph highways.

MOBIUS
17-08-2007, 09:08:11
Toronto to Montreal has to be one of the most boring roads I have ever had the misfortune to drive along...

Dyl Ulenspiegel
17-08-2007, 09:21:46
But you didn't have a 2.3l Mazda3!!!!

MOBIUS
17-08-2007, 09:42:33
Damn, I knew I was doing something wrong!

MoSe
17-08-2007, 09:47:01
Originally posted by Zopperoni
Have a go at the Alfa Romeo 147 too. It would've been my company car of choice if I didn't quit :)

That would be a downgrade for Beta

MattHiggs
17-08-2007, 10:00:36
Originally posted by Venom
VWs are women's cars. Like purses with wheels.

FUCK YOU! :shoot:

Beta1
17-08-2007, 10:19:31
ended up with a 3 dr toyota corrolla

Looks like the old civic on steroids.

Venom
17-08-2007, 11:41:42
Originally posted by MattHiggs
FUCK YOU! :shoot:

I said it just for you.

MDA
17-08-2007, 11:56:24
Originally posted by Beta1
ended up with a 3 dr toyota corrolla

Looks like the old civic on steroids.

does it come with a flux capacitor?

C.G.B. Spender
17-08-2007, 11:57:01
Cars are for lesser men

Asher
18-08-2007, 01:41:57
Originally posted by MOBIUS
Toronto to Montreal has to be one of the most boring roads I have ever had the misfortune to drive along...
You've clearly never driven Winnipeg to Regina.

notyoueither
18-08-2007, 02:26:46
I was going to say something to that effect.

Asher
18-08-2007, 19:10:49
I've done the trans-Canada drive three times now. It gets more thrilling each time I pass through Manitoba and Saskatchewan.

MDA
20-08-2007, 12:32:46
Geshundhiet!

Oerdin
20-08-2007, 14:40:03
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
:lol:
And that from the land of the 55mph highways.

I know news takes its time to reach Austria but it has been a decade.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
20-08-2007, 14:48:59
A decade since a few areas went to 65mph, or what?

Oerdin
20-08-2007, 15:07:32
It's 70 in rural areas, 65 in suburban areas, and 55 in urban areas. Montana used to have no posted speed limit but the anti-car Nazis finally bagged them and now their doing the above.

I did have the pleasure of driving on a freeway in Montana in 1996 when it was then known as the American Autobahn. There is nothing like driving 100mph past a cop and not getting a ticket. :cool:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
20-08-2007, 15:11:15
70 in some rural areas? WOW.
No limit in all of Montana, for a short time? WOW.

When we were in California/Nevada last year, it was mostly 55 with a few patches of 65 inbetween, hardly noteworthy.

Oerdin
20-08-2007, 15:17:13
It's mostly 65 and 70 with a few patches of 55. Of course that depends on where you go.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
20-08-2007, 15:25:21
I think we did about 2000 miles or so. Where are all those 65/70 tracks?

MDA
20-08-2007, 15:37:39
non-urban areas of the midwest

Lurker the Second
20-08-2007, 15:44:51
The long stretches of the interstate system are almost invariably 65-75. They often lower the limit to 55 in "congested" areas, though, which can be fairly extensive around some cities. I don't think any state is still stuck on 55 as a statewide limit, but I could be wrong about that.

The other thing to keep in mind is that you almost never get ticketed on the interstate system for going less than 10 mph over the limit. Some states (New Jersey seems to be one) give you even more leeway. Traffic on the major NJ "uncongested" :lol: roads routinely flows between 75 and 80 despite 65 mph speed limits. You generally have to be driving like an ass or get a trooper on a really bad day to get a ticket for going less than 80.

Venom
20-08-2007, 16:30:21
During rush hour the big highways here are the same way. I was doing 80 the other day and a trooper just rolled on past me.

Caligastia
20-08-2007, 20:47:28
I hear the cops are pricks about speeding in PA though.

MOBIUS
20-08-2007, 20:58:03
Cops looked like pricks in NJ - looked like crocs waiting on the side of the river bank ready to jump in and strike!

Key West had a dummy in a patrol car - I kid you not!

And the Indian reservation police in AZ are very nice as they clocked me speeding in the Navajo area and let me off with a written warning...:beer:

mr_B
20-08-2007, 21:02:27
you are kidding

MOBIUS
20-08-2007, 21:11:02
All true!:)

mr_B
20-08-2007, 21:29:38
Originally posted by mr_B
you are kidding

paiktis
20-08-2007, 23:30:49
hear the word of the street and of countless hardcore mechanics.
Forget statistics and tables and charts and crap.

All new cars are reliable. And Fiat.

Now to slight specifics, pros and cons

Fiat. They are less reliable than other cars but you won't feel the difference except when compared with a toyota. Plus italian finess. You can't beat that no matter how you try AND spare parts are the cheapest of them ALL. Why pay double the price for everything??


Toyota. The dog. It won't break down it won't have anything wrong happen to it. It's a dog. BUT toyota yaris looks like a bug with those lights and is more expensive. But you do get what you pay for.


Stay away from french cars. They are thieves with spare parts, the most expensive in europe and they are far less reliable than the japanese. but they do have style but they come second after the italians anyway so why bother. (although that 206 sporting is mmmmm but anyway)

Honda. I won't say because i dont know.

Ford - too expensive spare parts

BUT why not look at opel astra at 1.4 liters? They are definitely one of the best in all aspects although the spare parts can be somewhat expensive. A very good choice although at a slightly bigger category.

paiktis
20-08-2007, 23:46:29
if you want reliability more than style go with the yaris though. It is the best choice. One notch up in category, the choice is opel astra.
if you want style go italian. if you want style and are insane go french.
thus spoke zarapaiktis

Beta1
21-08-2007, 06:43:10
except for the fact that its too small and my mother in law drives one.

Last time I drove one it couldn't get up the hills around lyme regis with two people and a suitcase in it.

The Astra is nice I just don't like the rear end.

mr_B
21-08-2007, 08:32:12
Originally posted by Asher
Mind you, the 2.3L model I have was deemed too dangerous for European drivers :lol: :lol:

o/c o/c we rather buy a safe porsche 911 or a ferrari

mr_B
21-08-2007, 08:33:02
Originally posted by Beta1
and my mother in law drives one.
GOOD POINT!!

Drekkus
21-08-2007, 09:02:45
Or ride a train like that insane mrbain

MDA
21-08-2007, 11:11:42
Originally posted by Caligastia
I hear the cops are pricks about speeding in PA though.

- FACT! Expensive too.

Lurker the Second
21-08-2007, 14:53:17
Yeah, I usually keep it under 75 in PA, under 80 in NJ (w/65 as the speed limit).

Asher
21-08-2007, 23:42:28
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
70 in some rural areas? WOW.
No limit in all of Montana, for a short time? WOW.

When we were in California/Nevada last year, it was mostly 55 with a few patches of 65 inbetween, hardly noteworthy.

Why the fuck are you proud? Do you forget you come from a shit country that can't win any wars?

This is why you can't have nice things.

Asher
21-08-2007, 23:43:51
Originally posted by mr_B
:lol: :lol:

o/c o/c we rather buy a safe porsche 911 or a ferrari
If only those existed over here. :( Are they nice cars?

Vincent
22-08-2007, 05:45:56
no

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 07:32:34
Originally posted by Asher
Why the fuck are you proud?

Proud of what, my little troll?

C.G.B. Spender
22-08-2007, 07:39:47
Proud of your big dick!

Drekkus
22-08-2007, 07:48:38
Grosse Schwanz!!

C.G.B. Spender
22-08-2007, 07:51:33
Hurra! Hurra! Hurra!

Funko
22-08-2007, 08:03:07
Originally posted by Asher
If only those existed over here. :( Are they nice cars?

Porche 911 is nice if you are a complete tosser working in The City* in the 80s.

A ferrari is nice if you like your car being vandalised / pissed in every time you park it on the street. But get a red one not yellow or nerdy ACOL posters will shout abuse at you.


*as in, the bit of London called The City.

C.G.B. Spender
22-08-2007, 08:07:18
I saw a drab green Porsche here. Kinda cool, looked like an army truck

Drekkus
22-08-2007, 08:08:48
Originally posted by Funko
Porche 911 is nice if you are a complete tosser working in The City* in the 80s.

A ferrari is nice if you like your car being vandalised / pissed in every time you park it on the street. But get a red one not yellow or nerdy ACOL posters will shout abuse at you.


*as in, the bit of London called The City. You sir, are just jealous.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 08:09:30
A long long time ago, my uncle had a frog-green Opel Manta. Looked like a dead frog on wheels.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 08:10:23
Originally posted by Drekkus
You sir, are just jealous.

Why the fuck are you proud?

mr_B
22-08-2007, 08:13:06
a long time ago I WAS YOUNG

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 08:14:30
and small

C.G.B. Spender
22-08-2007, 08:14:59
and fab

Funko
22-08-2007, 08:16:23
If I had enough money to get a Porche 911 or a Ferarri I'd get an Aston Martin instead.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 08:17:18
Or a Bentley estate.

Funko
22-08-2007, 08:27:37
Any car with a driver... that'd be handy.

Drekkus
22-08-2007, 08:29:03
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
Why the fuck are you proud? Of what, my little Tiroler?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 08:53:17
Of your ferrari van!

C.G.B. Spender
22-08-2007, 08:56:16
In Holland it's "van Ferrarij"

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 08:56:54
btw, a propos Bentley: We have the wrong jobs...

Funko
22-08-2007, 08:58:17
:lol:

Venom
22-08-2007, 12:37:25
Bentley's suck. I'd drive an Aston Martin Vanquish though.

Oerdin
22-08-2007, 15:15:01
Maybe a nice Corolla. Sure, they're boring and won't get you laid but it simply has to have more going for it then the rollerskates you're looking at.

Funko
22-08-2007, 15:27:46
The car market is entirely different in Europe. That size car is probably the most common you'll see.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 15:52:11
Originally posted by Oerdin
Maybe a nice Corolla. Sure, they're boring and won't get you laid but it simply has to have more going for it then the rollerskates you're looking at.

Bentley, Aston Martin, ferrari are rollerskaters?

Corollas are for teachers.

Funko
22-08-2007, 16:09:21
Beta1 is a teacher! Sorted!

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 16:15:19
Hmm... a PH or an Oerdin?

Funko
22-08-2007, 16:16:20
They are the same thing. :(

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 16:22:19
Hmm... I thought an Oerdin is the simpler version of a PH.

Tizzy
22-08-2007, 16:24:06
It's basically the same, but usually without the :p or ;)

Oerdin
22-08-2007, 16:24:45
:o

Asher
22-08-2007, 16:57:57
You tosser-wanker hybrids are pathetic!

Bentleys and Astin Martins? Do you enjoy driving boats on land, too, you fucking tosser-wanker hybrids!

Tosser-wanker hybrids, all of you!

Venom
22-08-2007, 17:22:23
The Bentley is a boat. That's why it sucks. The Vanquish is a smooth machine.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 17:51:49
A fucking sucking boat!

Oerdin
22-08-2007, 18:21:37
don't bemoan having to drive a eurotwat-mobile. Revel in it and buy one of these:

http://www.neatorama.com/images/2006-08/peel-trident-worst-car-ever-made.jpg

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 18:29:15
Twatmobile!

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 18:31:30
Here's the mating-frogs-car:

http://www.automotoportal.com/media/images/vijesti/060818005.3_mn.jpg

Oerdin
22-08-2007, 18:35:00
Proof that FIAT should have been allowed to die years ago.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-08-2007, 18:55:23
At least AMC had the decency to die (or to become part of Chrysler's carcass, IIRC).

http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/a/622c7cae80d934b16bae20176db175fa.jpg

Oerdin
22-08-2007, 19:58:17
Ahh... The classic AMC Pacer. Still, at least it was a step up from the entry level AMC Gremlin. All the bikini clad blond models in the world couldn't make that car sexy.

http://www.decodesystems.com/gremlin-premier.jpg

Oerdin
22-08-2007, 20:02:06
When I was in high school one of my friends had an early 70's, baby poop green, AMC Matador. What a lumbering piece of shit that was. As I recall we were driving to school one day and he happened to jerk the steering wheel a bit to hard causing the whole steering wheel to break off in his hands. Ahh, glory days. :lol:

Asher
23-08-2007, 00:31:09
Originally posted by Venom
The Bentley is a boat. That's why it sucks. The Vanquish is a smooth machine.

While the Vanquish does look cool, it's fucking 3,300 pounds.

A Porsche 911 is 2,700 pounds.

Vanquish is a boat.

Venom
23-08-2007, 02:52:13
I want a little weight when I crash into another car.

Oerdin
23-08-2007, 04:52:11
Get one of these and let the Eurotwat-mobiles run away in fear.

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11449673/Armored_2006_Suburban_B6.jpg

Nothing like a gas guzzling 5.7L V-8 powered SUV to strike fear into the hearts of environmentalists every where.

Vincent
23-08-2007, 04:55:12
thatīs one ugly car

MoSe
23-08-2007, 06:47:10
Originally posted by Asher
driving boats on land, too,

I wonder whether you have there the same Q8 gasoline commercial we get here

:lol:

Oerdin
23-08-2007, 07:05:38
Originally posted by Vincent
thatīs one ugly car

So are you but we don't complain. Show a little respect. :p

C.G.B. Spender
23-08-2007, 07:07:42
It's because you're all too dumb to complain

Funko
23-08-2007, 08:19:18
Originally posted by Oerdin
Get one of these and let the Eurotwat-mobiles run away in fear.

Nothing like a gas guzzling 5.7L V-8 powered SUV to strike fear into the hearts of environmentalists every where.

You'd never be able to park it anywhere.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
23-08-2007, 08:20:57
You can just park it on other cars.

Funko
23-08-2007, 08:24:39
Just get one of these:

http://www.army.mod.uk/img/equipment/challenger2.jpg

Oerdin
23-08-2007, 09:33:22
Originally posted by Funko
You'd never be able to park it anywhere.

Bullshit! You simply ram everything else until they get out of the way. That's what the massive steel bumpers are for.

Funko
23-08-2007, 09:51:22
According to my calculations... that beast would cost you ÂĢ1 ($2) per 4.5 miles of town driving just in petrol.

C.G.B. Spender
23-08-2007, 09:52:38
But who's driving just in petrol?

Funko
23-08-2007, 10:02:28
Justin Petrol does not have a chauffeur.

MoSe
23-08-2007, 11:18:09
when he really needs one, he asks his gardener to drive him, Justin Case

MoSe
23-08-2007, 11:18:58
man, I stooped even below my own standards

Venom
23-08-2007, 11:40:50
Petrol? Huh?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
23-08-2007, 15:47:01
Petrol in your veins
or Gas in your intestine

notyoueither
24-08-2007, 06:43:47
Originally posted by Oerdin
Ahh... The classic AMC Pacer. Still, at least it was a step up from the entry level AMC Gremlin. All the bikini clad blond models in the world couldn't make that car sexy.

Gremlin's kick ass.

Oerdin
24-08-2007, 13:48:56
I was shocked to learn that some people actually tried to race Gremlins. They'd put giant V-8s in those little cars and see how fast they could do a standing quarter mile.

http://www.planethoustonamx.com/press_photos/booth_launching.jpg

Lazarus and the Gimp
24-08-2007, 14:26:21
Originally posted by paiktis
hear the word of the street and of countless hardcore mechanics.
Forget statistics and tables and charts and crap.

All new cars are reliable. And Fiat.



Hear the word of someone who has owned three Fiats. They're awful.

In two years of owning a Fiat Tipo, I got through three speedometers and seven clutch cables.

Beta1
24-08-2007, 15:30:48
7 clutch cables??????

MoSe
24-08-2007, 15:38:06
he's clutching at cables to prove his point....

the speedometer is the size of his bath costume

Venom
24-08-2007, 15:52:43
Bath costume?

:lol:

MoSe
24-08-2007, 16:29:36
what a fuss for a missing -ing (http://www.answers.com/topic/swimsuit-bathing-suit-swimming-costume-bathing-costume)

paiktis
24-08-2007, 19:54:11
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Hear the word of someone who has owned three Fiats. They're awful.

In two years of owning a Fiat Tipo, I got through three speedometers and seven clutch cables.

Well that's why I said new cars. (puntos, stilos, bravos) Tipos were indeed a "bad crop" and had too many problems.
However you can't pass the fact that the spare parts are very cheap indeed.

Oerdin
24-08-2007, 20:43:54
Mostly due to the abundance of broken down late model FIATs being used as donor cars.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-08-2007, 20:54:51
FIAT - Fehler In Allen Teilen.

Lazarus and the Gimp
24-08-2007, 22:35:15
Originally posted by Beta1
7 clutch cables??????

Yep. They lasted about 4 months, on average. I used to carry a spare clutch cable around at all times- until I came to my sense and traded the fucker in for a Nissan Micra.

They had their good points. All the bodywork was galvanised, which made them utterly impervious to rust. Unfortunately that also meant that the small hatchback weighed about the same as the average 3-bedroom house.

Oerdin
25-08-2007, 01:36:19
I knew a guy in the army about 10 years ago who drove an old 80's FIAT 124 spyder. The thing was half bondo and was a total rust bucket. He used to joke that FIATs came with factory installed rust.

At least they learned to fix that problem.