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*End Is Forever*
01-08-2006, 19:31:52
I thought Laz and others might like their twopenneth on these...

1900-2000: Oswald Mosley (1896-1980)
He was elected as an MP for first the Conservatives and then Labour before becoming disillusioned with mainstream politics and founding the British Union of Fascists (BUF) in 1932.

1800-1900: Jack the Ripper
The name given to a serial killer believed to be responsible for the murders of at least four prostitutes in Whitechapel, East London, in the second half of 1888. His identity has never been established.

1700-1800: Prince William Augustus, Duke of Cumberland (1721-65)
A younger son of King George II, he was given the nickname "Butcher" for the merciless manner in which he defeated the Young Pretender, Prince Charles Edward Stuart, at the Battle of Culloden in April 1746 and quelled the Jacobite Rising.

1600-1700: Titus Oates (1649-1705)
In 1678 he made up a story about a Catholic plot to murder King Charles II which led to scores of people being rounded up and several innocent men being executed. He was later convicted of perjury and jailed.

1500-1600: Sir Richard Rich, Lord Rich of Leighs (1496/7-1567)
Throughout his life he shifted his political and religious allegiances to further his career. During Henry VIII's reign he gave evidence against Sir Thomas More and Bishop John Fisher which helped to convict them of treason, for which they were executed.

1400-1500: Thomas Arundel (1353-1414)
Archbishop of Canterbury in 1397 and from 1399 until his death, he persecuted the Lollards, a group calling for reform of the Catholic Church by promoting a lay priesthood and translations of the Bible.

1300-1400: Hugh Despenser (The Younger) (died 1326)
He became one of the richest men in the kingdom by ruthlessly eliminating his enemies and greedily seizing land in South Wales. He was executed as a traitor.

1200-1300: King John (1167-1216)
He captured and apparently murdered his nephew, Arthur of Brittany, who was his rival for the throne after the death of Richard the Lionheart in 1199.

1100-1200: Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury (c.1120-70)
He divided England by quarrelling with King Henry II over the rights of the church. He was assassinated by four knights from Henry's court in Canterbury Cathedral.

1000-1100: Eadric Streona (died 1017)
King Aethelred II's chief counsellor betrayed his country by switching sides when the Danish king Cnut invaded England in 1015.

01-08-2006, 19:48:28
Laz can probably name a few worse britons.

01-08-2006, 19:51:51

01-08-2006, 19:54:09
I can't believe PH didn't make that list!

Lurker the Second
01-08-2006, 20:00:46
"King Cnut", :lol:

01-08-2006, 20:09:10
:lol: king cnut vs. king kong would be a great movie

01-08-2006, 20:17:34
He's lucky they didn't make pornmovies back then.

02-08-2006, 02:37:43
Originally posted by Lurker the Second
"King Cnut", :lol:

He was Danish. It's pronounced "Canute". The guy that tried to order the waves to stop.

What, no Mags Thatcher? Some people have really short memories.

02-08-2006, 05:09:38
Where's Shipman? He's officially this county's worst (ie: best) serial killer!

02-08-2006, 08:14:43
It certainly makes Jack the Ripper's measly 4 murders look pathetic.

02-08-2006, 08:21:11
"1000-1100: Eadric Streona (died 1017)
King Aethelred II's chief counsellor betrayed his country by switching sides when the Danish king Cnut invaded England in 1015."

I don't know the specifics, but it's not that awful... in an age of perpetual treasons and where loyalty was always flimsy (and needed to be constantly bought), picking a new side was just a mark of flexibility... just like switching companies today, really...

02-08-2006, 08:25:25
None of them seem particularly bad compared to Laz's historical filth articles.

Mr. Bas
02-08-2006, 08:39:37
True. They just seem like ordinary power-hungry politicians to me.

02-08-2006, 09:19:09
most of them should belong to the "most despised" list, but certainly not "worst"

Mosley was a fascist, but who did he kill? Your average "good" colony administrator during the Boer war (and the first camps) or during any time of "trouble'" in India probably have a lot more innocent blood on their hands

C.G.B. Spender
02-08-2006, 09:22:02
The 10 worst britons all post here and they're far more than only 10

02-08-2006, 09:31:10
Who was best briton anyways, William of Orange?

02-08-2006, 09:33:00
Originally posted by C.G.B. Spender
The 10 worst britons all post here and they're far more than only 10

they are all RC, so that's only one

02-08-2006, 09:47:30
Originally posted by Drekkus
Who was best briton anyways, William of Orange? George I

02-08-2006, 09:51:31
Originally posted by Drekkus
Who was best briton anyways, William of Orange? king Cnut

02-08-2006, 10:50:48
You fucking cnut!!!

02-08-2006, 10:51:36
It's also a good name for a clothing line.

02-08-2006, 11:05:03

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02-08-2006, 15:27:36
I'm really suprised they couldnt find anyone worse than Thomas becket in the whole of the 12th century. I mean england wasnt exactly known for being particularly stable back then.

If arguing with the king puts you on the list then Thomas more etc should be on it instead of richard rich of rich (great name)

02-08-2006, 15:40:38
Bummer, we're too late:


C.G.B. Spender
02-08-2006, 15:54:11

Lazarus and the Gimp
02-08-2006, 16:17:55
I've started compiling a response, but it's turning into an essay.

Thomas Becket and Eadric Streona are truly bizarre choices.

C.G.B. Spender
02-08-2006, 16:20:07
Eadric Streona is an anagram or Eric Cantona

Scabrous Birdseed
02-08-2006, 16:24:19
Jack the ripper? That's a ridiculous choice in the century of empire.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
02-08-2006, 16:36:30
Perfect choice from an imperialist view.

C.G.B. Spender
02-08-2006, 16:38:58
Good reply, but it needs more R's:
"Perrrfect choice frrrom an imperrrialist view."

Lazarus and the Gimp
02-08-2006, 16:46:12
1900- 2000

Mosley was a nasty fascist, but what actual mayhem did he cause? I'd go for Lord Kitchener, for inventing concentration camps, his "no prisoners" policy in the Boer War, and his incompetence in WW1.

1800- 1900

Jack the Ripper was responsible for the deaths of 4-6 people. Robert Bulwer-Lytton was responsible for the entirely avoidable deaths of millions in India. Add it up.

1700- 1800

I agree on Cumberland. He was vile. I'm surprised they didn't mention he was a serial rapist too.

1600- 1700

Oates was a puppet for more influential bigots, like Lord Shaftesbury. I'd go for Judge Jeffreys, being a West Countryman. His Bloody Assizes saw hundreds hung drawn and quartered on trumped-up evidence, and he was unbelievably corrupt.

1500- 1600

Let's not beat about the bush- why not pick Henry VIII hinself? Or "Bloody Mary"? Both were ultimately responsible for far more widespread religious persecution.

1400- 1500


A tough one to choose from, but I'll go along with Arundel.

1300- 1400

Richard II takes my vote, for his retaliation against Wat Tyler's revolt, and his rampant megalomania.

1200- 1300

OK, I'll go with John. He was horrible.

1100- 1200

Rubbish choice. My joint winners are King Stephen and Queen Matilda, for between them plunging the country into a very nasty civil war just out of collective ambition.

1000- 1100

No contest. William the Conqueror, for being the biggest bastard in this nation's history.

C.G.B. Spender
02-08-2006, 16:47:36
1900- 2000


Lazarus and the Gimp
02-08-2006, 18:52:03
He's probably more British than the Duke of Cumberland was.

02-08-2006, 18:53:03
Originally posted by C.G.B. Spender
1900- 2000

Hitler! Pietler?

Lazarus and the Gimp
02-08-2006, 18:53:17
Shocking omission from my list!

1600- 1700

I've changed my mind. It's got to be Oliver Cromwell.

Lazarus and the Gimp
02-08-2006, 18:56:51
Originally posted by Drekkus
Who was best briton anyways, William of Orange?

David Attenborough. Closely followed by Oliver Postgate.

C.G.B. Spender
02-08-2006, 19:02:03
You like lists like that, don't you?

Lazarus and the Gimp
02-08-2006, 19:07:23
They make me grab at my private parts in excitement.

C.G.B. Spender
02-08-2006, 19:12:46
That's the way it should be!

02-08-2006, 19:21:51
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
They make me grab at my private parts in excitement. As long as you don't grab Vincent's as well its alright.