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Funko
13-08-2007, 13:08:45
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6943667.stm

Annual leave days:

Denmark 39.5
Austria 38
Sweden 36
Slovakia 35
Luxembourg 35
France 35
Germany 34-39
Portugal 34
Czech Republic 33
Slovenia 33
Italy 32
Spain 32
Greece 32
Poland 31
Finland 31
Bulgaria 31
Belgium 30
Hungary 30
Romania 30
Ireland 29
Netherlands 28-29
UK 28

39.5 days off? How do you even use that many? That's like having 4 day weeks? Lazy bastards.

Chris
13-08-2007, 13:09:37
Slackers

Funko
13-08-2007, 13:11:10
We'll only get 28 days in 2009.

ps.

Despite being bottom of the EU holiday league, the UK is still well ahead of many other developed nations.

In Canada and Japan, workers are guaranteed only 10 days of paid leave per year while the USA does not have any legal minimum for paid leave.

King_Ghidra
13-08-2007, 13:15:14
this explains why some people post very infrequently

Drekkus
13-08-2007, 13:15:22
I only get 25 :(

Funko
13-08-2007, 13:16:25
But it says: Netherlands 28-29

Funko
13-08-2007, 13:18:29
I get 25 but I can 'buy' up to 3 extra days if I want (basically they'd be unpaid).

Dyl Ulenspiegel
13-08-2007, 13:25:50
The usual number gibven here is 37 (25 leave, 12 public holidays).

C.G.B. Spender
13-08-2007, 13:28:16
They get 5 more holidays in Bavaria. Important stuff like Assumption of Mary next Wednesday

Dyl Ulenspiegel
13-08-2007, 13:29:25
"... and up goes Mary"

C.G.B. Spender
13-08-2007, 13:31:11
Booze and Bedtag

Funko
13-08-2007, 13:31:24
So is that number including public holidays then? In that case I'd get 33. Hmm.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
13-08-2007, 13:32:32
"So is that number including public holidays then?"

Definately yes.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
13-08-2007, 13:33:18
Originally posted by C.G.B. Spender
Booze and Bedtag

We should combine it into Mariae Butterfahrt.

C.G.B. Spender
13-08-2007, 13:34:30
Not to mention happy cadaver

Funko
13-08-2007, 13:36:27
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
"So is that number including public holidays then?"

Definately yes.

Bloody misleading BBC.

C.G.B. Spender
13-08-2007, 13:36:56
Liars

Scabrous Birdseed
13-08-2007, 13:41:53
Definately including holidays. Sweden has 25 days of regular paid leave, five work weeks.

Funko
13-08-2007, 13:44:36
It does make sense, because we have to take the EU minimum 20 days and add it to our public holidays (8) to make 28 days.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
13-08-2007, 13:46:06
So why would it rise to 24 days, according to that artcile? Doesn't make sense from front to end. Typical retarded journalist scum.

Funko
13-08-2007, 13:46:31
They are doing it in installments, rising to 24 then to 28.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
13-08-2007, 13:49:11
Then they should not have "28" in that table.

Funko
13-08-2007, 13:51:04
Indeed. The BBC really are getting shitter and shitter. It's disappointing.

Scabrous Birdseed
13-08-2007, 13:53:12
Anyway, there is a problem because Swedish public holidays aren't when they fall on weekends, so it should be a variable number not a set one.

Funko
13-08-2007, 13:54:43
Dammit. Can we at least agree that the Danes are Lazy?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
13-08-2007, 13:55:25
The Danes are so lazy, they don't even deserve a dutch bridge.

Drekkus
13-08-2007, 14:07:35
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
"So is that number including public holidays then?"

Definately yes. Are you sure? You should take into account the number of free days teachers get, bank personel get and people with 36 hour weeks that work 40 hours. Then the number of free days rises pretty fast.

C.G.B. Spender
13-08-2007, 14:11:18
I'm pretty sure he range for Germany comes from the different local holidays.

Funko
13-08-2007, 14:11:25
Drekkus: This is the legal minimum, not the maximum. So for dutchland they are saying 20 days + 8 or 9 public holidays. 20 days is the EU minimum.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
13-08-2007, 14:14:57
Originally posted by Drekkus
Are you sure? You should take into account the number of free days teachers get, bank personel get and people with 36 hour weeks that work 40 hours. Then the number of free days rises pretty fast.

Whatever source they used, I very strongly doubt that they managed to construct a weighted average of holidays across sectors for several dozens of countries. Such data is usually compiled by some econ guys on a very, very superficial basis.

Provost Harrison
13-08-2007, 17:45:57
They should put the US on that chart :lol:

shagnasty
13-08-2007, 18:12:04
Bah. Tis all bollox. I only get 20 days leave. I have to work public holidays unless I can get someone to cover the shift, then I only get paid for the shift if I actually do the swine.

The Shaker
13-08-2007, 19:20:15
I get 39.5, which makes me top of the table....YAAAAR

zmama
14-08-2007, 02:57:20
plus baby days ? ;)

Greg W
14-08-2007, 03:14:41
I get 25 days leave (though 20 is the norm) plus 10 public holidays.

Oh, and on top of that I get 13 days unpaid leave (1 per 4 week roster).

The Shaker
14-08-2007, 17:58:21
Beta's a teacher so that table is of working days for him.

KrazyHorse
15-08-2007, 05:08:15
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
"So is that number including public holidays then?"

Definately yes.

Not true. In Canada there are (IIRC) 11 statutory paid public holidays in addition to the 10 mandatory paid days.

Also, in the US I've never heard of an employer offering less than 10+11 (though it might not be a legal requirement)

C.G.B. Spender
15-08-2007, 06:56:24
It's quite different here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacation

MOBIUS
15-08-2007, 09:34:59
Originally posted by The Shaker
I get 39.5, which makes me top of the table....YAAAAR

Is that including public holidays?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-08-2007, 09:38:07
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Not true. In Canada there are (IIRC) 11 statutory paid public holidays in addition to the 10 mandatory paid days.

Also, in the US I've never heard of an employer offering less than 10+11 (though it might not be a legal requirement)

Definately true for the numbers from the table, where Canada doesn't show up. The ten paid days of leave they mention in the text is based on a definition different from that for the table though - which shows that those retard dschörnalists have no clue what they are babbling about.

Nav
15-08-2007, 12:26:45
I've been doing 3 day weeks for the past year (ok so the 2 not worked are supposed to be for freelance not 4 day weekends but..). Can't be arsed to work out how many days holiday I had last year though!

Anyway hopefully will be going back to full-time and shitty 28 days a year soon...

KrazyHorse
15-08-2007, 18:09:45
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
Definately true for the numbers from the table, where Canada doesn't show up. The ten paid days of leave they mention in the text is based on a definition different from that for the table though - which shows that those retard dsch�rnalists have no clue what they are babbling about.

Hmmm...

Also, as a note:

anybody in the US with a real professional job gets a lot more than 2 weeks. My wife started at 22 paid vacation days + 3 "personal days" + 5 sick days + 11 public holidays (though she works some of the minor holidays and gets traded days during Christmas vacation). She never takes sick days unless she's actually sick, but that still adds up to 36 days a year...

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-08-2007, 19:08:56
Well, the article was just about the minimum leave. Actual leave will vary; I have 30 instead of 25 days leave since tenure.

Also, what about the 5 sick days if she doesn't get sick?

Vincent
15-08-2007, 19:37:28
Vee haff vays to make her sick, Herr Ulenspiegel.

KrazyHorse
15-08-2007, 19:44:22
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
Well, the article was just about the minimum leave. Actual leave will vary; I have 30 instead of 25 days leave since tenure.

Also, what about the 5 sick days if she doesn't get sick?

Use 'em or lose 'em I believe.

KrazyHorse
15-08-2007, 19:45:13
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
Well, the article was just about the minimum leave

I know. I just think that average leave might be more interesting.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-08-2007, 20:01:11
That is of course true, but not realistic. As i said before:
Whatever source they used, I very strongly doubt that they managed to construct a weighted average of holidays across sectors for several dozens of countries. Such data is usually compiled by some econ guys on a very, very superficial basis.

Funko
16-08-2007, 08:41:05
It's supposed to be the statutory minimum. So people can get more than that in any country mentioned.

I get 25 paid + 3 unpaid if I want them + 8 bank holidays, but what that article is suggesting is that some people will only get 12 days + bank holidays as UK companies try and wheedle their way around the Eurolegislation.

C.G.B. Spender
16-08-2007, 09:02:42
http://www.personneltoday.com/Articles/2007/08/15/41921/income-data-services-report-finds-uk-staff-will-still-have-least-holidays-in-eu-despite-entitlement.html

Germany tops the league with 39 days off a year, including public holidays, followed by Austria (38), Sweden (36), Slovakia, Luxembourg and France (35), Portugal (34), the Czech Republic and Slovenia (33), Italy, Spain and Greece (32) and Poland and Finland (31)

From the same source BBC claims

C.G.B. Spender
16-08-2007, 09:14:42
Wikipedia says

Germany
4 weeks (24 "workable" days, i.e. Mo to Sa, even if the working week is Mo to Fri), plus 9 to 13 bank holidays

In Bavaria they got 12 holidays , that's a max of 37 (24+13) days, if you work 6 days a week. In general it's a max of 33 (20+13) days (if you work 5 days a week, which is common).

In Classic Prussia they've got 9 holidays, it's 33 (24+9) or 29 (20 + 9) days.


So it's 37+33+33+29 = (33+4) + 33 + 33 + (33-4) =33 * 4+ (4 -4) = 33 * 4 = 132 days!!!!!

C.G.B. Spender
16-08-2007, 10:06:35
Yes, you don't have to be an iraqi math teacher to be brilliantly brilliant!

zmama
16-08-2007, 13:03:37
you pencil pusher you

C.G.B. Spender
16-08-2007, 13:44:37
Here we call people like me a "genius"

Mightytree
16-08-2007, 14:49:51
We need more holidays in Germany.

Mightytree
16-08-2007, 14:50:18
I agree that Danes are bastards btw.

Vincent
16-08-2007, 16:45:44
Oh, that's true

C.G.B. Spender
17-08-2007, 06:56:24
Lies!

MoSe
17-08-2007, 08:07:13
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
"So is that number including public holidays then?"

Definately yes.

Defanutely NOT

it may vary between different industrial sectors national workers contracts, but for instance in TLC we get

20 PAID holiday
14 PAID permits

total
34 PAID leave in general
+1 after some years (I think 10) in the same company

PLUS
10/11 PAID PUBLIC holidays
the actual days leave depend from whether the holidays fall in working days or on weekends.
For instance:
- if May 1st (= Labor Day here) falls on say Tuesday, we don't work but get paid as if we worked, and that doesn't decrease our company leave days amount
- it it falls on Sunday, again we don't work but we get paid as if we worked. In such case we don't get an extra day leave (we wouldn't have worked on Sunday anyway) but we get an extra day pay (we wouldn't get paid for a Sunday home, normally :))

So, in a standard year there are 52*5+1=261 weekdays
I'm not actually sure what happens on Easter which "institutionally" always falls on a Sunday, so let's count that out and deal with the remaining 10 public holidays.
If none falls on the weekends, we work 261-34-10=217 days and get paid 261.
If say 3 thereof do fall on weekends, we work 261-34-7=220 days and get paid 261+3=264 days

So, in general, counting public holidays in, we get 44 paid leave/holidays, not 32
Even without counting publics, in our company we get 34/35

C.G.B. Spender
17-08-2007, 08:16:28
I like my math better

MoSe
17-08-2007, 08:28:08
do you get paid for that?

C.G.B. Spender
17-08-2007, 08:28:42
Of course!

Dyl Ulenspiegel
17-08-2007, 08:34:33
"it may vary between different industrial sectors national workers contracts"

Well, Mr smartypants, do the unthinkable and read the thread.

MoSe
17-08-2007, 09:03:37
Originally posted by MoSe
it may vary between different industrial sectors national workers contracts, but for instance in TLC we get

20 PAID holiday
14 PAID permits

total
34 PAID leave in general
+1 after some years (I think 10) in the same company
...
Even without counting publics, in our company we get 34/35

the difference between hoilday and permit, at least in the TLC sector national contract "frame", being:

Holiday
20 days = 4 weeks
company can set half of it, i.e. decide *when* the worker has to take them, in this case 10 dasy = 2 weeks
you can take them down to half-day tokens
you can carry them on to next ONE year
The law forbids the company to deny the employee to use the holidays, i.e. can't ask them to work anyway in exchange for extra pay
Thus when they are about to "expire" (at the end of "next" year) the company forces the employee to stay home to consume them in observance to the work laws prescriptions.
My company even prompts us to consume them in the year and to avoid carrying on more than 5 out of 20

Permit (PAID ones)
14 days = 112 hours
you can take all of them when you want down to 1-hour tokens.
You can carry them on the the next TWO years
You can ask to "cash them in" instead of using them
They are not "protected" by law as holidays are: tyhis doesn't mean you can "lose" them, but if you let them expire without using them or intentionally cashing them in, they get automatically "cashed" i.e. converted in extra days paid.

In summary, as the amount of Paid Permit days is more variable between sectors and easily convertible in extra-cash, they probably didn't count it in the BBC stats.

This brings us back to 20/21 + 11 public (who said 12???)

MoSe
17-08-2007, 09:11:37
I did read the thread Dyl, I just took my situation for granted and didn't reflect that while the 20 days holyday are pretty much fixed nation- and sectors-wide, it's the Paid Permits amount that adds a lot of variability

MOBIUS
17-08-2007, 09:18:07
You Italians are funny...:p

Here in Cardiff I get 37 days holiday, the only stipulation is that we are all forced to take the Christmas break off (time employees in my past companies have usually fought tooth and nail for:D) and the 8 public holidays for a grand total of 45 on top of a strict 35 hour week...:beer:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
17-08-2007, 09:23:49
Originally posted by MoSe
I did read the thread Dyl, I just took my situation for granted and didn't reflect that while the 20 days holyday are pretty much fixed nation- and sectors-wide, it's the Paid Permits amount that adds a lot of variability

And the nrs were about the statutory minimum as fixed in labour law. If the permit-time can be zero in only one sector, it's irrelevant for that stat.