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Lancer
11-08-2006, 03:05:42
Seems to me the line of the upward curve of population will soon slam into the downward curve of world resources, if it has not already. It's happening in many places now. We don't see it, or at least few of us do. How do I know this? Because people who have access to internet would spend for food before connectivity. In order to be reading this you have to be in the wealthy minority, the world's upper class, those who are protected from such inconvenience as the day to day, moment to moment hardship of the lack of what we take for granted, the sustinance of being.

In the Philippines I've met many hungry people. Kids in school who haven't eaten. The oceans that have sustained these islands are being stripped of fish. Many are becoming very familiar with want. The Philippines are importing wheat from the US, rice from Thailand...

In the US the harvest is going straight to hell. Temps in the 100s are turning major parts of the breadbasket into desert. The US feeds the world! First, we feed ourselves...so, if we don't have extra, and our population is growing also, who feeds the third world?

Anyway, I know about the Philippines. I've also heard talk of a 'zone of death' off the Oregon Coast where nothing lives perhaps the same thing that caused a majoy fish dieoff up north. That, and a major fish die off in the Philippine islands have got me curious.

Is there any signs that you know of that would relate to a coming global starvation?

Do you think civilization can survive such a terrible thing? Do you see the increase in moslem extremism as a symtom of want for the basics, for hope itself, on the part of populations?

I don't see that there is any answer for these people. The distruction of Israel and hatred for the US are merely assigning blame imo. The people of the world are breeding themselves into this mess and extremest moslem clerics are using their want to foster hatred for political gain. Agree?

Cruddy
11-08-2006, 03:46:51
Population, explosion and global warming combo?

Is it some kind of pizza?

Depends what you mean by civilisation. If you mean riding around in your gas guzzler eating bugers, then no.

If you mean posting gibberish here, then yes.

Greg W
11-08-2006, 04:00:52
Hmm, die-off is spelt two different ways in that post, both of them wrong. :p

As for global starvation, try this link (http://www.foodfirst.org/pubs/backgrdrs/1998/s98v5n3.html).

Justicebork
11-08-2006, 04:27:25
http://www.indra.com/8ball/3.gif

MoSe
11-08-2006, 07:56:20
which Civilization do you refer to?
Civ II is still on my HD, and it will probably survive there forever

Funko
11-08-2006, 08:00:30
Have you got Civ IV MoSe? It's very good

MoSe
11-08-2006, 08:30:33
I haven't updated my home PC since 1998, I don't meet requirements for any new game

I keep playing some old one, some very old one, and some prehistoric.

I'm a surviving fossil!
almost like chagarra!
I couldn't honestly claim I'm civilised tho.

chagarra
11-08-2006, 08:40:13
That's not nice..
Fossils is good..

I'm in the middle of a solo civII at the moment.. It's fun on a uber 486, with dual 17" Viewsonic LCDs

JM^3
11-08-2006, 09:08:33
Originally posted by Funko
Have you got Civ IV MoSe? It's very good

Yes, however, Warlords kicks my ass...

JM

Tizzy
11-08-2006, 09:11:10
I'm doing ok with Warlords at the moment (still on my first real game), although Funko also got his ass kicked.

JM^3
11-08-2006, 09:13:59
I dropped down to Prince, and fight hard and lose.. probably will drop to Regent to win..

JM

Funko
11-08-2006, 09:27:44
Originally posted by Tizzy
I'm doing ok with Warlords at the moment (still on my first real game), although Funko also got his ass kicked.

I was on a higher difficulty level than you though.

Tizzy
11-08-2006, 09:48:41
As it should be, a better player should be on a higher level.

(although I'm not 100% sure I did drop mine down)

(and that wasn't meant as a criticism or anything anyway, I meant to agree with JM that it's harder, I don't know how I'm still doing ok)

Tizzy
11-08-2006, 09:54:45
Maybe I should stop editing that now....

Funko
11-08-2006, 09:55:07
No, it's too late now, I must crush you in hotseat to teach you a lesson!

Tizzy
11-08-2006, 09:56:18
Erm, I'm busy that day

MoSe
11-08-2006, 10:09:30
which day?

Funko
11-08-2006, 10:15:02
I got my arse kicked for several reasons.

My last game on vanilla civ IV was a really easy win so I was overconfident. I totally underestimated the improvements in the AI. Where before you could fortify an archer on a hill and all barbarians would slowly walk into them and commit suicide, they now neatly bypass your fortified units and destroy resources and attack towns. (much as the computer players do).

I also tried to get loads of the new early wonders to see what they were like, and neglected my economy, army and neighbourly relations... got caught up in continuous warring and my land was continuously pillaged.

JM^3
11-08-2006, 10:38:57
I was kicking ass at noble.. there is a big difference between noble and prince.

JM
(I was up to Monarch in vanilla.. of course, I hadn't played in a long time)

Funko
11-08-2006, 10:41:41
I was kicking arse at prince on vanilla, would have moved up to Monarch next game but the expansion came out.

Really, I think I'm too lazy and dislike micromanagement too much to do well above Prince though.

JM^3
11-08-2006, 10:50:23
In Civ3 I managed to push my way up to diety (or demi-deity?).. it wasn't what I enjoyed playing on, but I could (I could occasionally win)

I never beat sid or whatever uber level they added

I beat vanilla Civ 4 Monarch once.. maybe twice

Jon Miller

Funko
11-08-2006, 10:52:57
I never played Civ III because I heard it was pretty shit, even from people who liked SMAC and I'd been disappointed with SMAC...

Tizzy
11-08-2006, 10:54:30
I'm about average on prince in CivIV, win some lose some, mainly cos I'm not very good at going to war. The losses are usually quite close though.
I think I got up to the 2nd hardest (Emperor?) on CivII, can't really remember though and I only played about 2 games of CivIII before I gave up on it.

Tizzy
11-08-2006, 10:56:43
Ah, SMAC. I really liked it, after I got over my initial confusion. I always kicked arse too :)

Funko
11-08-2006, 10:58:29
You, confused? :eek:

Tizzy
11-08-2006, 10:59:28
I know, who'd have thought.

King_Ghidra
11-08-2006, 11:05:00
i loved SMAC, and civ iv has impressed me, but i find all of those games are the kind of thing that hold my absolute attention for an entire weekend, and then don't get played for 6 months, mainly because you need to finish what you start, it's no fun just playing for half an hour at a time like PES or mario kart or something

Funko
11-08-2006, 11:07:43
Very true... although it seems a lot of weekends in our flat have been lost in a Civ IV blur.

MoSe
11-08-2006, 11:14:28
you mean you missed out on the population, on the explosion and on the global warming?

JM^3
11-08-2006, 11:15:21
NERDS

JM

Drekkus
11-08-2006, 11:28:28
:lol:

You tell 'm, Jon!

Funko
11-08-2006, 11:44:33
:lol:

Venom
11-08-2006, 12:34:49
Thank god this lame ass thread got jacked.

King_Ghidra
11-08-2006, 12:45:51
:lol:@JM

MoSe
14-08-2006, 13:01:26
you should tribute the proper appreciation to lameass threads
without a proper lameass background, how would the rest stand out?

MoSe
14-08-2006, 13:05:44
Originally posted by Funko
Have you got Civ IV MoSe? It's very good

I'm awestruck by this admission on the other site:

Q:"how would you say Civ 4 compares against Civ, Civ 2 and Civ 3? or is Civ 4 too different to be comparable?, if yes, for better or worse?"

A by Yin26
I'll take the biggest question, because it's the easiest to answer: Civ 4, I feel, is better than all the other Civs put together.
My one warning, however, is that on the surface it seems like a very simple game that apparently lacks some depth. There's something of an illusion that if you follow the basic recommendations the computer spits at you that you'll pretty much be doing all the right things.
The fact is, be it the cultural/religious games or the race for the best science/production rates, there is a nearly endless treasure trove of balanced nuance to be explored.
hell freezing upside down

Funko
14-08-2006, 13:09:32
Exactly if Yin likes it, you know it's good.

Funko
14-08-2006, 13:09:54
Even more amazing, ICS is dead.

Diss
14-08-2006, 13:22:18
Originally posted by Lancer
Seems to me the line of the upward curve of population will soon slam into the downward curve of world resources, if it has not already. It's happening in many places now. We don't see it, or at least few of us do. How do I know this? Because people who have access to internet would spend for food before connectivity. In order to be reading this you have to be in the wealthy minority, the world's upper class, those who are protected from such inconvenience as the day to day, moment to moment hardship of the lack of what we take for granted, the sustinance of being.

In the Philippines I've met many hungry people. Kids in school who haven't eaten. The oceans that have sustained these islands are being stripped of fish. Many are becoming very familiar with want. The Philippines are importing wheat from the US, rice from Thailand...

In the US the harvest is going straight to hell. Temps in the 100s are turning major parts of the breadbasket into desert. The US feeds the world! First, we feed ourselves...so, if we don't have extra, and our population is growing also, who feeds the third world?

Anyway, I know about the Philippines. I've also heard talk of a 'zone of death' off the Oregon Coast where nothing lives perhaps the same thing that caused a majoy fish dieoff up north. That, and a major fish die off in the Philippine islands have got me curious.

Is there any signs that you know of that would relate to a coming global starvation?

Do you think civilization can survive such a terrible thing? Do you see the increase in moslem extremism as a symtom of want for the basics, for hope itself, on the part of populations?

I don't see that there is any answer for these people. The distruction of Israel and hatred for the US are merely assigning blame imo. The people of the world are breeding themselves into this mess and extremest moslem clerics are using their want to foster hatred for political gain. Agree?

The U.S. (and Canada) have plenty of spare food production capability. I hear they pay farmers not to farm their land.

The real question is when you are coming back to Poly. :)

Lancer
14-08-2006, 20:43:02
I'm having too good a time at MZO not having my threads deleted. It feels like Poly in the early days.

Here's the same thread as this one at MZO. Part of my process of deciding where I want to spend time.

http://forums.mzocentral.net//index.php?showtopic=16808

Drekkus
14-08-2006, 21:10:57
Wow, so many intelligent people there saying so many wise things!!!

Lancer
14-08-2006, 21:17:41
No, it just seems that way because people here are so fucking stupid.

;)

Drekkus
14-08-2006, 21:26:37
Wow, so many avarage people there saying so many avarage things!!!

Lancer
14-08-2006, 21:28:08
:p

Funko
15-08-2006, 08:14:12
This thread is miles better than theirs.

Cruddy
15-08-2006, 08:19:19
This thread at least has a lack of pretentious wankers who think they know the answers.

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 09:05:06
i feel slighted by that comment

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 09:07:13
slightly what?

Lancer
15-08-2006, 09:38:00
The wankers here are not pretentious.

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 10:23:59
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4793455.stm

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 11:14:17
I think the earth will implode because of all the fat people.

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 11:15:14
how would fat people cause an implosion? surely they would explode like mr creosote

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 11:32:27
My grandma used to have those after eight mints, great stuff.

Don't beached whales die of implosion, sort off?

Venom
15-08-2006, 11:39:41
Sometimes they "clean" beached whales off the beach with explosions.

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 11:50:47
Cool! sometimes they explode spontanous because of the gasses inside heating up.

Venom
15-08-2006, 11:54:57
You could probably find a video on youtube of a famous whale explosion where they used too much explosives and chunks smashed cars in a parking lot a half mile away.

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 11:58:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_t44siFyb4

you are right

Venom
15-08-2006, 11:59:49
theexplodingwhale.com ? Sounds awesome.

The Mad Monk
15-08-2006, 12:03:59
Best quote there:

The Dutch are like the Sakkra of earth. They can grow far more population in a small little space than the other races. I've always dreamed of building my James Bond Supervillian hideout in a salt dome.

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 12:08:46
Originally posted by Drekkus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_t44siFyb4

you are right

:lol: that is ridiculous, people from the past are redefining the concept of dumb

mr_G
15-08-2006, 12:11:56
Originally posted by Drekkus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_t44siFyb4

you are right :lol:

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 12:12:48
Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Best quote there: Is that on explodingwhale.com??

King_Ghidra
15-08-2006, 12:39:55
incredible stuff

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3437455.stm

mr_G
15-08-2006, 12:42:35
A dead sperm whale :lol:
Professor Wang Chien-"ping" :lol:
damn this is funny on many many levels

Drekkus
15-08-2006, 12:46:55
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
incredible stuff

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3437455.stm There's avideo of that on you tube as well (not with the actual blowing up).

Resource Consumer
15-08-2006, 12:57:32
Is Poly down?

Funko
15-08-2006, 12:59:33
Originally posted by Drekkus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_t44siFyb4

you are right

:lol:

C.G.B. Spender
15-08-2006, 13:04:41
Brilliant idea!

MoSe
16-08-2006, 07:56:25
Originally posted by Drekkus
I think the earth will implode because of all the fat people.

:(

Drekkus
16-08-2006, 08:17:21
I'm waiting for funko to explain to me that the earth's mass doesn't change, or something.

MoSe
16-08-2006, 08:48:49
Of course if I eat the earth's core, then it would weigh from the outside in instead of keeping all up standing in the center.

And don't ask me why should I eat the earth's core.
Of course the core it's always the best and juiciest part!

Tizzy
16-08-2006, 08:50:00
Might make a tastjie schnack.

mr_G
16-08-2006, 08:53:31
the earth's mass does change, or something



did not edit....nononono

Funko
16-08-2006, 08:56:25
Of course it changes. Idiots.

We're constantly losing gasses from the atmosphere, hard to know how much, and being bombarded by meteorites that can be as much as a billion kilograms a year...

of course these effects are tiny compared to the mass of the earth.

but still it's changing all the time.

Funko
16-08-2006, 08:57:59
Ooooh.. and there are loads of radio active elements that lose mass as they decay.

and we're gaining small amounts of mass from the solar wind...

mr_G
16-08-2006, 09:01:34
:sleep:

MoSe
16-08-2006, 09:02:24
your argument is pear shaped

Drekkus
16-08-2006, 09:59:28
Originally posted by Funko
Ooooh.. and there are loads of radio active elements that lose mass as they decay.

and we're gaining small amounts of mass from the solar wind... So it evens out more or less.

So when people grow fatter, other people have to grow boney. It's natures balance. So if you see another hungry african on tv, all fat people must be ashamed for taking their mass!!!

Venom
16-08-2006, 11:43:08
Where does the mass of radioactive elements go? Besides right to my thighs.

King_Ghidra
16-08-2006, 12:13:04
what a camp comment

Chris
16-08-2006, 12:28:32
Originally posted by Funko
Of course it changes. Idiots.

We're constantly losing gasses from the atmosphere, hard to know how much, and being bombarded by meteorites that can be as much as a billion kilograms a year...

of course these effects are tiny compared to the mass of the earth.

but still it's changing all the time. Geek.

You should be beaten for that.

MoSe
16-08-2006, 12:39:11
and beaten in a way that alters your mass

Drekkus
16-08-2006, 12:39:14
I'm constantly losing gasses as well.

Chris
16-08-2006, 12:42:08
Take some milk of magnesia, it should clear up.

MoSe
16-08-2006, 12:45:33
but as my mother says, it's possible that you input in your body a 100g mass and your body mass suddenly increases by 1,000g as a consequence

Funko
16-08-2006, 12:47:22
aka Getting Pregnant

Drekkus
16-08-2006, 12:53:04
Nice PhD.

Venom
16-08-2006, 12:53:26
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
what a camp comment

Feels like a camp day today, I think.

Funko
16-08-2006, 12:54:45
Originally posted by Drekkus
Nice PhD.

I don't think that was what he meant initially.

MoSe
16-08-2006, 13:04:05
it's amazing then how my mother believes she can become pregnant with 100g chocolate
:lol: