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maroule
17-01-2007, 12:40:17
From what we can see, it will be very graphical, over the top nonsense with bearded men shouting at every occasion ("PASS THE SALT PLEASE")

Still, I'm pretty excited about this

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/300/trailer2/large.html

Venom
17-01-2007, 13:11:52
I'm extremely excited about this.

Funko
17-01-2007, 13:18:14
I think it looks great.

Venom
17-01-2007, 13:51:20
It's supposed to be over the top. It's based off of Frank Miller's graphic novel.

maroule
17-01-2007, 14:42:49
THIS IS SPARTA!!

he doesn't need to push the emissary in the well, the force of his spraying is probably enough

paiktis
30-01-2007, 23:29:31
I've seen the trailer and I don't know wether to weep or laugh.

Venom
31-01-2007, 01:40:40
You greek bastard, think of it like the Sin City version of the battle.

MOBIUS
01-03-2007, 11:38:14
This is going to be awesome!:bounce:

MOBIUS
08-03-2007, 10:49:57
March 30th Release Date!!!:bounce:

Venom
08-03-2007, 13:00:21
It's out tomorrow here.

Funko
08-03-2007, 13:01:42
Let us know if it's any good.

maroule
08-03-2007, 13:36:10
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/300/

maroule
08-03-2007, 13:42:02
"with its fetishistic depiction of the nearly naked male body as nothing more or less than a merciless instrument of warfare, it fills a much-needed gap between gay porn and recruitment film."

Venom will love it

Venom
08-03-2007, 13:49:48
Sounds perfect!

MOBIUS
08-03-2007, 14:37:33
Funny how the bad reviews are only encouraging me to want to see it more for precisely the reason why they hate it...:D

maroule
08-03-2007, 14:54:58
I'm certainly going as soon as it comes out (the movie, not Venom)

Venom
08-03-2007, 15:03:58
The modern action movie has been around for over 20 years now. When will people stop expecting transcendant film going experiences from them?

maroule
08-03-2007, 15:15:30
but while they're all a bit dumb, some are still vastly better than others

King_Ghidra
08-03-2007, 15:24:04
i.e the original Matrix versus all the sequels

Die Hard versus most anything else similar

The Killer versus generic gunplay flick #1000000

Actually i feel a thread coming on...

Venom
08-03-2007, 15:32:30
What makes thos movies great is that you probably expected them to be crap. No one knew the Matrix was gonna be that great. I saw it almost by accident on a recommendation from a friend.

But good thread idea.

maroule
09-03-2007, 14:28:55
As usual, the NYT critic is pure quality
won't prevent me from seeing it, as I said


“300” is about as violent as “Apocalypto” and twice as stupid. Adapted from a graphic novel by Frank Miller and Lynn Varley, it offers up a bombastic spectacle of honor and betrayal, rendered in images that might have been airbrushed onto a customized van sometime in the late 1970s. The basic story is a good deal older. It’s all about the ancient Battle of Thermopylae, which unfolded at a narrow pass on the coast of Greece whose name translates as Hot Gates.

Hot Gates, indeed! Devotees of the pectoral, deltoid and other fine muscle groups will find much to savor as King Leonidas (Gerard Butler) leads 300 prime Spartan porterhouses into battle against Persian forces commanded by Xerxes (Rodrigo Santoro), a decadent self-proclaimed deity who wants, as all good movie villains do, to rule the world.

The Persians, pioneers in the art of facial piercing, have vastly greater numbers — including ninjas, dervishes, elephants, a charging rhino and an angry bald giant — but the Spartans clearly have superior health clubs and electrolysis facilities.

BigGameHunter
09-03-2007, 14:35:23
Ha ha...good stuff.

I recently read an article about Gerard Butler's workouts to get ready for that role. He's got OCD and did 300 reps of every masochistic exercise you can think of.
Pretty laudable, but hey, give me a million bucks and I'll stop stuffing my pie hole too.

Venom
09-03-2007, 14:41:50
Dude is ripped in this movie.

paiktis
15-03-2007, 10:40:55
Haven't seen it yet but one commentator refered to the scenes where Leonidas had to get the permission of his wife to do some things and said that some things never change.
If the wife says no...

mr_G
19-03-2007, 22:49:16
saw it yesterday
nice movie
a bit over the top but the graphics are AWESOME

Tizzy
20-03-2007, 09:27:14
It's released here this Friday, I think we'll go and see it over the weekend.

MOBIUS
20-03-2007, 21:53:11
My local cinema is doing previews on Thursday!:bounce:

MOBIUS
22-03-2007, 12:31:31
Oooh! So excited! 300 in exactly 5 hours, straight after work...:)

MOBIUS
22-03-2007, 21:54:40
AWESOME!!!

Blood and gore on an epic scale!:beer:

Fergus & The Brazen Car
24-03-2007, 10:21:35
I think the film is seriously flawed; if the Spartans are known to be nigh on invincible before they fight a battle, even if it is only 300 Spartans, each of whom has one arm tied behind their back and is wearing high heels and a sombrero, then it doesn't matter if the King of Kings sends 3 bazillion gazillion peasant levies and umpteen googolplex Immortals against them, the adamantine Spartans will always win, either through a 'moral' victory, or by force of arms.


As an aside, the older film about the Spartans at Thermopylae is on BBC2 this afternoon.

Sans piercings, deformed giants, battle elephants, ice cream vans, funfairs and refugees from a New York Dolls' video.

paiktis
26-03-2007, 22:23:31
I saw it. THIS IS SPARTA. Tres cool.
Of course as venom eloquently stated it has nothing to do with depicting what happened. It's a fiction film based on facts. Anyway I mean it is over the top a lot and this is its magic.

I loved it very nice.

I will state however one thing. That thing about Keadas, the cliff over which all the deformed spartan babies were cast to their deaths, there are some historians who contradict that it existed.

Nevertheless we were grown to believe there was. Keadas. It has a different style now. It is said when someone is less than perfect so he can say if they accuse him, throw me over keadas then.
And efialtes. what a character that one must have been to remain even to this day, his name as the word for nightmare in greek.

I actually felt for efialtes. I would focus on him. First off I think the story that he was an outcast of sparta is not true.
But let's go with the movie. He wanted so much to be spartan yet if he or at least his parents lived by the rule he would not have been allowed to live. yet he came back and he said to leonidas, let me fight. leonidas said no because you would be a weak link. he offered him however the chance to partake in the glory by doing secondary things like fetching water and carrying the dead back.

i can see, like in the army when you're less than perfect you dont get the I1 rating that means you are front line material (I got it, thank you) so you can be anything down to I5 which means absolution from the army because you can not deliver for some reason.

i remember the admiral as we affectionatly called a friend in the army. he had a severe problem in his back, yet he informed noone because he would get demoted to I2 or worse. so he was with us in all the drills. untill one day his back gave in and he was paralysed from the waste down and in immense pain. we used to bring food to him untill the helicopter came to take him to the naval hospital.

i also remember a guy we were together during the medical exams. some pussy fainted in front of the needle and he was 6 feet tall. but then that guy we never showed fear. and he was happy, really happy and content with himself going to the army. some are, others are not. he was though. then i meet him in the naval base some weeks later with a broom sweeping. he had been declared I3 or something so he wasnt allowed to hold a gun. he would do only menial work. the shine from his eyes was completely gone. he was sad. not the person i had met with we were passing the medical exams.

and now efialtes. leonidas told him that he could do some secondary work. like I3 or something. however that was not enough for him. he didnt want to accept what limitations the spartan army had decried. he wanted to surpass his limitations.

he wasnt allowed for reasons of efficacity. and he rated on the greeks and showed the persian the secret passage to thermopiles.

how much pain must have existed in the heart of this man to betray his own people. although from a point of view the greeks were no longer his people. ar at least the spartans, because they did not allowed him. although leonidas did find some middle way but efialtes didnt accept it.
very dramatic. a face of anceint tragedy efialtes

hence a moral dilema arises (from the film, not the true story, efialtes is tought to be a despicable betrayor).

was what efilates did wrong? he wanted to be spartan. he wasnt allowed for reasons not of his choosing.

then he was offered what the limitations said. he did not want to accept these limitations. so he was given all he wanted from Xerxis. very difficult question. arent we taught to this day that surpassing your limitations is cool? or is this yet another stupid capitalist idea meant to turn people into slaves working 16 hours a day for the big man and having no life.

maybe the ancient idea of hybris is applicable. yet did efialtes commit an hybris? i dont think he did because he rejected the rules of sparta not the rules of the gods. he wanted to be more but in the context of a city state not in approaching the divine.

so he did not commit hybris. he betrayed his people who were not his people because he wanted to be their people but didnt let him to the extend he wanted. if he had only accepted leonidas offer, it would be to accept his limitations or to accept limitations imposed on him?
wait i think i got it. the right thing for him to do was NOT to ratt on the greeks but to go to court and try to amment the laws of sparta. yep.

paiktis
26-03-2007, 22:59:49
hmmm
however let's say he did that. and that the court ruled in his favor. so no more keadas and equality to all. kind like the marxist each gives ehat he can gets what he needs mandra. btw it is funny that both capitalist and soviet systems clinged to ancient greek roots. i think soviet more to spartan style. or maybe athenian. anyway not important.

coming back to the point. if efialtes had gone to court then the miraculous so pro war spartan system, its efficiency would have been lost. because all the deformed would be allowed in the spartan army and that army wouldnt be the fearsome thing it was which beat the athenians in the peloponesian war. go tell the lakedemonians passer by that obidient to their laws we live. treeees cool.

so if efialtes had won then the spartan system would have been lost.

maybe it's a teaching that life is not fair. yet isnt this moirolatric. like giving in to fate? men should make their own destinies. or does the one NOT contradict the other?

i have to think about it.

let's say life is not fair. and you have to make do. does this constitutes automatically an abandonment to the fates? or does this re-inforces ten fold your indivinduality?
perhaps the latter but then what need do we have for laws?
for if the laws are to be respected and the laws are unfair then breaking them is the right thing to do. but we cannot live in a society which is lawless. does this automatically mean that we have to be abandoned to the winds of the fates?
who can answer this question. the more i think about it the less definite i become.

paiktis
26-03-2007, 23:33:56
so the next logical question is what is fair.

we must point exactly what fair is.
fair is that which we value the most.

what do we value the most?

is it a perfect army or is it equality?

or is it the perfect society?
or is it indivinduality? the latter has some sort of anarchy in it. a perfect society doesnt. plato said that free men respect the laws of their onw free will and to strive to be a good man will be good for society as a whole.
HA.
so the laws that we freely choose are the ones which will lead us to a perfect society and it is us which chose to follow them. that means that we should sacrifice our indivinduality and personal gain as we see it for the good of the wider society. that means OBEYING THE FKING RULES.

Ok, i think i got it. i can go back to me girlfriend and flambast her with that. miss little no respect for anything i do what i like.

paiktis
26-03-2007, 23:51:01
so when she bragges about how she cuts off everyone with her car at the turn point and she doesnt follow the rules of the road and she goes first by breaking these rules and I tell her that's why Greece is a whorehouse I AM RIGHT.
Pointe finale. Grece douze pointes. They should make me prime minister so i can crack whip this country into shape. But do they let me? Noooo

King_Ghidra
28-03-2007, 08:18:57
Forget the bravery of the 300, this was a truly heroic set of posts from Paiktis.

Funko
28-03-2007, 09:05:57
I look forward to having a spare half hour to read them.

King_Ghidra
28-03-2007, 09:29:09
like you don't have a spare half hour right now

Fistandantilus
28-03-2007, 09:31:04
It's an interesting, paiktisesque read btw :)

mr_G
28-03-2007, 09:35:19
paiktis the new socrates

Fistandantilus
28-03-2007, 09:46:03
300 is quite good btw.

Bottom line: bettah than Babel.

mr_G
28-03-2007, 11:17:52
cultuurbarbaar!!!!