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Funko
04-12-2006, 14:47:35
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6206572.stm

:eek: :eek:

Venom
04-12-2006, 14:55:41
Exercise is better for you than dieting. That is true.

JM^3
04-12-2006, 15:03:14
I agree, exercise is key.

JM

Drekkus
04-12-2006, 15:03:26
People of all sizes and shapes can reduce risk of poor health by adopting a healthier lifestyle OMG, REALLY???

How come people can't seem to get in their head that there's one solution for losing weight: burn more calories than you take in...

MOBIUS
04-12-2006, 15:11:14
Cos they're lazy...:p

Even cycling the paltry equivalent of 3 miles a day has lost me about 4kgs in about a month - and it's not like I'm even trying to lose weight...

Kitsuki
04-12-2006, 17:12:20
forced to do 4 hours a week of exercise

That's fuck all...

Tizzy
04-12-2006, 17:14:35
It's a lot if you don't do any

HelloKitty
04-12-2006, 17:16:37
No one own goaled funko?

Funko
04-12-2006, 17:17:29
"They were required to do four hours a week of exercise, such as tai chi, aqua aerobics or circuit classes." Who (with a job) can be arsed to do 4 classes like that a week?

Funko
04-12-2006, 17:17:54
Originally posted by HelloKitty
No one own goaled funko?

I didn't actually read the article.

Fistandantilus
04-12-2006, 17:17:55
It's a lot if you have better things do dee doooo too.

Fistandantilus
04-12-2006, 17:19:08
Damn you crossposting bastard.

Funko
04-12-2006, 17:20:34
Originally posted by Fistandantilus
It's a lot if you have better things do dee doooo too.

I do, sitting on my fat ass watching TV and eating curry.

Drekkus
04-12-2006, 17:21:29
Originally posted by Funko
I didn't actually read the article. I thought you were being sarcastic

Funko
04-12-2006, 17:25:38
No, there have been a lot of proper scientific studies that say being unfit and thin is worse than being fat and fit. And actually it's the unfit bit that is worse than the being overweight. Very thin people can have health problems too and actually see saw dieting or crash diet weight loss can be bad, stress the heart etc.

One recalls the classic* first episode of Marshall Law when the Police martial arts instructor said "Bit out of shape aren't you" to Sammo Hung, Sammo reacted by kicking the instructors ass then answering - "no, just fat".


*shit

MoSe
05-12-2006, 08:46:35
encouraged not to diet and eat whatever they wanted in moderation

OMG what utter bullshit
"Whatever I want" is the polar opposite of moderation.
When I want something, I DO WANT A LOT thereof!
Moderation IS THE KEY for a diet. (coupled with exercise)
"It's not a diet, you just have to limit the quantities" .... i.e., a diet
:rolleyes:

I'm fed up with these behavioral gimmicks and mind tricks for mentally challenged

FED UP, that's why I don't lose weight!

MoSe
05-12-2006, 08:49:05
I think that by being obese I create work opportunities for a hughe bunch of babbling charlatans....
I have a positive role in modern society!

Gary
05-12-2006, 09:21:01
In my experience exercise has very little to do with weight loss. It takes loads just to burn off a sandwich or a choc bar. It's good for health maybe, might raise the metabolism a bit, give you a better silhouette, but weight loss ? No, reducing input is key to that. (Or finding a way for it to slip through undigested :D)

May read the article if I get time later.

Diss
05-12-2006, 10:02:47
Originally posted by MoSe
OMG what utter bullshit
"Whatever I want" is the polar opposite of moderation.
When I want something, I DO WANT A LOT thereof!
Moderation IS THE KEY for a diet. (coupled with exercise)
"It's not a diet, you just have to limit the quantities" .... i.e., a diet
:rolleyes:

I'm fed up with these behavioral gimmicks and mind tricks for mentally challenged

FED UP, that's why I don't lose weight!

yep, I want to eat a whole pizza by myself followed by a 1/4 gallon of egg nog.

Drekkus
05-12-2006, 10:03:23
An avarage man needs/burns 2500 calories a day. If you go running or spinning for half an hour (intensively) you burn 500 more.
If you reduce your input at the same time, you will lose weight.

Diss
05-12-2006, 10:07:07
In the end, eating less is why I lost 50 pounds. It required loads of discipline. Though after the first couple months it got a little easier. But it's still work. I'm still around 140 pounds, which I feel is too high. My stomach isn't flat like I'd want it to be.

I used to eat 2 sandwhiches a day for lunch, I cut down to 1 and reduced the amount of meat I put on my sandwhich. I used to eat 4 waffles in the morning and a yogurt. I cut out the waffles entirely. That was during the 50 pound lost.

I changed jobs and ended up gaining 10 pounds back because of the free food. Then changed jobs again and gained another 5 pounds (free food there as well). But then I lost 9 pounds after that. I think I"m at 140, but I haven't checked in ages.

And I keep meaning to work out again. I did early this year because I thought it would help my chances with women. It didn't, so I stopped. :)

MattHiggs
05-12-2006, 10:09:23
May read the article if I get time later.

Ooh, please do. Let us know what you think!

As Drekkus said, it's simple. Just burn more calories than you eat!

I hate all the fad diets, yes you probably will lose weight in the short-term; but the kind of people that will go on a 2 month fad diet are the kind of people that will go straight back to their normal eating habits once they've lost a few pounds.

Just doing simple things as a start such as: walking 30 minutes a day (and none of this Sunday walking - you need to raise your heart rate!), cutting out all artificial sugars, soft drinks and fast food will reap huge benefits. Cut out high GI carbs, eg white breads etc. None. Zip. Even Low GI carbs, cut them in half if you can. Minimise pasta meals. Minimise milk consumption. Lots of chicken salads, chicken wraps, lean steaks are good for dinner with some vegetables.

For breakfast, oatmeal is ideal.

Anyway, I'm rambling!

SuperCitizen
05-12-2006, 10:10:44
Of course they need to move most of all. Diet is very important, proper nutrition, however, in obesity, you gain more to just move your ass and correct your diet as you go. You basically will burn calories, for obese person, the 'need' is somewhere between 3000+, so you really have to intake a lot of crap food to maintain that, unless you have some illnesses.

45 to one hour walk will burn somewhere around 500 calories for an obese person anyway, so you do that, and to NOT gain any more weight you can go from 3500 calories to almost 4000. I don't know what kind of crap you have to eat to not lose weight at that point.

There's also the fact as well, that when you move, should you gain muscle, muscle growth will also allow you to burn more. So, anyone looking to lose weight and is dedicated and serious, I would always (if no physical restrictions) recommend starting with walking/running/swimming, and also apply gym training to it. It really does good to an overweight person to hit the weights, in controlled manner. Just easy moves, build it up.

This would be what most realistic personal trainers would advice for a person to do, that is the aerobic training (running etc) AND weight training, for the maximum effect. Then, proper nutrition and rest. THat's the holy trinity of working out.

Plus it is easy for an obese person to lose weight relatively fast with this, some who cry are _usually_ making up excuses, and that's why they are obese in the first place.

Regularity in routines, just get that damn metabolism working normally.

MattHiggs
05-12-2006, 10:19:52
100% agree with SC

Most people are put off by weights.
Tthe amount of times people have asked me how to train but 'they don't wanna get huge, just toned' is unbelievable. It destroys me when I see a woman in the gym lifting a 5lb dumbell! I'm currently training my girlfriend as she has an interview with the police next week. She has gone from benching 30lbs to 75lbs and she looks great. It's impossible for women to look like a bodybuilder due to the lack of testosterone in their bodies. That is why most pros take a shit load of steroids.

Another 'woman's magazine myth' is spot reduction. You can't just wake up every morning and do 200 sit ups expecting to get a six pack.

MOBIUS
05-12-2006, 10:30:28
But you can do 200 sit ups and reduce your spots?

MoSe
05-12-2006, 10:35:23
Originally posted by Diss
yep, I want to eat a whole pizza by myself followed by a 1/4 gallon of egg nog.

that's for appetizer, and then?

MoSe
05-12-2006, 11:03:56
Originally posted by Drekkus
An avarage man needs/burns 2500 calories a day. Originally posted by SuperCitizen
for obese person, the 'need' is somewhere between 3000+,

It's pointless to delve or ramble further about the abused general subject.
I'll just report, regarding the quoted issue, a real case I know about: myself.

I had recently what they called a calorimetry, as my doc wanted to investigate the causes of my sudden weight accumualtion in the summer (I told her I had given up any control, gobbling half a kg chocolate ice cream everyday just to begin with... but she wasn't satisifed...).
A calorimetry (I think it could be respirometry in english) is the measure of your basal metabolic rate, performed by analyzing your breath ouput, at rest but awake, during half an hour.

I'm 1.78 (5'10") and was over 110kg then, age 44.
It turned out that the "expected" or "desired" (?) rate was a bit over 2100kcal, while my measured one was just the 88% (a bit below 1900).
Indeed, I hadn't been exercising at all in the previous 3 months, and since a long time I took on the habit of skipping lunch at work, both causes fo lowering your metabolism.

This means that even had I respected my 1800kcal diet ( :lol: ), the effect would have been almost nullified by the bad habits (no exercise, wrong input distribution during the day) which lowered the baseline amount my body burned (and I didn't burn much more, walking at most 500m in my office trip, sitting all day in front of PC@work, PC@home, TV@home)

MattHiggs
05-12-2006, 11:06:21
If you want to boost your metabolism then you can try eating smaller meals, more often.

MoSe
05-12-2006, 11:14:13
yes, I know, that's what I was also saying, it's a very wise advice I always disregarded
:D

I just wanted to contribute some real life factual info to compare with the figures Drekkus and SC provided

King_Ghidra
05-12-2006, 12:06:08
I like The Biggest Loser in this respect, because the greatest emphasis on this programme is showing these lard asses exercising very very hard to lose thier weight.

Given the astonishing weight losses and fitness improvements achieved by some of the contestants it might hopefully give some people the right idea about what really constitues a weight loss and health improvement plan.

MoSe
05-12-2006, 12:10:38
Ideally, losing more than 1K_G per month is unhealthy

Funko
05-12-2006, 12:14:25
Originally posted by Gary
In my experience exercise has very little to do with weight loss. It takes loads just to burn off a sandwich or a choc bar. It's good for health maybe, might raise the metabolism a bit, give you a better silhouette, but weight loss ? No, reducing input is key to that. (Or finding a way for it to slip through undigested :D)

May read the article if I get time later.

Yeah, it's not about weight loss, it's saying getting thin isn't going to help your health, getting fit is.

mr_G
05-12-2006, 12:15:53
he's awake!!!!

Funko
05-12-2006, 12:17:58
Not really.

Venom
05-12-2006, 12:52:07
140 lbs? What are you? 4 feet tall?

MoSe
05-12-2006, 13:59:19
1mrg and a half

Tizzy
05-12-2006, 14:04:43
So 3 feet then

MoSe
05-12-2006, 14:05:30
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
what really constitues a weight loss

wait, was this about a sensible article or about a sensible loss?

mr_G
05-12-2006, 14:13:45
MoSe you are fat - FACT!!!!

mr_G
05-12-2006, 14:14:08
hmmmmmm that was pretty pretty sensible

MoSe
05-12-2006, 14:15:34
the multipurpose unit: the 'mrg'

a gnomeasure of height
a measure of brilliancy
a measure of modesty
a brilliant measure of brilliancy

mr_G
05-12-2006, 14:53:19
and sensibly sensible

Tizzy
05-12-2006, 14:59:36
and good helpingness

MoSe
05-12-2006, 14:59:40
are you seriously serious?

Tizzy
05-12-2006, 15:05:56
jesjes o/c

MDA
05-12-2006, 16:09:46
Originally posted by Funko
"They were required to do four hours a week of exercise, such as tai chi, aqua aerobics or circuit classes." Who (with a job) can be arsed to do 4 classes like that a week?

Just get on a treadmill or safe street, or trail... and go.

MattHiggs
05-12-2006, 16:12:00
I work 45 hours a week and I have to look after my kid for three nights a week on my own until about 9pm but I still manage to find the time to play football twice a week and go to the gym three times.

mr_G
05-12-2006, 16:19:51
hurrah for Higsy!!!!!!!!!!

HURRAH HURRAH HURRAH

MattHiggs
05-12-2006, 16:22:21
I'm just trying to say that if I can do it - anyone can.

mr_G
05-12-2006, 16:35:56
no way you ARE Vin D - FACT!!!

MoSe
05-12-2006, 16:37:33
anyone motivated enough....

I have a cyclette at home, but often when I get home from work at 8pm I'd rather throw myself out of the window, than workout

King_Ghidra
05-12-2006, 16:44:51
well if you don't work out, you're going to present an even bigger danger to passers-by this evening

SuperCitizen
05-12-2006, 17:06:08
Originally posted by MattHiggs
100% agree with SC

Most people are put off by weights.
Tthe amount of times people have asked me how to train but 'they don't wanna get huge, just toned' is unbelievable. It destroys me when I see a woman in the gym lifting a 5lb dumbell! I'm currently training my girlfriend as she has an interview with the police next week. She has gone from benching 30lbs to 75lbs and she looks great. It's impossible for women to look like a bodybuilder due to the lack of testosterone in their bodies. That is why most pros take a shit load of steroids.

Another 'woman's magazine myth' is spot reduction. You can't just wake up every morning and do 200 sit ups expecting to get a six pack.

Haha right.. people don't want to do legs, legs get big, ass gets big.. what ever.

And yeah the focus thing, who believes that it's actually true? It's all you've been hearing for the last 10 years or so, but it kind of defies the laws of .. everything. Fat doesn't burn from a certain place like that. It burns equally.
And people who are afraid their 'legs get big' are women with big fat asses, or people with no muscles what so ever. I mean yeah, take it from these guys, clearly they know the in's and outs.

But this all is really rather simple, and people who want to look like these Gods, they usually also never want to make the effort. So they rather believe in things that just aren't true and simply are marketed to sell products that helps... the exact equivalent of zero.

edit: of, forgot the other group that doesn't believe in comprehensive gym workout, young males with too much testosterone. THe guys who only come in to do the bench press and work on their arms. But some of the people who actually do make the effort to work those parts well enough (1% in that group) looks so ridiculous with good upper body and arms, but chicken legs. Not in scale at all. It's like getting a tan shaped like a square on your chest. Makes no sense and looks stupid.

King_Ghidra
05-12-2006, 17:07:32
I want to make an AE called Super-sized Citizen but i'm too lazy.

Drekkus
05-12-2006, 17:08:48
:lol:

Venom
05-12-2006, 18:04:31
You know what else makes you lose weight?

Dysentary.

Diss
06-12-2006, 01:04:30
Originally posted by Venom
140 lbs? What are you? 4 feet tall?

me or him?

I'm 140 I think. I'm 5 feet 8 inches. or 68 inches. Not sure of the metric conversion. :p

Diss
06-12-2006, 01:05:26
Originally posted by MattHiggs
I'm just trying to say that if I can do it - anyone can.

not necessarily. some people such as myself are terrible at time management. I waste too much time posting at silly internet forums.

Funko
06-12-2006, 09:27:11
Originally posted by MattHiggs
I work 45 hours a week and I have to look after my kid for three nights a week on my own until about 9pm but I still manage to find the time to play football twice a week and go to the gym three times.

Yeah, but how much time do you have to go out and get pissed, eat curry and watch TV?

MattHiggs
06-12-2006, 09:40:10
Watch TV most evenings. I'll usually get one takeaway a week and then we'll go out for a meal or go out in Manchester every Saturday. I play snooker and have a few beers with my dad on Sunday and if I have any spare time left over I'll do work for my own business. :D

MOBIUS
06-12-2006, 09:40:29
And we are mere mortals...

Funko
06-12-2006, 09:44:26
I bet he has a car.

Funko
06-12-2006, 09:45:34
Anyway, my point is not that it's not possible, obviously it is, but that people can't be arsed.

MattHiggs
06-12-2006, 09:45:52
I have to cycle to work on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday as the missus needs the car for her job. :(

Funko
06-12-2006, 09:46:20
:lol:

MattHiggs
06-12-2006, 09:47:56
Originally posted by Funko
Anyway, my point is not that it's not possible, obviously it is, but that people can't be arsed.

That was my point too.

Funko
06-12-2006, 09:48:13
:beer: :cycle:

MattHiggs
06-12-2006, 09:52:06
Fuck you!

MOBIUS
06-12-2006, 09:53:23
Cycling is brilliant!

As I said, I am only doing about 12 mins to and back from work each day and even that minuscule amount has had a big impact on my fitness and weight loss.

And the best thing is that I have to spend time getting to work anyway so I am not using time I would be using for other things.

Cycling!:beer:

Funko
06-12-2006, 09:53:47
I admit that "who's got time... " might sound like I'm implying people don't have time, but that's a naive interpretation of the words.

MOBIUS
06-12-2006, 09:57:41
Yeah, it all gets sucked into the vortex of sitting on the sofa and watching endless TV! We are so looking forward to moving from my friend's place because we won't have the temptation of Sky anymore...

It's even destroyed our movie-going - Sunday we were supposed to see Pan's Labyrinthe and ended up watching Sky!:rolleyes:

MattHiggs
06-12-2006, 09:58:20
Originally posted by MOBIUS
Cycling is brilliant!

As I said, I am only doing about 12 mins to and back from work each day and even that minuscule amount has had a big impact on my fitness and weight loss.

And the best thing is that I have to spend time getting to work anyway so I am not using time I would be using for other things.

Cycling!:beer:

I don't mind the cycling part; it's just the fact that I've got to pack work clothes and then get changed at work. If it's raining it's worse as I then have to get back into damp clothes for the cycle back. I think I need some waterproof pants for Christmas.

MOBIUS
06-12-2006, 10:00:17
Originally posted by MattHiggs
I don't mind the cycling part; it's just the fact that I've got to pack work clothes and then get changed at work. If it's raining it's worse as I then have to get back into damp clothes for the cycle back. I think I need some waterproof pants for Christmas.

Waterproofs!:beer:

They're really cheap if you get the packaway ones.

I don't need to change cos we haven't got a dress code here.:)

Tizzy
06-12-2006, 10:09:37
I've been incredibly lazy about cycling now the weather's not as good.
I need waterproofs and lights and motivation.

mr_G
06-12-2006, 10:17:44
Originally posted by MoSe
anyone motivated enough....

I have a cyclette at home, but often when I get home from work at 8pm I'd rather throw myself out of the window, than workout I laaik the first plan

Funko
06-12-2006, 10:20:36
Originally posted by Tizzy
I've been incredibly lazy about cycling now the weather's not as good.
I need waterproofs and lights and motivation.

I should have suggested you get lights when you got the bike, even though it was summer then, because it'd be annoying to go and get them when it got to winter. Really wish I'd done that.

Tizzy
06-12-2006, 10:22:20
jesjes schmartjeass

Funko
06-12-2006, 10:24:05
Very often right.

Tizzy
06-12-2006, 10:29:07
Wouldn't have made any difference anyway, that's only one third of the problem.

(more like a quarter I guess, motivation is at least half)

mr_G
06-12-2006, 10:31:03
a goooooood bf would go to the sjop and buy those lights for his gf.

Funko
06-12-2006, 10:33:07
I was much more efficient than that (hi SuperCitizen!) I suggested she get them with the bike...

MOBIUS
06-12-2006, 10:43:35
Even more efficient would be if you got them with the bike

mr_G
06-12-2006, 10:48:06
goood thinking willem

Funko
06-12-2006, 10:51:00
ok I see some people need lessons in Laziness from a master.

Trip on a bike is some effort. So best to spend a little time buying things when you are in the bike shop to avoid any trip in the future.

King_Ghidra
06-12-2006, 11:17:10
Originally posted by MattHiggs
If it's raining

You live in manchester eh, so it's more of a when than an if

Funko
06-12-2006, 11:18:04
that still doesn't explain why he wants waterproof pants.

Unless he pisses himself when it rains.

MattHiggs
06-12-2006, 11:25:31
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
You live in manchester eh, so it's more of a when than an if

So true, it's rained every single bloody morning this week!

MoSe
06-12-2006, 11:37:56
didn't they sell motivation too in bundle with bike and lights?
maybe you can find some motivation X-mas offer
or some old unused motivation pack in a bargain bin

MOBIUS
06-12-2006, 11:39:02
I got caught out without my waterproofs yesterday morning - it wasn't raining as I left the house...:(

It was still raining at 1am, but I was prepared then!

MDA
06-12-2006, 11:39:37
you make it sound like it was raining blood!

Venom would love Manchester

MOBIUS
06-12-2006, 11:41:31
Originally posted by Funko
ok I see some people need lessons in Laziness from a master.

Trip on a bike is some effort. So best to spend a little time buying things when you are in the bike shop to avoid any trip in the future.

BUT. You were too lazy to buy them at the bike shop in the 1st place...

That sounds like a 'false lazy' to me, seeing as at some point you will now have to return to the bike shop.

:gotit:

Buy it off the internet instead...

Funko
06-12-2006, 11:43:07
You are right, not buying them is False Lazy, that's exactly my point!!! And the point I made at the time, but it's not my bike.

Tizzy
06-12-2006, 11:48:35
Not buying them at the time had nothing to do with laziness, false or otherwise.

MoSe
06-12-2006, 11:50:19
darling, you're so brilliant you won't need lights....

Funko
06-12-2006, 12:03:54
Compliments stop cars crashing into you - FACT!

Gary
06-12-2006, 12:19:45
Being fit & fat is better than being unfit & fat, but I'm of the opinion that is different to being healthy. Yah still wanna get rid of yah Weeble profile.

Funko
06-12-2006, 12:20:49
Your opinion is obviously worth a lot more than the evidence of serious medical research.

Gary
06-12-2006, 12:22:29
Obviously

MoSe
06-12-2006, 12:44:29
I'd rather trust Gary too

MattHiggs
06-12-2006, 12:47:36
Gary's words are malnourished.

mr_G
06-12-2006, 12:51:17
Originally posted by MDA
you make it sound like it was raining blood!

Venom would love Manchester he is a MAnU fan - FACT!!!

Venom
06-12-2006, 12:51:54
All this talk of losing weight is making me hungry.

mr_G
06-12-2006, 12:52:41
and not a loser - FACT!!!

Drekkus
06-12-2006, 13:05:02
Originally posted by mr_G
he is a MAnU fan - FACT!!! Can't be, even after the Reading - ManU game??

SuperCitizen
06-12-2006, 13:07:02
Just came from running. Feel so good... And this is another thing obese people or people who want to lose weight confronts.

When they start their physical activities, they don't feel good. And this is why they stop also, after few days. They can't be bothered, it's such a huge task and effort. What they don't think about is that it's a sign they SHOULD be doing it. And it gets easier and easier, and at some point, it doesn't feel like a burden, it feels great. It feels good.

And then you feel good in your daily life. You're much happier. That burden of physical activities becomes actually something you look forward to. It just goes upside down.

Lots of these obese people, they don't want to .. it's not for their health. It's because they want to look good. Well, that's a good motivator but if they would figure it's good for their health, maybe they would try. Life is a slow death but still, I'd rather spend my last years in good condition, rather than in all kinds of pain and stuff.

Funko
06-12-2006, 13:11:09
Speaking as a lazy unfit fatty, doing exercise still makes you feel good.

Venom
06-12-2006, 13:15:07
So that's why you get off the couch to go get more food. Exercise.

Funko
06-12-2006, 13:24:10
If you're getting up to get food, you might as well get another beer at the same time. Exercise and efficiency.

MoSe
06-12-2006, 13:24:48
Originally posted by SuperCitizen
Life is a slow death but still, I'd rather spend my last years in good condition, rather than in all kinds of pain and stuff.

I regret all the amusement missed when you didn't grace us with your wit, reserving it for that other site....

I DID exercise with some regularity, I DID enjoy it, I DID feel good after it.
STILL, other causes led me then to disregard my own good, preferring to seek immediate and illusory gratification in easy-to-get food, and I became obese again.
Despite knowing all too well I'll feel good and I'll do my own good after some regular excercise, when I feel mentally depleted the mere thought of GETTING READY for exercise is more than I can bear.

and before your start out, yes I also DID suck some cocks in the past.
they all tasted like fish, not like chicken
:p

as soon as I'll be able to leave a good-looking corpse, I'll leave in a flash

Fistandantilus
06-12-2006, 13:26:00
Plus food and beer make you feel better too. Truly a win-win situation here.

Venom
06-12-2006, 13:26:38
The whole "better shape when you're old thing" that might not be true. For those that exercise hardcore, you're going to have all kinds of joint problems.

I look forward to my first artificial knee. And hip. And elbow. Damn all that wanking.

mr_G
06-12-2006, 13:29:06
Venom the new bionic man.....
taaaadaaaadaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
taaadaaadaaadaaaadaaadaaaaaaaaa

King_Ghidra
06-12-2006, 13:29:56
you wank with your knee. ok i'm impressed.

Lazarus and the Gimp
06-12-2006, 13:31:38
Exercise for the weak.

SuperCitizen
06-12-2006, 13:39:23
mose, well.. I just gave some general thoughts.. of course everyone is an individual. Everyone has their problems, there's no reason to trivialize it too much and claim there's only one truth when it comes to why people do things and why they don't or can't.

And also, why would I be interested in your sucking habits? You are quite the brute.

King_Ghidra
06-12-2006, 13:40:53
MoSe is mentally depleted

:lol:

Venom
06-12-2006, 13:56:15
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
you wank with your knee. ok i'm impressed.

I do. But I also like to wank in exciting positions. One foot up on the counter. Check.

Postioned like a sprinter preparing to bolt from the starting line. Check.

Lying on the floor while a highly paid dominatrix whips me and kicks me in the balls. Check.

That kind of stuff takes a toll on the body.

Funko
06-12-2006, 14:11:58
:lol:

MOBIUS
06-12-2006, 16:16:11
Originally posted by MoSe
and before your start out, yes I also DID suck some cocks in the past.
they all tasted like fish, not like chicken
:p

You're doing it wrong, you need Super Citizen to clean his cock beforehand - though I suppose that puts a dent into his efficiency regime...

Funko
06-12-2006, 16:17:13
How on earth did I miss that bit of his post before?

King_Ghidra
06-12-2006, 16:22:31
because you were wanking with one foot up on the table and a stick of celery in your ass?

Venom
06-12-2006, 16:31:05
*takes notes*

MoSe
06-12-2006, 16:40:23
Originally posted by SuperCitizen
And also, why would I be interested in your sucking habits? You are quite the brute.

sorry, in the Efficiency thread it must have been someone else stealing your AE.....

MoSe
06-12-2006, 16:42:34
Originally posted by SuperCitizen
mose, well.. I just gave some general thoughts.. of course everyone is an individual. Everyone has their problems, there's no reason to trivialize it too much and claim there's only one truth when it comes to why people do things and why they don't or can't.

excuse me I might be a bit language challenged...

as far as I understand it, "trivialising" and "claiming there's only one truth" it's indeed what you did with your sweeping generalisation, isn't it?
:p

MoSe
- one of "these obese peoplese"

SuperCitizen
06-12-2006, 18:29:53
Like I said, I gave some general thoughts. Then I said that of course this is genaralizing.

Maybe you need to stop sucking so much cock.

JM^3
06-12-2006, 18:45:23
Originally posted by MoSe
sorry, in the Efficiency thread it must have been someone else stealing your AE.....

He was interested in Lazs.

Sounds like he is getting interested in yours.

JM