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MDA
09-08-2007, 13:50:59
I'm retiring my 15 year old Minolta 3xi for a digital camera.

I'm currently looking at these...

Canon Digital Rebel XTi 10.1MP Digital SLR
Nikon D40X 10.2MP Digital SLR Camera

canon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000I1ZWRC/ref=pd_cp_p_3/104-7312228-7827920?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_r=1XWN8EZRSN5VBMYG8Q0H&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=250314001&pf_rd_i=B000O161V2)

Nikon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000O161V2/ref=noref/103-8762122-0331000?ie=UTF8&s=photo)

as you might guess, I don't have experience with digital... so I'm open to other suggestions

Beta1
09-08-2007, 19:42:25
not sure about the cannon - they have different names for the models in europe. I think thats the Eos 400D?

From what I've seen both are great cameras.

As a pentax user have a look at the k10D/k100D. Has pretty much the same features as the others. In the UK the cheaper pentax is much cheaper than the cannon/nikons (but has less features)

best thing to do is go into the store and have a play - make sure you get the one that feels right in your hand - I eventually went for the pentax because it fits my hand better than the cannon (which is too small) or the nikon (which was too big) - but that was back with the eos350d/d50 cameras.

Don't buy a camera just because it has 9 extra focus points or whatever - unless you actually want to use them, dont buy 10Mpixels just because they are there - a 6mega pixel camera with a good lens produces a better image than a 10mp with a crap one.

You might want to have a look at the latest olympus four thirds camera too.

MDA
10-08-2007, 12:12:10
I've already played with both of these at a local store - the Canon, although smaller, was still more comfortable than the Nikon. There was something a little off about the Nikon even though it was just a tiny bit bigger. Both are quite a bit smaller (narrower) than my old 35mm

I'll check out the Pentax as well if I can find one locally. Thanks.

Aredhran
10-08-2007, 14:57:37
If you want an in-depth technical review, I recommend www.dpreview.com.

I would personally go for the Canon, but that's really a matter of taste, as well as considering that my brother also owns one, so we can share lenses.

In the same "category" as the models you mentioned, you may want to consider the Sony Alpha-1 (they bought Konika-Minolta, and this is the model that came out). I personally didn't like it much, but it might fit your bill. In local stores here, was cheaper than both Canon and Nikon. And all Minolta AF lenses will fit.

Finally, I'll second Beta1 on the lens thing. 100% of the times, the "packages" you'll find (body+1 lens) will always give you a crappy piece of optics, with poor aperture, distortion, etc. Good enough to learn and play with, but if you want to do anything serious, you will want to buy a decent lens anyway... but that also a budget issue there - good lenses don't come cheap.

MDA
10-08-2007, 18:49:40
most of the reviews (and my wife) say the same thing you guys have, buy the body and get a better lens

that site was just what I wanted and couldn't find :beer:

Beta: yes, turns out 400D is the same camera

mr_G
11-08-2007, 12:35:10
Canon Digital Rebel XTi 10.1MP Digital SLR

it fits you...... a REBEL!!!

MDA
14-08-2007, 12:47:19
looking at lenses for the Canon now... this is going to be much harder than the camera itself

Nills Lagerbaak
14-08-2007, 16:30:00
I just bought a Nikon D50 as it's fully compatable with my Dad's old (very expensive) lenses (which he used on the Nikon F3).

Basically they discontinued the D50 but it's only camera that is fully compatable with the lenses, it has less reoslution that the D40X, but then everyone says the same, resolution is only one factor in good pictures.

Aredhran
15-08-2007, 12:53:56
Very true.

One thing to be wary of with "old" lenses (and even newer ones, especially the cheap stuff), is that since the digital camera's captor size is smaller than actual 35mm film (usually an 1.5 ratio), you might see some image distortion, color alteration, etc.

MDA, you're right, picking the right lens(es) is truly the hardest part.

Nills Lagerbaak
15-08-2007, 14:02:00
Can't you avoid that by adding rings to adjust the focal length, when using old lenses on modern cameras?

MDA
15-08-2007, 14:03:59
I should have said "you guys were right, lenses are the hard part".

ended up getting the Canon and a 28-135mm zoom lens, I was leaning toward a 17-85mm but decided on this one would be good as an all-purpose lens for a year or two, then I can decide whether or not I want to buy more toys. I'm interested to see how well an IS lens actually works. 28mm limits me just a little in tight spaces, but I've been using a 28 for 14 years now and have gotten used to it. :P

I think my old Minolta 35mm 3xi cost about 800 dollars with a lens included back in 1993, so the digitals aren't too bad now.

Vacation in the UK got moved to Boston/Concord/Salem areas this year thanks to the US dollar being crappy, and rumors of a government shutdown over the budget this winter (which will stop both paychecks). I'm sure I can find cool stuff to take pictures of there, but I was hoping for London-y stuff to try this thing out on.

At least I won't have to worry about some pimply faced teenager working at the photo counter losing my irreplaceable negatives again. It comes across as a huge advantage to digital after you've been burned once.

MDA
20-08-2007, 17:25:28
Played around with it this weekend, I've barely scratched the surface of what it can do...

need to learn the menus and buttons, I get confused looking at the camera and miss the picture

C.G.B. Spender
21-08-2007, 07:44:11
That's how those big thingies work.

MDA
21-08-2007, 11:15:32
I know how the big thingies work.

C.G.B. Spender
21-08-2007, 11:19:50
In theory

mr_B
30-08-2007, 13:20:38
In a biblical way that is

Nills Lagerbaak
13-09-2007, 10:11:36
OK, finally got a chance to mess around with the new camera. Here are some "night shots" taken without tripod! Fun, fun fun!

Nills Lagerbaak
13-09-2007, 10:12:03
Damn, the others appear to be too big :(

King_Ghidra
13-09-2007, 15:56:56
put em on facebook and link em

Nills Lagerbaak
13-09-2007, 21:09:56
Ah, very good thinking! 'ere goes...

http://photos-267.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sctm/v124/120/98/556325267/n556325267_1190333_9517.jpg

Nills Lagerbaak
13-09-2007, 21:10:22
http://photos-267.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sctm/v124/120/98/556325267/n556325267_1190334_9818.jpg

Nills Lagerbaak
13-09-2007, 21:11:27
http://photos-267.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sctm/v124/120/98/556325267/n556325267_1190335_70.jpg

Nills Lagerbaak
13-09-2007, 21:12:31
And, my favourite, I think...
http://photos-267.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sctm/v124/120/98/556325267/n556325267_1190336_331.jpg

King_Ghidra
14-09-2007, 07:12:16
i like the one above better. looks brilliant with the bright orange road. could be the amazon without it!

Nills Lagerbaak
14-09-2007, 08:10:12
"Could have been??"

Nills Lagerbaak
14-09-2007, 08:15:58
But yes, sadly it was not the amazon. Still, I would have liked to stay later and get some stars (as it was such a clear night), but I wanted to watch the footy.

next time I might bring a tripod too :)