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Asher
23-08-2006, 23:02:52
FYI, a lot of you like those games.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/727/727476p1.html

King_Ghidra
24-08-2006, 08:17:24
Not sure i really understand this...PES6 and fifa07 come out for ps2, xbox360 etc. in a month or two.

Next year will be pes7, fifa 08, etc.

is this agreement for the entire fifa and pes series or just these individual titles?

Funko
24-08-2006, 08:24:39
potentially leaving Sony out of the next-generation soccer market for a year.

Meaning they won't release it on the PS3 for a year?

Not sure that's a big deal, PS3 isn't even out yet. If they could ensure it wasn't released on PS2 then that might get people to upgrade to a 360 I suppose.

King_Ghidra
24-08-2006, 09:08:16
right yeah, so it will be out for all the scheduled platforms now, but can't appear on ps3 or wii until 12 months time, ie. no impact now, as neither system is out, and when the 12 months is up pes7 will be out anyway

not exactly ground-breaking news. i imagine pes6 will not be markedly different between ps2 and 360, though i am having some questions as to which system to buy it on. any good 360 games would be a bonus, though they cost 50 quid for no good reason.

Funko
24-08-2006, 09:47:57
And if it's massively different on the two systems will you hinder your MP skills for playing against those of us on PS2s if you get the 360 version...

Apparently the cost of development is massively higher for the next-gen systems which is why the cost is higher.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4442346.stm

Funko
24-08-2006, 09:49:25
If it did go 360 only, I'd probably just get the PC version and a PS2 controller adaptor for my PC. Really can't justify buying a 360 considering how little I use my PS2.

King_Ghidra
24-08-2006, 13:38:09
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=66948

http://www.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a66948/ss_preview_2.jpg

fp
24-08-2006, 13:47:08
*drool*

King_Ghidra
05-09-2006, 12:26:42
interestingly as i understand it, this deal is actually US and euro only. in japan, pes/winning eleven # whatever will be coming out for ps3 as a release game

maroule
05-09-2006, 12:30:16
nice pic but really overstretching it; Adriano would never shake his lethargy to actually contest a header like that

Funko
05-09-2006, 12:34:53
At one point a novice opponent played the ball back to Dida in the Brazilian goal at pace, and it went under his foot, Thomas-Sorensen-against-Brum-style, and wandered painfully into the net. Maybe it was meant; maybe PES simulates to that degree now. Or maybe not. Pat and his purple words didn't think so.

Provost Harrison did that exact thing in PES2

King_Ghidra
05-09-2006, 12:47:51
Originally posted by maroule
nice pic but really overstretching it; Adriano would never shake his lethargy to actually contest a header like that

the computerised adriano is about a stone lighter too

Kitsuki
05-09-2006, 12:53:21
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
interestingly as i understand it, this deal is actually US and euro only. in japan, pes/winning eleven # whatever will be coming out for ps3 as a release game

I doubt a football game does so well over there, does it?

King_Ghidra
05-09-2006, 13:55:01
sorry kits time to adjust your assumptions

computer games sell by the shitload in japan (you should know this much), and football is crazy popular.

Winning eleven has sold between 500000 to a million copies on release day before

Funko
05-09-2006, 15:16:49
Who's the chelsea player trying to suck Adriano's cock? They don't have a #32 in the squad AFAIK.

Funko
05-09-2006, 15:18:25
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
sorry kits time to adjust your assumptions

computer games sell by the shitload in japan (you should know this much), and football is crazy popular.

Winning eleven has sold between 500000 to a million copies on release day before

Stats to back K_G up:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10775

Winning Eleven 9 had 'disappointing' sales of only 574,000 sales in the first week.

King_Ghidra
05-09-2006, 15:48:27
Originally posted by Funko
Who's the chelsea player trying to suck Adriano's cock? They don't have a #32 in the squad AFAIK.

ashley cole? :cute:

btw you don't have a #25 either from what bbc sport says...

an implicit follow-up question: why no player names on the shirts?

pre-release licensing stuff i guess...

Funko
05-09-2006, 15:50:14
Maybe, I thought he might be number 25. :D

King_Ghidra
05-09-2006, 15:52:28
yeah the 25 would be more realistic

i think adriano is too dark in that picture

the skin tones have been dodgy in prevous pes for some players

Funko
28-09-2006, 14:26:27
just under a month until PES 6 is launched.

Found this very promising review of Winning Eleven 10 (Really looking forward to talking about Winning Eleven 11...)

http://boards.ign.com/winning_eleven_8/b6573/119231636/p1/

fp
03-10-2006, 18:04:01
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=68332

Funko
04-10-2006, 08:12:58
Excellent. :beer:

I really like his summary at the end, that's very true.

King_Ghidra
04-10-2006, 08:27:58
Agreed.

I have to buy the 360 version, online play is going to be so sweet.

Funko
04-10-2006, 08:32:46
Yeah, I haven't done too much of that on PES 5, should really play more.

Funko
04-10-2006, 08:37:32
Tizzy will be happy that this comes out the day before our anniversary I guess.

mr_G
04-10-2006, 08:40:13
what about the cotton balls?

Funko
04-10-2006, 08:40:39
That's for valentines day.

Tizzy
04-10-2006, 09:09:09
The anniversary we're not buying presents for you mean?

Funko
04-10-2006, 09:13:08
Oh, I didn't mean as a present, I meant that I'll be playing it all day. :beer:

Tizzy
04-10-2006, 09:16:22
That's what you think.

Funko
04-10-2006, 09:33:33
Yep.

maroule
04-10-2006, 09:44:10
"playing PES5 until a few weeks ago, but that upon heading home after an afternoon in PES6's company, it felt stilted, arthritic, awkward and unrealistic. "

arthritic is the perfect word to describe what I've felt. The players rotate as if they have concrete hips and that drives me insane (because after destrying my PES5 xbox version, I've bought it again on PSP)


can't wait to buy the 360 version in a few days
Maybe I'll even consider Xbox live...

Funko
04-10-2006, 10:07:08
You'd be able to play vs K_G then.

maroule
04-10-2006, 10:09:12
That was the idea...

But I need to pluck a hole in my wall (to pass the cable) and pay for a subscription, just for the priviledge of getting my arse kicked, you the jury is still out

Funko
04-10-2006, 10:19:17
Get a wireless connector

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Xbox-360-Wireless-Bridge/dp/B000AYTQ7O

Fistandantilus
04-10-2006, 10:39:11
Is K_G still the undisputed champion? If so, is this an attempt to find someone who can kick his ass?

Funko
04-10-2006, 10:43:18
I don't know about undisputed champion, but he is good.
We have a big PES 6 tournament coming up in Reading in November, that'll be a chance for him to claim the title.

I saw this opportunity as a chance for frog humiliation. :D

King_Ghidra
04-10-2006, 10:47:14
On PES5 i was a shadow of my self on PES4 and previous versions. It just didn't agree with me.

In no sense would i consider myself undisputed champion, or even champion.

My main worry for PES6 is that there will be subtle differences and control issues between the 360 and ps2 versions that make it difficult to adapt between the two. We'll see.

maroule
04-10-2006, 10:51:23
Originally posted by Funko
Get a wireless connector

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Xbox-360-Wireless-Bridge/dp/B000AYTQ7O

thanks for that, I'll check with my set up

Funko
04-10-2006, 10:55:35
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
My main worry for PES6 is that there will be subtle differences and control issues between the 360 and ps2 versions that make it difficult to adapt between the two. We'll see.

You're more than welcome to pop round for some PS2 practice before the tournament.

King_Ghidra
04-10-2006, 11:07:41
not the worst idea.

clearly a lot of my the remaining micro concentration of my self-esteem will be locked up in the results of that tournament.

Funko
04-10-2006, 11:17:01
I just want to finish above Chris.

King_Ghidra
04-10-2006, 11:43:49
so does everyone

you can imagine my smile when i saw your tournament table and him in the middle

Funko
04-10-2006, 11:49:20
Pre-tournament conversation:

me: I'm aiming for top 3.
Chris: I'm going to win.


It was a sweet feeling when my 4th goal went in...

Scabrous Birdseed
06-10-2006, 05:52:21
I just read an article that claimed EA did incredibly inferior versions of their XBox/PS2 titles for the 360 because exactly this kind of "exclusive special" contract with Microsoft says the 360 versions had to be released simultaneously.

King_Ghidra
06-10-2006, 08:06:26
well apparently this year's fifa is one of the best ever...

maroule
06-10-2006, 08:33:18
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
I just read an article that claimed EA did incredibly inferior versions of their XBox/PS2 titles for the 360 because exactly this kind of "exclusive special" contract with Microsoft says the 360 versions had to be released simultaneously.

:confused: could you translate?

Funko
06-10-2006, 08:35:39
Article claims that EA rushes out XBox 360 titles because of their contract with microsoft.

maroule
06-10-2006, 09:13:52
ah

the world cup one was certainly crap
did this rushing extend to the 07 version?

Scabrous Birdseed
08-10-2006, 08:26:32
Actually, having read the article again, it was quite a bit worse than that.

Apparently if a title was to be released on the XBOX 360 more than two months after the other console versions, it had to be "substantially different" according to the contract.

EA solved this by simply removing a bunch of features in each title, like half the courses in Tiger Woods.

Asher
09-10-2006, 02:43:35
That's absolutely rubbish.

The problem is their "next-gen" games are NOT ports, they're completely new engines. They, as such, are not as feature-complete as the 5-year old engines of previous generations.

Scabrous Birdseed
09-10-2006, 06:32:51
So do you deny that a Microsoft has set a "timeframe of conversion"? 'Cause that's fairly official.

Scabrous Birdseed
09-10-2006, 06:34:28
Found an english version of the story BTW:

http://www.gon.se/view.phtml?id=6672

Asher
09-10-2006, 16:45:43
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
So do you deny that a Microsoft has set a "timeframe of conversion"? 'Cause that's fairly official.
Absolutely, considering previous games have come out much later without any changes (GTA3, MGS, etc).

The story is bullshit. EA is relying on brand new engines for "next-gen" games -- PS3 and Xbox 360 both -- which is why both of those games are missing features from PS2/Xbox games which are more mature. This is very, very official...

Asher
09-10-2006, 16:49:01
It's also obviously bullshit when you look at games by, say, 2K Sports -- they use last-gen's engines upgraded for the new consoles. NHL 2K7 on Xbox, PS2, Xbox 360, and (soon to be) PS3 are all feature-identical.

Fistandantilus
10-10-2006, 12:47:50
PES5 is poorly designed btw.
Played 4 games yesterday with a friend of mine, four milan derby and I lost them all (for a 9-1 aggregate score in Milan's favour). I sincerely hope this bug is fixed in PES6.

Funko
10-10-2006, 12:49:59
:lol:

King_Ghidra
10-10-2006, 13:03:51
:lol: /hug

Playing master league on 6 stars yesterday with my team of child prodigies i succumbed to a 3-2 defeat in a CL game vs milan. Shevvy got a hat-trick, including the game winner in stoppage time. Very cruel.

Actually for the first time this week i scored an overhead kick too. Scored a few scissor kicks before but not of the overhead variety. Absolutely stunning. Not bad for a year's worth of play.

King_Ghidra
23-10-2006, 10:23:27
I'm starting to think i may go with the ps2 version.

Hearing some less than awesome stuff about the 360 version on pesfan, e.g. cannot save replays, cannot edit teams or kits, cannot transfer players etc.

Funko
23-10-2006, 10:24:24
That's really shit if true.

King_Ghidra
23-10-2006, 10:36:03
Yeah. Interestingly i also read the entire bundesliga is out for all versions because of licensing issues.

Actually pesfan is throwing up lots of interesting info. apparently the 360 and ps2 versions do play noticeably differently and basically have a different game engine.

Funko
23-10-2006, 10:44:26
Yeah, they'd have to if they want to use all the extra features the 360 gives to make the graphics really look better.

King_Ghidra
23-10-2006, 10:59:06
Seems like the best option is to buy pes6 for ps2 this year and then pick up pes7 for 360 next year when they finish the job.

Well i'm glad i bothered to do a bit of research anyway. Saved me a few quid and some disappointment.

BTW, another dumb thing: No emirates stadium in any of the versions, and it said that stamford bridge has been removed?!

Funko
23-10-2006, 11:03:06
Another licencing issue?

maroule
23-10-2006, 11:07:00
I'll buy it as soon as it comes out (I need my fix), will let you know

King_Ghidra
23-10-2006, 11:08:27
god knows. very bizarre. highbury is still in btw.

i'm not anal enough that the editing is essential to me, but from what i hear the 360 graphics aren't even that much of an improvement, so why pay for a virtually identical game with less features?

strage move on konami's part

Funko
23-10-2006, 11:12:05
And not so good for Microsoft either. The first PES was what got me to buy a PS2, but it came out nearly a year after the PS2 launch and on no previous generation formats. Possibly next year if PES 7 is next gen only I'll consider upgrading at that point...

maroule
23-10-2006, 11:49:05
there is a pretty good site here called jeuxvideoTV and they did a 5 minutes review of the game, actually playing a match

can't judge what the graphics will look like on a HD TV, but the gameplay looked significantly altered. That to me is key, the editing and stadium I don't care about

I just can't live with international players unable to complete a 5 meter pass, unable to turn on themselves quicker than my grandmother, or the quickest players in the game (Martins, Henry) being always caught by all the slowest defenders of low ranking teams (like they're pushing forward a 50 kg cannon ball), and the refs blowing more often than a 5$ thai crack whore

Funko
23-10-2006, 11:51:19
:lol:

King_Ghidra
23-10-2006, 12:07:52
yeah i've just been watching a few videos of games on youtube. you can certainly see the differences between the 360 and ps2 versions

regarding the last point maroule made, from what i saw, when players get clear they're not caught up as easily. other thing was obvious was the reduced number of fouls. but overall the ps2 version looks incredibly similar to pes5.

Funko
23-10-2006, 12:09:07
Which is no big surprise.

King_Ghidra
23-10-2006, 12:15:50
yeah sure, pes5 was arguably guilty of the same thing, but...you know, it's still slightly disappointing. it's almost getting to the Madden-type stage where you have to ask if it's really worth upgrading

i mean the gameplay tweaks sound great, but they're very few, and as far as the options and suchlike there's no extra features there at all

so your £30 isn't buying too much really

Funko
23-10-2006, 12:19:42
Very true...

It's difficult to know what "massively upgraded AI" will really mean in-game. Also when they are pushing such boring improvements as: "exciting new gameplay modes. An International Challenge involves leading your home country to victory through a series of entry and tournament rounds, while a Random mode lets the player play quick games within randomly-generated match day settings"

It's a bit worrying.

But it is always great to get the new version and find out all the new little quirks.

maroule
23-10-2006, 12:26:32
my 30£ will be buying me the game, since I destroyed the last one, plus it will run on HD (my PES5 looked very weird on 1080i)

another 3 days to wait...

King_Ghidra
23-10-2006, 12:36:43
One thing that is clear, it should be a bit easier than last time.

for a start, there are only 5 skill levels and no purchaseable 6th level. secondly, seabass himself said something to the effect that they made pes5 with the aim being 2-1 and 1-1 type scorelines, whereas with pes6 they accepted it was ok to have a 5-0

actually one thing i noticed from the youtube videos, players running with the ball tend to shrug off physical challenges much more. in pes5 they would have led to niggling freekicks, but now the attacking player is bumped a little but keeps moving, retains possession and play continues. this seemed to have a significant positive impact.

King_Ghidra
23-10-2006, 13:01:51
Great sig from pesfan:

Make sure you juggle PES play and girl play otherwise you will end up sad and on your own.

Im lucky to have a beautiful woman, take care of the two most important and volatile relationships of your life: PES and your LADY

Funko
23-10-2006, 13:26:50
Yeah, I'm a little worried they've made it too easy to place nice attractive attacking football so my robust, direct style will be penalised again. :cute:

Fistandantilus
24-10-2006, 13:38:22
Originally posted by maroule
... or the quickest players in the game (Martins, Henry) being always caught by all the slowest defenders of low ranking teams ...

Not sure if widening the gap between good and bad players is good.

I'd like to be able to pick a shit team (aka Inter) and have the chance to beat a good team nevertheless.

Last night a friend and me played a bit of NBA Live 2vsAI. We picked Utah against Phoenix and lost twice by a 20 points margin... then we switched teams and with me as Steve Nash and he as Shawn Marion we went and beat Utah by 69 points!

That's a bit too much imo, I don't like when stats overcome player skill that way..

Funko
24-10-2006, 13:49:18
With the double tap direction dribble and the two run speeds I don't find you get caught too often by slow players... it is very hard to sprint at high speed and turning, keep hold of the ball and set yourself to shoot... it's possibly a little too far in the favour of the defender in PES 5 but not massively.

You still need to be good at the game to pull off a great run and goal with a great player and I think that's as it should be.

maroule
24-10-2006, 13:49:34
Originally posted by Fistandantilus

I'd like to be able to pick a shit team (aka Inter) and have the chance to beat a good team nevertheless.



I suspect Inter will not be a shit team by a mile, since only the individual value of players is considered

I'd say Inter will be super strong, like in PES05, because they can't or won't model the "disorganisation factor" in some underachieving clubs (Inter, PSG, etc.)

as for picking a genuinely shit team and beating a genuinely strong one, I'm sure it will be possible... in the same proportion it happens in reality (aka not often)

Funko
24-10-2006, 13:53:31
Really this game is testing the skill of the player not the computer generated characters. Playing a good team against a bad team is a kind of natural handicapping. Having a lot of relatively even, strong club sides is a very good thing for variety. If they modeled inter as being shit that would basically mean no-one would ever use them.

I wouldn't expect to play someone who's a similar level at the game to me, with a much worse team and win. But I do often play as shit teams against people who are less familiar with the game to make it more competitive.

Funko
27-10-2006, 14:08:46
Was going to buy this at lunchtime but the whole of Henley is sold out. :eek:

(admittedly, there aren't many places you can get it here...)

maroule
27-10-2006, 14:15:17
same here, tried to buy it yesterday, out of stocks

Funko
27-10-2006, 14:48:37
I'm hoping I can pick one up on the way home.

Funko
30-10-2006, 10:24:09
Haven't played a huge amount of games, maybe 10/12 so far but some interesting changes.

In the "international challenge" (ie. Unlicenced World Cup) you can pick your squad from all players of your nationality rather than just the 20 odd players in the starting squad.

Haven't quite worked out how quick free kicks buy you anything...

The computer AI is much improved, seems to read the game a lot better. You can no longer make a lot of passes without thinking, although your player is probably where you think he is the AI will most likely intercept unless you work a space first. On the plus side, dribbling is improved so making some space is easier.

In my international cup run I had a bizarre 4-2 win vs Latvia in the first game (2-2 after 25 mins) and then had 3 consecutive 0-0 draws.

Best thing of all though... Reading are in it! Berkshire Blues they are called but all the player names are right.

Funko
30-10-2006, 10:25:20
Oh goalkeepers are a bit gaffe prone... I think possibly too much. I had an AI keeper save on the goal line and then just lie near the ball as my striker ran 12 yards to boot the ball from next to his hands into the goal... dodgy.

maroule
30-10-2006, 10:45:13
bizarre, yes, the Berkshire Blues player should have crashed his knee in his head

King_Ghidra
30-10-2006, 11:44:24
I was 'lucky' enough to be sick on thurs and friday last week but my misery at being stuck at home with no interet connection was relieved when i foudn out pes6 was in the shops on thurs.

As a result i've had c. 4 days with it so far, and i've played about 50 matches so far. Here's my impressions:


Scoring from crosses (with headers) is significantly easier, also i found it a lot easier to make play down the wings rather than through the centre.

Defending corners seems harder, this is probably mainly related to playing the AI, have to see how a human compares. It might be related to the ease of scoring headers, period. I certainly have scored a lot of goals direct from corners.

The famous reduction in niggly free kicks is extremely evident, there are far fewer, and the games actually feel really short because there are so many less stoppages.
Conversely, yellow cards are common for mistimed challenges.
The balance feels right now on the above, this is a major plus for me.

It is much harder to score from free kicks, and combined with less free kicks being given in the first place, this has become a minimal source of goals (in fact i haven't scored one at all yet, and i used to get one maybe every 3-4 games in pes5).

Shooting seems more difficult, it is very easy to sky the ball over the bar, frustratingly so in fact. On the other hand, it seems possible to score from some angles that weren't very productive before. Also goalkeepers very frequently parry the ball allowing follow up goals or goalmouth scrambles, which seems a bit more realstic.

I can't work out if they've changed the behaviour of the square button for pressing with defenders, but i have found this to be less effective. Defending seemed harder across the board actually, and certainly the computer seemed to find it easier to make chances against me.

Tactical options changes seem to be mainly limited to making things easier for those who aren't experts, which is probably a good thing, as most of the options like man marking or running a sweeper system were probably unused by 95% of people.


Overall, i find pes6 to be a lot more fun. With the niggly fouls removed, and more productive attacking play and goals it will probably be better received by casual players too.

maroule
30-10-2006, 11:48:58
that's good stuff
I've been trumpeting this game for ever, and I'm the only one not playing it :(

Funko
30-10-2006, 12:20:24
Oh another thing I noticed is that the "quick shot" or whatever they are calling it now, has been changed so that you can actually perform it fairly regularly which is nice. Catch a bouncing ball at the right point and watch it fizz satisfyingly fast off the foot (and go wide).

maroule
31-10-2006, 09:24:31
got it yesterday, but only played about an hour of it
pretty cool so far, the games are now flying past me!
Much more fluidity, good AI on the opponent (excellent pressing), less so for your players


on 'normal', two gripes:

- when I tackle, the tackled player is nearly always getting back the ball (he doesn't fall, and springs back into action immediately, while the tackler is still on the ground). This is not something I see in real life football (at my level or as a spectator)

- how, when you have the ball in some situations, your team mates don't make much of an effort to loose their marker. Twice, as a defender, I had a very agressive pressing from the opposing forwards, and my fellow defenders were not making the slightest effort to offer an alternative (and the defensive midfielder was looking somewhere else, instead of sprinting back to offer a solution). Again, in real life, any manager would get cazy over that (maybe I notice only because I'm playing as a defender and get yelled at in these situations).

On the attack, it seems a bit more realistic: attackers do seem to try to shrug defenders, and defenders pursue them aggressively.

As the game gets better, we're even more demanding. For me, the next big effort from the developpers must come in simulating off the ball mouvement, which is the most crucial aspect of modern football (and probably the most difficult to simulate).

Funko
31-10-2006, 09:37:05
If you really get into the strategy stuff you can tell your players to make better runs. I think the difference between 5 and 6 is that in 5 the players made the runs but now in 6 the defenders are anticipating them...

18 games down now and I'm starting to find space and runners a lot more often.

maroule
31-10-2006, 10:44:15
"If you really get into the strategy stuff you can tell your players to make better runs"

anybody know how? I'm a bit lost in this section

King_Ghidra
31-10-2006, 11:03:39
Originally posted by maroule
- when I tackle, the tackled player is nearly always getting back the ball (he doesn't fall, and springs back into action immediately, while the tackler is still on the ground). This is not something I see in real life football (at my level or as a spectator)

This is a good point, i meant to make a comment about this. My fear for two-player is that the combination of this fact with the fact that you can't easily bump players off the ball or use pressing to win possession is that it might just lead to a succession of unstoppable one-man dribbling runs.

I already found in various games that any player with high dribbling skills was often able to just keep going and going forever, surviving tackle after tackle, until he could make space to get a shot off.

In particular i have scored quite a few goals with wingers cutting into the 18 yd box from the wings and hitting shots across the goal into the far corner.

Interestingly they made a big deal about cutting out the effectiveness of the drag-back type passes from wingers, as this was perceived to be a bit broken in pes5 (i never played this way so i didn't notice it much, but it was much hated by online players as i understand it). It certainly is fixed, try cutting into the box and squaring the ball and it is almost always cut out by a defender. OTOH dribbling round all the defenders and shooting it straight in seems very effective. Go figure.

King_Ghidra
31-10-2006, 11:07:21
Maroule if you go the formations screen and pick

Individual

then there is an item called

Attacking

i think. Basically you end up with a little screen with an 8 directional arrow on it, and you can select any two. The player will then make more runs in these directions in attacking situations.

Funko
31-10-2006, 11:14:10
Yeah, that seems to do the trick also choosing counter attack (in the simple settings you can select counter attack by selecting both attacking and defensive formation) or just attacking in the simple settings seems to help.

King_Ghidra
31-10-2006, 11:22:52
This thread on pesfan explains the basic stuff from pes5, and it's basically the same for pes6:

http://www.pesfan.co.uk/bulletin/showthread.php?t=83044

maroule
31-10-2006, 11:28:28
cheers

King_Ghidra
31-10-2006, 14:03:07
Re:

Originally posted by King_Ghidra
Scoring from crosses (with headers) is significantly easier, also i found it a lot easier to make play down the wings rather than through the centre.

This was a post from someone on pesfan (specifically regarding master league) who was a very experienced Pes5 player:

Again, I'm not complaining because Im not winning. That's not my point at all. I just feel, that 70% of my goals will be result of wing back runs past 2 opponents, crosses and someone heads it home simply because CPU pressures way too hard to create any kind of space in the middle. So maybe, when my team develops, players are getting better, there will be more space all around the field.

Great minds think alike obviously.

Another point to make, is that the L1 and trangle chipped through ball is not as crap any more. Welcome back.

Funko
31-10-2006, 14:17:49
Yeah, that is a very welcome return. Especially combined with the half volley shot.

Funko
01-11-2006, 11:58:48
Had my first games vs humans last night. (can you say PvP or is that MMORPG only?)

Chelsea (me) vs Barca - How the hell do you tackle Ronaldinho? Lost 1-0 and drew 1-1.

Reading (me) vs Newcastle - three epic draws 2-2, 2-2, 1-1. Owen scored all 5 for Newcastle, I couldn't cope with him.

Very entertaining stuff. :beer:

King_Ghidra
01-11-2006, 12:56:02
Was the human Steve?

Funko
01-11-2006, 13:05:44
He was in the Newcastle games, Ross was Barca.

Funko
01-11-2006, 13:06:56
Oh I forgot a game, I also beat Steve 2-0 as chelsea and him as Barca... knew I must have had 1 win. :o

King_Ghidra
01-11-2006, 13:23:07
do those guys both own pes6?

Funko
01-11-2006, 13:41:16
Ross does, and has probably played about as much as me. It does seem to be easier for the novice (with a better team) to compete with someone who's played more, with a worse team.

Funko
01-11-2006, 13:50:02
Well for Owen anyway, I think it was close to 5 shots 5 goals from him, no-one else really had a chance.

Funko
20-11-2006, 10:30:35
It seems K_G is the best, he won a league and cup double at our 9 player PES tournament at the weekend. :beer:

maroule
20-11-2006, 10:35:13
I'm still struggling to win matches on 'normal'...

I don't think I'm improving at all, I started on that level about two year ago! what a fucking frustrating game

Funko
20-11-2006, 11:00:58
The AI is much harder on PES6 than PES5 (IMO).

King_Ghidra
20-11-2006, 12:03:05
I think it's pretty debatable. It certainly plays a brutal pressing game that makes play through the centre very difficult.

Having played a lot of games on top player now i think it is easier than pes5, simply because it is easier to score goals period. After a year of playing pes5 i would still get many goalless draws with the computer, and never thrash it, but in this one i score in pretty much every game, and have hit three on many occasions.

Maroule, i would stick with normal and try and perfect playing down the wings and whipping crosses in. Pick a team with two good wingers and two decent tall strikers and see how you get on. That should be effective against the computer. If you can get that down you can move on to cracking the nut of playing through the centre.

Funko
20-11-2006, 12:11:06
Fair enough. I've played about 35/40 games vs the computer and I'm still really struggling to score on Top Player. Most of my games vs the computer on Top Player don't feature more than 2 goals. Mostly 1-0 or 0-1s really.

Struggling to score against good players with solid defences was my downfall on Saturday, lost 1-0 against both the rival title contendors in the league, and lost 2-1 to Joe in the cup.

maroule
13-12-2006, 12:55:58
starting to play better, on medium rating, I'm stringing victories together, first in the league (arsenal), qualified in the CL in a tough group with still one game to play, so I receive Inter at home, for that last macth, full of confidence and wanting to top the group... I have finally cracked this game, I reason, I have done some good transfers (it's my second season) and my team is balanced, I can mash the buttons in a more effective way now...



and of course Inter trashes me 4-1, two from Ibra, and a comedy own goal from Eboué :cry: :bash: :lol:

King_Ghidra
13-12-2006, 13:31:40
I managed to win the Master League Div 1 on Top Player last weekend. It was a hell of a struggle but i pipped Bayern Munich to the crown by 2pts.

Been trying to win the domestic leagues but it is as hard as fuck. The best team, e.g. barca in la liga and chelsea in the premiership, just win every game, it is so hard to keep up the pace. Still playing as newcastle in the premiership has been a great challenge, and i managed my biggest win against the computer on top player this week, 5-0 against charlton (i think). That said, playing as inter i lost 1-4 to lazio while trying the serie a season, so the computer still has it.

Oh and i bought the penguin costume from the pes shop. It looks very funny, and the players make a kind of wobbly noise when they run. I pitched a team in penguin outfits against a team i had edited to have all the dog heads. Classic stuff.

Funko
13-12-2006, 13:35:05
I haven't actually played since our tournament.

Tizzy
13-12-2006, 14:58:35
I wanted to see the tournament cup final match played in penguin costumes.

King_Ghidra
13-12-2006, 15:03:50
see how the wishes of the fans are trampled over by the whims of the big clubs

Tizzy
13-12-2006, 15:12:58
It's despicable.
Despicable!

maroule
13-12-2006, 15:38:33
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
see how the wishes of the fans are trampled over by the whims of the big clubs

more a case of football becoming the toy of bored billionaires who trample the ideals of penguins

King_Ghidra
13-12-2006, 16:01:02
why stop at the ideals, the penguins themselves should be trampled too

Venom
13-12-2006, 16:02:40
Use the Candians they're experts at slaying artic creatures.

Funko
13-12-2006, 16:06:56
Penguins are Antarctic.

Venom
13-12-2006, 16:10:59
What I'm saying is that it's cold where the penguins are. Unless they're at the zoo.

Tizzy
13-12-2006, 16:19:58
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
why stop at the ideals, the penguins themselves should be trampled too

that would have made for a much more interesting tourney.

Sir Penguin
14-12-2006, 04:57:04
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
why stop at the ideals, the penguins themselves should be trampled too
Hey, fuck you too.

SP

King_Ghidra
14-12-2006, 09:15:25
Originally posted by Venom
Use the Candians they're experts at slaying artic creatures.

Originally posted by Venom
What I'm saying is that it's cold where the penguins are. Unless they're at the zoo.

what you're saying sounds remarkably like the ramblings of a drunk

Funko
14-12-2006, 09:19:56
ie. Originally posted by Venom

King_Ghidra
05-02-2007, 16:43:02
Yesterday i passed over 350 games played on pes6 in total. Thanks to my perseverance in maintaining my spreadsheet i have some stats to share.

Pretty much all of those have been played on top player level, and my overall break-down of results is roughly: win 50% draw 30% lose 20%. It has fluctuated a bit (wins was about 45% at lowest) but pretty much been like that since day 1.

Goal average is about 2 per game, 1.3 to me and .7 to the computer. I think the highest scoring game i have had is 5-1, but the computer has also beaten me 3-1 on a couple of occasions.

I find i go through spells of playing it atm. Before last week i hadn't played it for about a month. Then i find i start a ML campaign or something and play all evening. atm i'm playing a ML camaign with the classic players all enabled. My attacking force of dragan stoijkovic, carlos valderrama, kevin keegan, george best and eusebio is tearing the league up.

maroule
05-02-2007, 16:56:09
"pretty much been like that since day 1."
same hereOut of two years of playing it, I've had two periods of progressing visibly and then hitting a plateau... the periods of growth last about a week, and then it's a plateau of non improvement for a year... really strange

that is very very unusual for any game, in fact I can't think of any game where any player doesn't become much better fairly rapidly.