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Japher
12-09-2006, 19:21:26
I actually have been to an Ethiopian restaurant
It was in Washington D.C.
I thought it was funny that they actually had food
I now know what there are starving Ethiopians

made the Brits look like Gormets

Cruddy
12-09-2006, 20:05:43
2 reasons for starving Ethiopians;

1) Their govts buy too many weapons.

2) Their govts export all the food to pay for the weapons.

JM^3
12-09-2006, 20:47:27
I went to an Ethiopian place in Portland Oregon, 7ish years ago. It was very good, I would like to go to another!

JM

Provost Harrison
12-09-2006, 22:11:25
I've seen an Eritrean restaurant - haven't given it a go though, looked pretty nice though.

Oerdin
12-09-2006, 22:22:38
It reminded me of Arabic food and was in fact virtually identical. Save for all the honey mead.

maroule
13-09-2006, 07:28:05
Ethiopian food, when correctly done, is superb. It is not always the case because the cereal, the tef (used to make injera), is not always available outside of Ethiopia. Oerdin, it is nothing like Arabic food, for logical reasons: coming from different ingredients (tef, different spices), different climate (a lot greener, a lot richer soil), different culture (christian, so beer, honey wine, etc.). There were very few contacts between the chritian populations of the center and the muslims on the fringe, except outright war. If you tell an Ethiopian his food is like arabic one, he'll beat you with a club (and rightly so).

The basic combination is injera with wat (spicy sauce, eaten either alone in poor families, of with chicken). Lamb dices and vegetable stews are nice too. The best beer is the Harar (curiously done in a muslim region) and the St George. You eat in a single large plate, using the suple, slightly bitter ingera as a "pinch" to grab food.

Ethiopians starving:
From "Band aid" times: Tigray rebellion against the communist regime, who in turned starved this region (didn't prevent the Tigrean front from kicking Mengistu out). Otherwise, the central regions are pretty self sufficient. Today and on a continuing basis: desertification of the south (esp at the border of Somalia), where the nomadic societies have seen a population growth while ressources get more and more scarce. It gets even worse in case of poor rainfalls, like today. Buying weapons; doesn't help development but not the source of starvation. The war against Eritrea is however pretty bad, preventing the drafted soldiers (who are farmers) to be in time for harvesting

Eritrean cuisine; same, but more Italian influence (Eritrea was colonised, at the difference of Ethiopia)

My advice; go try, it's well worth it, and a very nice experience

Nills Lagerbaak
13-09-2006, 08:12:56
ditto, I had a delicious ethiopian meal in London. the injera is kind of your plate and your bread. Very nice!

Oerdin
13-09-2006, 09:24:11
The one I went to was very similiar to Arabic food. Similiar in presentation, in taste, in texture, and method of consumption (namely meat in spicy yet runny sauces eatten using flat bread).

I admit to only have visited one Ethiopian restaurant one time but my overwelming impression was that it was extremely similiar to Arabic food as eaten in Iraq and Kuwait though perhaphes with a bit of Indian influence.

Oerdin
13-09-2006, 09:26:41
BTW Ethiopia was traditionally Orthodoxed but muslims make up the majority of the present population and have since the 19th century or so. There were plenty of contacts between the two.

To my knowledge Tef is a drug and I've never seen it used in Ethiopian food however my only experience with such food is in the US where Tef is likely illegal.

Oerdin
13-09-2006, 09:34:07
OK, tef is a grain. I'm thinking of qef or some such thing.

maroule
13-09-2006, 10:03:34
you're thinking khat, moron. Only the muslims, mainly near Djibouti and Somalia use it in Ethiopia.

"BTW Ethiopia was traditionally Orthodoxed but muslims make up the majority of the present population and have since the 19th century or so"

was?

Ethiopia still is traditionnally orthodox/coptic, and power (economic and political) is still firmly held by the Christians, from the center. Check Zenawi's bio. Muslims live on the crescent from Harar to Somalia, and are much poorer populations.

Contacts? yes, as in war, for most of their history. Which explains the buried churches of Lalibela and the likes.

Of course your one experience in an Ethiopian restaureant is good background to explain what happens there...

maroule
13-09-2006, 10:16:34
Originally posted by Oerdin
Similiar in presentation, in taste, in texture, and method of consumption (namely meat in spicy yet runny sauces eatten using flat bread).


"meat in spicy yet runny sauces" would cover a very large spectrum of world food (including french), but more to the point, injera is not bread at all, it's a pancake, in width between the american and the french crepes, with very little taste (slightly bitter)

if yours tasted like bred, it's because they couldn't find tef and used wheat (which happens quite a bit: in Paris, out of the 6 tehiopian restaurants I know of, only 3 use real tef)

Oerdin
13-09-2006, 10:31:03
Originally posted by maroule

Of course your one experience in an Ethiopian restaureant is good background to explain what happens there...

Stopping being a dick. I happen to be pretty damn good at history and you are just wrong.

The population has been majority muslim since at least the 19th century. You are refer to pre-19th century history


Muslim 45%-50%, Ethiopian Orthodox 35%-40%, animist 12%, other 3%-8%

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/et.html

Oerdin
13-09-2006, 10:32:28
Originally posted by maroule
"meat in spicy yet runny sauces" would cover a very large spectrum of world food (including french), but more to the point, injera is not bread at all, it's a pancake, in width between the american and the french crepes, with very little taste (slightly bitter)

if yours tasted like bred, it's because they couldn't find tef and used wheat (which happens quite a bit: in Paris, out of the 6 tehiopian restaurants I know of, only 3 use real tef)

Likely it wasn't tef.

maroule
13-09-2006, 10:38:18
Originally posted by Oerdin
Stopping being a dick. I happen to be pretty damn good at history and you are just wrong.

The population has been majority muslim since at least the 19th century. You are refer to pre-19th century history



Did you even read what I said? I didn't talk numbers, but power.

Since you know Irak, you know that the two are very different

I've met most of the current rain makers in Ethiopia, and there is barely a muslim among them (for example, in 97, only the minister of tourism was)

Oerdin
13-09-2006, 10:44:29
I didn't claim to have vast knowledge of the current government. I do know about the former communist government, the civil war which resulted in Eritrean independence, and much of the pre-19th century history. The government is still dominated by the Christian minority but my point was that the country has not been majority muslim for around 100-150 years and that the food I tasted was very similiar to Arabic food.

I will try other restaurants since it seems I got one not from the highlands and instead from the muslim portions in the east or south. Can you at least acknowledge that portions of Ethiopia are as I described or will you fight even that?

maroule
13-09-2006, 11:08:46
the food I had in "muslim" ethiopia was pretty much standard ethiopian food, but that was in Harar, so I'm sure the more arabic populations further east are closer to what you're describing

however, they do not represent "ethiopian" food, as the term is acknowledged. What you're describing is similar to an african tourist visit the US and eating in a tex-mex, and then saying back home that US cooking is about fajitas and tacos.

Anyway, you don't have to believe what I tell you, but do this simple test; tell any ethiopian their food is like arabic food, and see their reaction.

Funko
13-09-2006, 11:15:29
"what food?"

Oerdin
13-09-2006, 11:21:17
I'm saying the food I had was like Arabic food.

maroule
13-09-2006, 12:11:05
and I'm saying if it was "virtually identical" then it certainly wasn't representative of Ethiopian food

zmama
13-09-2006, 14:58:54
US cooking IS about tacos and fajitas and chili :D

MoSe
13-09-2006, 15:14:11
what food did you have in Harr Harr again?

Fistandantilus
13-09-2006, 15:26:55
Originally posted by zmama
US cooking IS about tacos and fajitas and chili :D

:D

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
13-09-2006, 17:51:56
Originally posted by zmama
US cooking IS about tacos and fajitas and chili :D

It certainly is where I'm living. If you judged by our restaurants here, you'd think California was inhabited by a majority of Mexican and Chinese people! Ha ha ha... oh.

Scabrous Birdseed
13-09-2006, 18:22:24
Since when does muslim cooking = arab cooking? That would make turkish, persian, kurdish, indoesian, indian/pakistani, some philippino, loads of sub-saharan and north african food "arab" which patently isn't the case.

Scabrous Birdseed
13-09-2006, 18:23:56
Heck, even Arabic food is far from uniform. Egyptian food is way different from Lebanese, for instance. Not had any from the arabic peninsula but still.

Oerdin
13-09-2006, 21:08:49
Originally posted by maroule
and I'm saying if it was "virtually identical" then it certainly wasn't representative of Ethiopian food

OK, then we agree. Just for you I will go out to a different Ethiopian restaurant in this city. Supposedly it is much better.

Oerdin
13-09-2006, 21:18:10
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
Heck, even Arabic food is far from uniform. Egyptian food is way different from Lebanese, for instance. Not had any from the arabic peninsula but still.

I should have said Arabic food from the Arabian peninsula.

Fergus & The Brazen Car
14-09-2006, 14:22:10
Originally posted by Japher


made the Brits look like Gormets


Gormets ?


Insults come better when they're not mis-spelt, Yangee.


And when your country hasn't produced Oreos and Hershey bars.

Lurker
14-09-2006, 14:57:59
Mmmm, Oreos.

Funko
14-09-2006, 15:00:06
You don't like them enough to write updates though. :bash:

Lurker
14-09-2006, 15:11:18
:lol:

Japher
14-09-2006, 15:14:28
worst team evah

Lurker
14-09-2006, 15:17:56
A malicious lie!

Japher
14-09-2006, 15:18:43
would you say

Deadly Erroneous

Funko
14-09-2006, 15:18:48
Well I believe him because I have no regular updates to give me the facts.

Lurker
14-09-2006, 15:30:19
Excellent, my plan has worked. Through innuendo and absence of facts, the mighty O's will be perceived as the great team they truly are.

Funko
14-09-2006, 15:31:34
er. I believe him when he says they are the worst team ever.

Japher
14-09-2006, 15:32:20
I believe whatever he says

Tizzy
14-09-2006, 15:34:52
I believe everything I read on the interweb.

Funko
14-09-2006, 15:36:27
It's your turn to make dinner.

Tizzy
14-09-2006, 15:39:30
If only we had someone nice here, they'd post "It's not Tizzy's turn" and then I could believe that.

Japher
14-09-2006, 15:40:18
Tizzy is making a 5 course meal

Funko
14-09-2006, 15:40:24
:lol:

maroule
14-09-2006, 15:45:53
it takes a lot of self control not to find new orders for tizzy

Japher
14-09-2006, 17:14:38
Get in the kitchen, and bake me a pie!

zmama
14-09-2006, 17:45:22
Tizzy gets to put her feet up and have dinner and good wine served to her.

Lurker
14-09-2006, 18:21:41
Tizzy forgets about zmama's post.

zmama
14-09-2006, 18:22:29
Get real!

Lurker
14-09-2006, 18:39:23
I am a fragment of your intoxication.

Japher
14-09-2006, 18:52:50
I am a toxin of your fragmentation

Fistandantilus
14-09-2006, 19:05:03
Originally posted by zmama
Get real!

:lol:

Oerdin
15-09-2006, 00:47:39
Just for Maroule I am goin here tonight.

http://entertainment.signonsandiego.com/profile/111321

Funko
15-09-2006, 07:59:46
Originally posted by zmama
Tizzy gets to put her feet up and have dinner and good wine served to her.

She would have believed that if she wasn't already at home. Bwah ha ha ha.

maroule
15-09-2006, 08:12:52
Originally posted by Oerdin
Just for Maroule I am goin here tonight.

http://entertainment.signonsandiego.com/profile/111321


ask the owners if the ingera is made of tef. You can double check by yourself: it has to be very suple (like you're holding a slightly thicker non sweet french crepe, a bit spongy/moist, totally 'spineless', very different from a nam or a middle eastern bread who are more rigid).

ask for a selection of dishes. I recommend douro wat (spicy chicken, with an hard boiled egg). There should be some kind of cottage cheese as well to ease the spicyness

The pic gives a good idea of both injera and douro wat, with lentils (or beans? didn't know this side dish)

http://www.pagehalffull.com/injera.jpg

and above all, enjoy!

Tizzy
15-09-2006, 08:21:44
Originally posted by Funko
She would have believed that if she wasn't already at home. Bwah ha ha ha.

Nah, I'm not that stjeopit

MoSe
15-09-2006, 08:41:36
Originally posted by Lurker
I am a fragment of your intoxication.

isn't that what Scrooge told to the Christmas Ghost?

King_Ghidra
15-09-2006, 09:53:55
Originally posted by maroule


http://www.pagehalffull.com/injera.jpg



mmm a piece of moon rock covered in a turd and vomit with a gallstone, yummy

Funko
15-09-2006, 09:57:53
that image is called facehuggerdisection.jpg

maroule
15-09-2006, 10:03:35
these messages were brought to you by the Little Englander Association: making your world a bit more narrow-minded, every day

Funko
15-09-2006, 10:09:01
:lol:

I've actually been looking up recipies for Doro Wat.

Nills Lagerbaak
15-09-2006, 10:10:56
:D Plebs.

Hmm, I remembe the ethiopian meal well, looked a lot like the picture although the Kef was slightly browner IIRC.


Anyway - back to narrowmindedness....what did the ethiopian sing whilst carrying a sack of bones?


"He aint heavy......he's ma brotheeeeerrrrrrrr"

Funko
15-09-2006, 10:16:12
The ingredients look more similar to northern indian than arabic food.

Nills Lagerbaak
15-09-2006, 10:17:54
Hmm, I'd say more Southern indian - that moon rock looks just like a Dosa

Funko
15-09-2006, 10:21:46
True, I was only looking at the spices in the one Doro Wat recipe I found. :D

King_Ghidra
15-09-2006, 10:26:11
Originally posted by maroule
these messages were brought to you by the Little Englander Association: making your world a bit more narrow-minded, every day

This message brought to you by mr superior wannabe ethnographer, the most well-travelled and patronising man in the universe. 'Been somewhere interesting? I was there before you and am friends with everyone there!'

Nills Lagerbaak
15-09-2006, 10:30:41
The tef looks good, what would really set it off would be some chips, 4 burgers and gammon hams and lots of cheese! mmm yummy!

Funko
15-09-2006, 10:31:03
:lol:

Nills Lagerbaak
15-09-2006, 10:31:35
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
This message brought to you by mr superior wannabe ethnographer, the most well-travelled and patronising man in the universe. 'Been somewhere interesting? I was there before you and am friends with everyone there!'

there's nothing wrong with wanting to better oneself :p

maroule
15-09-2006, 11:25:44
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
This message brought to you by mr superior wannabe ethnographer, the most well-travelled and patronising man in the universe. 'Been somewhere interesting? I was there before you and am friends with everyone there!'


This message was brought to you by people reading thread on exotic food, and being offended when they actually find posts on exotic food

Scabrous Birdseed
15-09-2006, 12:34:36
Actually, come to think of it, I particularly disliked Ethiopian food the one time I had it. The pancake thing tasted like some sort of bitter, sour, textureless gauze, very unpleasant.

King_Ghidra
15-09-2006, 12:38:01
Originally posted by maroule
This message was brought to you by people reading thread on exotic food, and being offended when they actually find posts on exotic food

and how did i know you would be unable to take that post as anything other than some gospel indication of my opinions on foreign food

you and mose should get together and try and find your sense of humour again

maroule
15-09-2006, 12:48:25
and how did i know you would be unable to take that post as funko did, aka a tease...


if Mose and myself do a humor interneship, feel free to join

Fistandantilus
15-09-2006, 12:50:41
There is a lot of hatred around today. I love it.

King_Ghidra
15-09-2006, 13:14:02
Originally posted by maroule
and how did i know you would be unable to take that post as funko did, aka a tease...


if Mose and myself do a humor interneship, feel free to join

funko didn't respond to your last comment, which sounded less ike a tease and more like the comments of someone who thinks making disparaging comments about other nationalities in jest is a BAD THING

i know i = borat

my apologies to the people of ethiopia, i hope your food industry recovers from my mudslinging

maroule
15-09-2006, 13:19:56
you started getting irritated at my little englander jibe, fuckwit, because, behind the universalist surface, lies in dirty shame a LITTLE ENGLANDER WHO'S TOO AFRAID TO WANK ON THE ST GEORGE FLAG IN PUBLIC

which, btw, is meant as a disparaging comment on the brits, as most my posts are

Funko
15-09-2006, 13:22:35
I know that you are always disparaging us because you are in denial about how much you love us after all your years working here and your English wife (IIRC she's English anyway).

Hope you come to terms with your English love one day. x

King_Ghidra
15-09-2006, 13:30:49
Having gone to all the effort to find a flag picture i realise i have picked the union flag and not the st george's flag :(

and yes, i know it's burning and not being wanked on.

but i'm not googling wank flag, no way

Funko
15-09-2006, 13:32:04
:lol:

Great new title/av combo anyway.

Scabrous Birdseed
15-09-2006, 13:36:56
http://www.counterglow.com/forum/sh...&threadid=35916 (http://images.google.com/images?q=wank%20flag)

King_Ghidra
15-09-2006, 13:37:17
You are a bad person

maroule
15-09-2006, 13:59:40
Originally posted by Funko
I know that you are always disparaging us because you are in denial about how much you love us after all your years working here and your English wife (IIRC she's English anyway).

Hope you come to terms with your English love one day. x


bastard

maroule
15-09-2006, 14:00:41
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
Having gone to all the effort to find a flag picture i realise i have picked the union flag and not the st george's flag :(

and yes, i know it's burning and not being wanked on.

but i'm not googling wank flag, no way


good effort

I might suggest a close up on a massive beer belly with st george painted on it

Nills Lagerbaak
15-09-2006, 14:19:48
ever since KG decided Maroule was not the man he thought he was, this place hasn't been the same.

King_Ghidra
15-09-2006, 14:20:27
such is the power of my judgement

Fistandantilus
15-09-2006, 14:24:13
A world changing power. In better of course.

Funko
15-09-2006, 14:25:10
Scud Wallaby's avatar would be perfect for this situation K_G. :beer:

Nills Lagerbaak
15-09-2006, 14:25:31
I suggest we all get together and make up, over a nice ethiopian meal, and KG no laughing at the food.

Funko
15-09-2006, 14:26:11
http://www.counterglow.com/forum/avatar.php?userid=16&dateline=1035150677

maroule
15-09-2006, 14:40:09
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
ever since KG decided Maroule was not the man he thought

better him than my wife

Lurker
15-09-2006, 14:44:56
Waiting anxiously for Oerdin's report on dinner last night.

Oerdin
15-09-2006, 16:14:51
The bread was much spongier and I did like the veggies. The meat was a bit run of the mill but nicely spiced. All in all it was different from Arabian food so I am left wondering exactly how Ethiopian the other Ethiopian restaurnt was.

Oerdin
15-09-2006, 16:15:49
Yes, it was made from tef and looked just like that picture you posted. My date and I ended up ordering a combination meal and a vegitarian order which were served in one big plate with some more of that spongy bread under the food.

JM^3
15-09-2006, 16:40:55
That sounds like what I had (well, no meat, just vegeterrian)

JM

Oerdin
15-09-2006, 22:59:20
Best part is it was fucking cheap. I love dates like that. Two bottles of Ethiopian beer (one stout and one pilsner), one bottle of rather crappy south American wine, and some Ethiopian honey mead with enough food to kill a horse cost just $25 plus tip.

Oerdin
16-09-2006, 01:54:00
I did like how the crepe like bread made the plate so you could basically eat your place at the end. I didn't like how the sauce soaked into the bread and made it all soft an crumbly.

At least 90% of it could be eatten with the extra crepe like bread they gave to you to eat with since there was no silverware.

HelloKitty
16-09-2006, 05:22:15
Originally posted by zmama
US cooking IS about tacos and fajitas and chili :D

Remove those 3 things and add hot dogs, hamburgers, grilled cheese sandwitches, corn dogs,a dn peanut butter sandwitches, and you got american food DOWN!

Fergus & The Brazen Car
16-09-2006, 09:26:51
Originally posted by maroule
good effort

I might suggest a close up on a massive beer belly with st george painted on it


Or the typical unwashed cheesy French cock in a pissoir.

Has soap made a comeback since the days of Ancient Gaul ? ;)

maroule
17-09-2006, 10:11:28
Originally posted by Oerdin
Yes, it was made from tef and looked just like that picture you posted. My date and I ended up ordering a combination meal and a vegitarian order which were served in one big plate with some more of that spongy bread under the food.


cool, I'm glad
it certainly looks you had the real thing then


funnily enough, the NYT Times today talks about visiting Ethiopia (http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/travel/17ethiopia.html?ref=travel?8dpc)


I can only heartily recommend it

Lazarus and the Gimp
17-09-2006, 10:21:19
I'm eating biltong right now. It's chewy, but beefy.

Oerdin
17-09-2006, 17:35:14
Insert obligatory comment about Laz liking big chewy beef in his mouth here.

maroule
19-03-2007, 10:20:48
as a post mortem on this thread, a good piece from the NYT on the best restaurants in Addis

http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/03/18/travel/18choicetables.html