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Kitsuki
15-08-2006, 10:05:42
I sometimes really wonder if people actually know what it means to be racist... I don't think, at least in the UK, that it has filtered down to people what racism is, only that it is a Bad Thing.

Why do people on the verge of saying highly racist things always prefix them with a "Im not racist and I have a black friend / wife / cat/ car." For example, see this -

I'm absolutely NOT racist (my other half is of Indian descent).

However, I'm having a REAL problem with Jews at the moment....

Our company's owner is one and he is the MOST DESPICABLE individual I've ever come across - so self-centered it is UNTRUE

Now this is one person who posts on another board I periodically post on... What is this nonsense? He prefixes his statement saying he isnt a racist, then comes out with that...

I had a go, and he says I am twisting his post to make him sound racist? Do people understand what the hell it is, or do they just know of some vague concept which is bad and socially unacceptable? He even argued that the above doesn't imply that his boss is nasty because he is a Jew....

/sigh

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 10:19:55
That's so dumb it almost looks like a parody.

Is this a Conservative board perchance?

Mr. Bas
15-08-2006, 10:28:03
I like his capitalization.

Kitsuki
15-08-2006, 10:47:38
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
That's so dumb it almost looks like a parody.

Is this a Conservative board perchance?

Nope, local Swindon one.

He really defended himself vociferously, to the point where he was trying to paint me as somehow twisting his words... Pretty clear cut to me...

mr_G
15-08-2006, 10:48:02
I laaik those stjoepit ppl.

may i kick'm in the balls.

C.G.B. Spender
15-08-2006, 10:48:57
You fucking jew-loving racist bastard

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 11:11:46
Hey, everybody is talking about the jews and everything, but those germans were no darlings either in WW II.

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 11:14:23
they were the darlings of the parisian and channel island girls

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 11:15:28
Moffenhoer!!!

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 12:08:04
Mel Gibson on the Jews

NSFW, in a racist slursound way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN75px-0KIo

Funko
15-08-2006, 12:12:34
I don't think I've ever heard a sentence started with "I'm not racist but..." that didn't end up being a racist statement.

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 12:13:37
- FACT!

MDA
15-08-2006, 12:15:04
eh, not funny at work

the "jeeeeews!" coming out of my speakers is attracting attention

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 12:16:13
:lol: :o Sorry. I'll put up a notice.

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 12:20:11
I'm not racist, but i certainly enjoyed playing PES5 last night.

Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it funko.

mr_G
15-08-2006, 12:21:23
I'm not a racist but i like to drive very fast.

Funko
15-08-2006, 12:28:10
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
I'm not racist, but i certainly enjoyed playing PES5 last night.

Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it funko.

Now I have. :beer:

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 12:35:11
I still have to hear it.

Mr. Bas
15-08-2006, 12:38:29
Posting periodically on a board would be a bitch.

Resource Consumer
15-08-2006, 12:59:20
Now this is one person who posts on another board I periodically post on... What is this nonsense? He prefixes his statement saying he isnt a racist, then comes out with that...

Solution - don't post on other boards :)

C.G.B. Spender
15-08-2006, 13:06:24
Originally posted by Funko
I don't think I've ever heard a sentence started with "I'm not racist but..." that didn't end up being a racist statement.
I'm not a racist but I think, therefore I am.

C.G.B. Spender
15-08-2006, 13:07:54
You are right, if you start a generic sentence with "I'm not a racist but" it sounds racistic

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 13:10:50
I'm not a racist, but i like my coffee white

Resource Consumer
15-08-2006, 13:11:16
I wonder if anyone has tried starting non-racist statements with the words "I am a racist"

for example:

"I am a racist but I had steak for dinner" or something like that. It could be a whole new fashion

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 13:13:45
"I'm a racist, but I do like asian women"

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 13:14:55
Ah like Ron Atkinson, 'I am a racist, but i occasionally comment on football matters too.'

mr_G
15-08-2006, 13:14:57
I'm a racist but my last car was a fiat panda

C.G.B. Spender
15-08-2006, 13:15:08
I'm not a racist, but I'm a racist

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 13:17:13
I'm not a racist
So don't forget
It's just a silly phase
I'm going through
And just because
I call you nigger
Don't get me wrong
Don't think you've got it made

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 13:19:35
drekkus said nigger

Funko
15-08-2006, 13:19:37
I'm not a racist but I really hate the Grand National.

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 13:27:35
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
drekkus said nigger Usually I wear a crash helmet and go stand in a group of big afro american men when I say that.

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 13:28:39
like this?

http://www.thegreenhead.com/watercooler/images/15-pound-cheeseburger-1.jpg

Mr. Bas
15-08-2006, 13:32:09
Why afro americans and not Surinamers or Antillians? Racist!

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 13:33:13
It's a scene from a movie, can't remember the title.

C.G.B. Spender
15-08-2006, 13:34:55
Rex Kramer, Danger Seeker. It's from KFM I think

mr_G
15-08-2006, 13:35:59
Originally posted by Drekkus
It's a scene from a movie, can't remember the title. lethal weapon 2?

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 13:41:18
VIncent is genius!

nsfw, sound wise


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYzsskE5ObA

mr_G
15-08-2006, 13:51:17
drekkus the new youtube-king.

Nills Lagerbaak
15-08-2006, 13:52:59
Hmm, it's only the middle part that fucks him up....
If he had said:


"I'm absolutely NOT racist (my other half is of Indian descent).

Our company's owner is a jew and he is the MOST DESPICABLE individual I've ever come across - so self-centered it is UNTRUE"

He's saying that he doesn't like his boss (who happens to be a jew) but also that he doesn't want to be mistaken for hating all jews.

Japher
15-08-2006, 13:55:19
I hate races!

Of all the races, I hate Kentucky Derby the most. It is the biggest exploitation of horses in the entire world! I mean, come on! They're just horses!

C.G.B. Spender
15-08-2006, 14:00:51
I'm not a racist, but I'm a jew

mr_G
15-08-2006, 14:01:23
a german jew

Japher
15-08-2006, 14:02:16
who makes pizzas for a living

mr_G
15-08-2006, 14:03:19
and for his kitchen?

Japher
15-08-2006, 14:04:20
I'm not a jew, but I hate bagels and lox

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 14:05:46
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Hmm, it's only the middle part that fucks him up....
If he had said:


"I'm absolutely NOT racist (my other half is of Indian descent).

Our company's owner is a jew and he is the MOST DESPICABLE individual I've ever come across - so self-centered it is UNTRUE"

He's saying that he doesn't like his boss (who happens to be a jew) but also that he doesn't want to be mistaken for hating all jews.

No, had he not mentioned, racism, jews or indians then he wouldn't have fucked up.

no one would have looked twice if he had just written:

"Our company's owner is the MOST DESPICABLE individual I've ever come across - so self-centered it is UNTRUE"

Japher
15-08-2006, 14:08:19
maybe he should have opened the comment with a joke, that way he wouldn't of been taken seriously

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 14:11:36
have

mr_G
15-08-2006, 14:12:51
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
"Our company's owner is the MOST DESPICABLE individual I've ever come across - so self-centered it is UNTRUE" sure you will, if it was my post

Japher
15-08-2006, 14:15:28
have



of

Chris
15-08-2006, 14:41:59
Is it racist to say this thread sucks?

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 14:42:19
no, just highly accurate

Kitsuki
15-08-2006, 14:59:58
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
no, just highly accurate

Racist!

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 15:03:43
X-fear!

:shoot:

Cruddy
15-08-2006, 15:03:58
"I am not a racist but" is a really STUPID way to begin a sentence.

Nearly as dumb as bending over to pick up the soap...

Chris
15-08-2006, 15:04:33
I'm not racist, but this thread sucks.

Funko
15-08-2006, 15:09:24
I'm not racist but I'll pick up the soap anyway.

Nills Lagerbaak
15-08-2006, 15:29:47
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
No, had he not mentioned, racism, jews or indians then he wouldn't have fucked up.

no one would have looked twice if he had just written:

"Our company's owner is the MOST DESPICABLE individual I've ever come across - so self-centered it is UNTRUE"

I see what Kitsuki means now :)

He hadn't made any generalisations until that point. Saying he has an Indian wife is just a fact - an irrelevant fact although it means (unless he's odd) he doesn't hate indians. Saying his boss is a jew and dispicable is just another couple of facts.

My boss is an indian and is dispicable - nothing racist there.

Chris
15-08-2006, 15:40:47
Racist.

Funko
15-08-2006, 15:42:51
Under Nills' rationale, is Prince Philip saying "this looks like it was put in by Indians" just a statement of fact and not racist?

Nills Lagerbaak
15-08-2006, 15:44:52
Well.... if that statement was removed from context then yes, it would be fine.

(Like taking the middle sentence out of Kitsuki's quote).

Mr. Bas
15-08-2006, 15:47:40
Technically speaking, Nills is right. It could be interpreted as not being racist, although it's not the most likely explanation.

He has an indian wife, which is a fact. He has problems with (some) jews, of which he mentions one, and he does not claim it's because of their jewishness (although that's the obvious implication). And he states that his boss is a jew (fact) and that he's despicable and self-centered. He does not claim that all jews are like that.

Nills Lagerbaak
15-08-2006, 15:54:42
Yeah, think the key is in "I have problems with Jews at the moment"

If he means some Jews or the Jews he knows - not racist.
If he means all Jews, then his next statement is read in the context of a generalisation and the whole thing can be considered racist.

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 15:54:49
I'm not a racist, but I have a problem with Bosses

Funko
15-08-2006, 15:57:57
If he didn't think he was going to say something people would think was racist, he wouldn't have qualified it with the opening about his wife.

I think K_G's right. There's absolutely no valid reason to mention race or religion in the opening post. Unless his problem is that his boss is trying to convert him (and his Indian wife) to Judaism or something.

Funko
15-08-2006, 15:59:24
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Yeah, think the key is in "I have problems with Jews at the moment"

If he means some Jews or the Jews he knows - not racist.
If he means all Jews, then his next statement is read in the context of a generalisation and the whole thing can be considered racist.


It's racist either way because even in the best case he's characterising the people who he knows that he's having problems with as "Jews". He's not considering that he has a collection of problems with a collection of unrelated individuals.

Nills Lagerbaak
15-08-2006, 16:02:53
There are contexts where that wouldn't be racist at all.

e.g.

Person 1: I have never met an unpleasant Jew!
Person2: I am not racist but - my boss is a jew and he is despicable etc. etc"

Nills Lagerbaak
15-08-2006, 16:05:01
Originally posted by Funko
It's racist either way because even in the best case he's characterising the people who he knows that he's having problems with as "Jews". He's not considering that he has a collection of problems with a collection of unrelated individuals.

Not so. all his Jewish friends may be behaving in a particular manner that he doesn't like right now. The common factor is the fact that they are Jews. Of course this only applies if all the Jes he knows are behaving like this, but it's entirely possible.

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 16:05:38
both remarks could be considered racist. If you put behavioural characterstic of individual people on groups, that generalisation is just wrong.

Nills Lagerbaak
15-08-2006, 16:08:30
not if you know every person in that group. That is why it's important to know if he's talking about "all Jews" or "the Jews he knows"

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 16:11:12
it's still generalising. Even a group can not be held equal to everyone in that race. Might be a very annoying little group.

Mr. Bas
15-08-2006, 16:14:30
It's probably generalising, but the point is that it's not the only possible interpretation. The non-racist interpretation is that he has problems with at least two people, who both happen to be jews. He's not claiming (not directly at least) that he has a problem with their jewishness.

Nills Lagerbaak
15-08-2006, 16:16:49
Exactly. I've probably said the same thing about people X But then I'd qualify it with "...well the ones I know".

I don't consider that racist.

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 16:22:40
He wouldn't mention their jewishness if he didn't make a connection between that and the dislike. He doesn't dislike them because they are jewish, but the dislike for a few makes him think that all jews might be dislikable. That is racism, maybe in a light version, but still is.

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 16:24:33
Originally posted by Japher
of

have

you're a retard

Japher
15-08-2006, 16:25:23
I know you are but what am I

Nills Lagerbaak
15-08-2006, 16:27:27
Originally posted by Drekkus
He wouldn't mention their jewishness if he didn't make a connection between that and the dislike. He doesn't dislike them because they are jewish, but the dislike for a few makes him think that all jews might be dislikable. That is racism, maybe in a light version, but still is.

I hate analy retentive arguments like this but I can;'t help myself at the moment.

It is entirely possible all his Jewish friends (2 or 3) can be behaving in a particular way mainly due to their Jewish-ness at a particular time. he is merely pointing out the fact.

Funko
15-08-2006, 16:28:24
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Exactly. I've probably said the same thing about people X But then I'd qualify it with "...well the ones I know".

I don't consider that racist.


eg. "black people are all stupid, well the ones I know..."
"Jews are tight, well the ones I know..."

How can that possibly not be racist?

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 16:35:28
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
... behaving in a particular way mainly due to their Jewish-ness at a particular time... "behaving jewish" is an insuation in itself.

Mr. Bas
15-08-2006, 16:50:30
I have a real problem with christians, because they insist on ringing the church bells on sunday morning.

I have a real problem with frisians, they have annoying accents.

They, because of their culture or background, have a habit that annoys me. The implication need not be that the people in that group are inferior, and it's therefore not necessarily a racist statement.

Venom
15-08-2006, 17:10:19
I'm not a racist. I hate everybody.

Japher
15-08-2006, 17:10:53
you hate the human race?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Venom
15-08-2006, 17:17:41
I hate animals too.

Japher
15-08-2006, 17:40:06
well, who doesn't?

C.G.B. Spender
15-08-2006, 18:05:27
What about plants or rocks?

LoD
15-08-2006, 18:26:46
Drekkus is right.

Tizzy
15-08-2006, 18:40:19
No-one's ever said that before

Venom
15-08-2006, 18:46:37
Originally posted by C.G.B. Spender
What about plants or rocks?

Fuck those mother fuckers.

Chris
15-08-2006, 20:03:02
Racist.

Diss
16-08-2006, 04:42:43
I have no black friends. Actually I don't have any friends as all. I guess that makes me racist against the entire human race. Or a loser. One or the other.

Diss
16-08-2006, 04:48:10
Originally posted by Cruddy
"I am not a racist but" is a really STUPID way to begin a sentence.

Nearly as dumb as bending over to pick up the soap...

how else are you going to get the soap back?

MoSe
16-08-2006, 08:34:09
Originally posted by Diss
how else are you going to get the soap black?

bending racist

Nills Lagerbaak
16-08-2006, 08:34:26
Originally posted by Drekkus
"behaving jewish" is an insuation in itself.


ah, another day, another pointless argument!

If a group of people are behaving a certain way and that it can be shown it is because of their race / religion, then it is not racist to point that out.

e.g.
"I have a real problem with Christians at the moment, they seem hell bent on stopping stem cell research."

As long as it's a group of christians you know to be doing that...then where is the problem?

King_Ghidra
16-08-2006, 08:58:27
someone ban nils quick

Funko
16-08-2006, 09:01:09
In that case, lots of Christians don't want to stop stem cell research, so you are using a sample of a few Christians to make a generalisation about all Christians. Which is bad.

mr_G
16-08-2006, 09:02:38
my best friend is a gay twat

Tizzy
16-08-2006, 09:04:12
So is your boss

mr_G
16-08-2006, 09:05:59
don't tell him

Tizzy
16-08-2006, 09:07:03
I won't, it's a secret

MoSe
16-08-2006, 09:11:28
Originally posted by Funko
you are using a sample of a few Christians

a living sample?
which cells did you take the sample from?

C-Beast!

(C for Cells)

Funko
16-08-2006, 09:20:33
It's a sample from Christian Bale, Terry Christian and The Christians

MoSe
16-08-2006, 09:23:01
you kept Linda out?
you must b racist

mr_G
16-08-2006, 09:23:53
I'm a racist i think black ppl are superior to us whites.
And they can jump

Justicebork
16-08-2006, 09:37:25
...magnificent dancers too. Is that racist?

Nills Lagerbaak
16-08-2006, 09:39:40
Originally posted by Funko
In that case, lots of Christians don't want to stop stem cell research, so you are using a sample of a few Christians to make a generalisation about all Christians. Which is bad.


No! I'm not generalisig about anyone. To make it explicit:

"I have a real problem with (the) Christians (that I know) at the moment...." Is not a racist statement.


But given the context I don't think the items in brackets are necessary. Which was why I was saying Kitsuki's original quote is not neccessarily racist per se.

mr_G
16-08-2006, 09:41:30
it's almost time to dooooooo di doooooooo this thread.

Funko
16-08-2006, 09:46:45
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
No! I'm not generalisig about anyone. To make it explicit:

"I have a real problem with (the) Christians (that I know) at the moment...." Is not a racist statement.


But given the context I don't think the items in brackets are necessary. Which was why I was saying Kitsuki's original quote is not neccessarily racist per se.

I think they are necessary, otherwise it implies you mean all Christians.

King_Ghidra
16-08-2006, 09:47:46
Absolutely. Which is precisely why nils has been wrong from the word go.

Drekkus
16-08-2006, 09:55:58
Originally posted by Funko
In that case, lots of Christians don't want to stop stem cell research, so you are using a sample of a few Christians to make a generalisation about all Christians. Which is bad. Exactely. I have a real problem with gays, because they prance around in leather pants groping each other in public.

Intolerance comes from ignorance which leads to fear. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Mmmmmmmmmm.

Kitsuki
16-08-2006, 10:21:42
Funko and KG are wise men. In this topic only.

Drekkus
16-08-2006, 10:24:59
Yeah, it's high time that someone pointed out that annoying spelling by Japher.

Japher
16-08-2006, 13:02:55
should of done it sooner

MoSe
16-08-2006, 13:08:59
sort have

mr_G
16-08-2006, 13:09:58
Originally posted by Kitsuki
Funko and KG are wise men. In this topic only. :eek:

King_Ghidra
16-08-2006, 13:21:11
shocking eh, everyone knows i'm wise in every thread

Mr. Bas
16-08-2006, 13:22:01
Wise, but wrong.

King_Ghidra
16-08-2006, 13:38:14
that's a pretty bad combo

Chris
16-08-2006, 15:10:11
Buch of racists.