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Japher
25-08-2006, 18:10:34
My Boss' boss (MrM) is a liar and a cheat when it comes to work. He lies and cheats to get what he wants, to cut corners, and to avoid doing work or putting work on us (which is nice, but wrong). His deceptiveness and lies, if found out by certain ppl in the company, would get him fired, if not worse seeing as we work in a regulated industry and he is violating some regulations.

On top of this he's a womanizer. He leers at coworkers, makes comments about the women to the guys around him if alone, he stops meetings to chase after female employees to chat with, he calls women "skirts, babes" whatever, he is a walking sexual harassment lawsuit. Needless to say, this guy should be fired.

Today, he took out a coworker, one of his employees, to Hooters for lunch as a "reward" for doing a good job. My question; can that be viewed as sexual harassment. Everyone knows that they went to Hooters, and I don't think the female employees were too impressed. IMO, he should of taken the person somewhere less risque and controversial.

Should I take this to HR?

Lazarus and the Gimp
25-08-2006, 18:35:00
No. HR are all shit. Just shit in his in-tray.

JM^3
25-08-2006, 18:41:40
Is this guy a member of the 'boys club'?

JM

Japher
25-08-2006, 19:06:53
no

Venom
25-08-2006, 19:07:36
Hooters is sexual harassment? Hell no.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
25-08-2006, 19:11:02
Mr M ruuulzzzz!!!

JM^3
25-08-2006, 19:18:08
Cause your ass to bump his at odd times (really any body part works). Stand very close to him whenever you have reason to be near him. Be very touchy. Tell odd stories/inapropriate jokes. Laugh at odd times.

Hmm, what other ways can you make someone uncomfortable legally?

JM

Lazarus and the Gimp
25-08-2006, 19:40:13
Shit in their in-tray.

Japher
25-08-2006, 19:51:01
I'm working up a wet one

Koshko
25-08-2006, 20:00:53
He sounds like a typical big boss man. You don't get on top by being nice. You get there by being slightly scummier than the rest.

Venom
25-08-2006, 20:19:52
It's funny that you're not thinking about turning him for actual office sexual harassment, but instead for going to lunch someplace.

Japher
25-08-2006, 20:22:27
I tell my boss when he makes inappropriate comments, per protocol.

It's not just lunch, this is lunch that the company is paying for as a reward to an employee who even said he'd rather go somewhere else. The act was inappropriate. It would be like the boss paying for everyone to go to the strip club after work... Awesome, but totally not kewl.

Venom
25-08-2006, 20:36:54
Except that a strip club is about 50 billion times more inappropriate than Hooters. It's just a restaurant.

Chris
25-08-2006, 21:12:07
Kick him in the balls.

Cruddy
26-08-2006, 02:39:33
THEN shit in his in tray.

Alternatively, start recording everything he says. Make a dossier.

Then, when you've compiled enough evidence to prove he's as bad as you say (not as easy as it sounds) hand in your notice and give the reason as you cannot bear to work with this motherfucker.

Then sue the company for loss of earnings. Problem solved, you need never work again.

You can instead employ other people in order to patronise, overload, and treat them at Hooters.

Greg W
26-08-2006, 03:42:50
I could be wrong, especially seeing as I know nothing about American law as opposed to Australian law, but recording anybody without their permission (unless you are the CIA/FBI/insert other government agency) would be against the law, no?

Gary
26-08-2006, 07:56:42
Unsure. Surely one is allowed to gather evidence of a crime or whatever without warning the suspected bad guy ? Otherwise where would that leave the many cctv cameras we see (or don't) now-a-days ?

Meanwhile this guy seems a regular achiever type, that some folk simply don't approve of. Can't see any reason to to get involved, that would just be vindictive.

Greg W
26-08-2006, 08:56:37
Well, I know in Australia that it's inadmissable in court unless they know they're being recorded. And taking somebody's photo without their permission is too (well, kind of - if they object, you have to get rid of it). /shrug

mr_G
26-08-2006, 11:09:56
Originally posted by Japher
My Boss' boss (MrM) is a liar and a cheat when it comes to work. He lies and cheats to get what he wants, to cut corners, and to avoid doing work or putting work on us (which is nice, but wrong). His deceptiveness and lies, if found out by certain ppl in the company, would get him fired, if not worse seeing as we work in a regulated industry and he is violating some regulations.

On top of this he's a womanizer. He leers at coworkers, makes comments about the women to the guys around him if alone, he stops meetings to chase after female employees to chat with, he calls women "skirts, babes" whatever, he is a walking sexual harassment lawsuit. Needless to say, this guy should be fired.

Today, he took out a coworker, one of his employees, to Hooters for lunch as a "reward" for doing a good job. My question; can that be viewed as sexual harassment. Everyone knows that they went to Hooters, and I don't think the female employees were too impressed. IMO, he should of taken the person somewhere less risque and controversial.

Should I take this to HR? you are just a jealous boytje

mr_G
26-08-2006, 11:10:36
kick yourself in the balls!!!

Christoph
26-08-2006, 18:54:00
Mr|G deeeeeemontr8 plz

Funko
29-08-2006, 08:21:17
I don't get what the problem is.

Venom
29-08-2006, 11:43:06
The problem is too many chicks wearing too much clothes in the workplace. Let's see some clevage.

Chris
29-08-2006, 20:01:30
You wouldn't say that if you worked with helen Thomas.

Oerdin
29-08-2006, 22:00:25
http://video.freevideoblog.com/video/AAC7FA18-2DDC-4D3E-B1BB-9D6CBD83E27F.htm

Oerdin
29-08-2006, 22:17:36
Oh, shit. They cut off the Helen Thomas part at the end.

Oerdin
29-08-2006, 22:20:05
Ahh, here it is.

http://video.freevideoblog.com/video/C91DDBB4-28AD-4E6F-BD52-822BC77DF696.htm

HelloKitty
29-08-2006, 22:26:52
File a complaint saying that it makes YOU uncomfortable.

You don't have to be the one who is getting harassed.

Worst case, they beat this guy down and he stops.

Likely case, they fire his ass once you initiate something documented.

Best case, they laugh at you and you settle for a large sum of money out of court because they are fuckwits, and the guy still gets fired.

Chris
29-08-2006, 22:44:29
And then you kick him in the balls.

devilmunchkin
29-08-2006, 23:01:03
is there a way to tip off the powers at be so it doesn't sound like you're ratting him out..but it will say enough to that the big bosses look at him closer?

HelloKitty
30-08-2006, 00:28:45
Where is the fun of being anonymous.

Make a huge stink!

Diss
30-08-2006, 01:00:34
Originally posted by Greg W
I could be wrong, especially seeing as I know nothing about American law as opposed to Australian law, but recording anybody without their permission (unless you are the CIA/FBI/insert other government agency) would be against the law, no?

I dealt with this a couple months ago. Someone I know was recording conversations of a friend of mine. I took the recorder and gave it to the general manager (I should have kept the original tape- stupid me).

Amazingly management said it's perfectly okay for management to record cell phone conversations. The thing is, this was never authorized by management. It was just a lone worker who was trying to get my friend fired. I took offense to that, turned it in, and I got in trouble for reporting what I thought was illegal activity.