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Funko
02-06-2006, 15:16:29
I asked this in America but I was probably drunk and can't remember the answer.

Especially trucks and stuff, we almost NEVER have trucks with sticky out noses here, but I didn't see one that didn't have a sticky out nose in the US.

American style truck:

http://www.karljohnsontrucking.com/images/Truck%2027%20Wayne.JPG

British style lorry:

http://www.petersandmay.com/siteimages/large/lorry.jpg


American Train:

http://www.nrhs.com/railfan/2004/bnsf-grain-train-carthage-mo.jpg

British train:

http://www.nestrans.org.uk/Images/Freight-3.jpg

Venom
02-06-2006, 15:36:29
Because they make the trucks look cooler.

Funko
02-06-2006, 15:37:58
Good reason. :beer:

self biased
02-06-2006, 15:39:18
i'm sure it's freudian.

Venom
02-06-2006, 15:39:42
And also make them even more able to smash the shit out of stuff.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
02-06-2006, 15:39:49
Looks better, and maybe just more space for unwieldly trucks, I assume.

I've seen a few noseless trucks in california and nevada, though. Maybe they came from siberia.

Drekkus
02-06-2006, 15:49:37
Originally posted by Funko
[B]
British style lorry:

http://www.petersandmay.com/siteimages/large/lorry.jpg

That's a dutch truck!! :bounce:

*End Is Forever*
02-06-2006, 18:05:57
Your "British train" is actually American made, too... ;)

LoD
02-06-2006, 18:09:37
Why it's obvious - someone's overcompensating ;).

devilmunchkin
02-06-2006, 19:52:11
aerodynamics possibly?

KrazyHorse@home
02-06-2006, 21:49:31
Cooling the engine is also easier when it's not surrounded by the mass of the vehicle.

HelloKitty
02-06-2006, 23:06:42
Plus you showed a picture of an 18 wheeler in the US vs an 8 wheeler for the lorrry.

US trucks also have larger cabs because they doublee as mini-appartments for truckers who need to be away driving for a week at a time.

You don't need room for a bed etc if your country is roughly the size of Oregon.

Greg W
02-06-2006, 23:18:44
British car:

http://www.proccy.com/img/gal/smartcar.jpg

American car:

http://storm.tocmp.com/ford/mustang/19782.jpg

OMG, it's evolved into cars as well!!!1!!1!!one!!!!eleven!!

Darkstar
02-06-2006, 23:32:15
We have lots of cab overs here as well.

Most of the long haul 18 wheelers aren't cab over. With the engine up front, it's easier to get at. Long Hauler can have huge bit of extended cab on them, and it's just mechanically easier to not be cab over then. Short haulers tend to be cab over, because that costs less and they don't have any cabin extensions.

Trains are just basic styling. Lots are flat nosed.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
03-06-2006, 19:37:51
Originally posted by HelloKitty
Plus you showed a picture of an 18 wheeler in the US vs an 8 wheeler for the lorrry.

US trucks also have larger cabs because they doublee as mini-appartments for truckers who need to be away driving for a week at a time.

You don't need room for a bed etc if your country is roughly the size of Oregon.

I have a brilliant idea - what about a truck that goes, say, from Sweden to Italy??!?!!?

LoD
03-06-2006, 20:06:27
Well, nothing, because according to HK, trade in Europe goes only within a respective country.

Not to mention that also according to her, Europe is as sparsely populated as the US, and so doesn't have a higher concentration of venues to stay at.

Scabrous Birdseed
03-06-2006, 20:07:25
Exactly. Plus long-haul trucks here also tend to be "cab-over" as Darkstar describes it. Like this 14-wheeler:

http://www.fagelstaakeri.se/images/foretaget.jpg

Koshko
03-06-2006, 21:09:36
I hate those semis that have more than one trailer connected to it.

Funko
05-06-2006, 08:55:41
Originally posted by HelloKitty
Plus you showed a picture of an 18 wheeler in the US vs an 8 wheeler for the lorrry.

US trucks also have larger cabs because they doublee as mini-appartments for truckers who need to be away driving for a week at a time.

Ours have those too, the bigger lorries are still the same style, as seen above.

Vincent
05-06-2006, 09:05:22
http://www.dyna.co.za/cars/Buick_48_Straight_8_Sedan_Black_ss1.jpg

Vincent
05-06-2006, 09:07:35
http://www.lovewheels.com/makes/bmw/small/isetta.jpg

Colon
05-06-2006, 09:27:56
What about safety regulations?

Vincent
05-06-2006, 09:34:10
Well? You tell us, buddy!

Colon
05-06-2006, 09:38:39
Long noses (supposedly) limit visibility of traffic in front of the truck (in particular traffic of the walking kind), hence compulsory short noses.

Funko
05-06-2006, 09:39:17
Oooh! that's actually a sensible answer. Thanks Colon.

Colon
05-06-2006, 09:41:15
Now I'll be damned.

mr_G
05-06-2006, 10:00:52
long noses means that the nose is long

Vincent
05-06-2006, 10:05:20
What does a short nose mean?

mr_G
05-06-2006, 10:09:06
that the nose is exacltly not that long but short amof.

MoSe
05-06-2006, 10:41:26
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
I have a brilliant idea - what about a truck that goes, say, from Sweden to Italy??!?!!?

what could possibly Scabby have to send me that big that I don't already have???

:confused:

Drekkus
05-06-2006, 10:55:56
PIGS!!! That magically become parmaham.

mr_G
05-06-2006, 11:03:15
nonono drekkusje, those pigs come from holland, just laaik the tea wizz mango from pickwick

Venom
05-06-2006, 12:13:20
Originally posted by Colon
Long noses (supposedly) limit visibility of traffic in front of the truck (in particular traffic of the walking kind), hence compulsory short noses.

Yeah, but they're cooler looing, probably more aerodynamic, and allow for greater smashing of stuff.


Advantage....long nose.

shagnasty
05-06-2006, 14:21:09
Smokey and the Bandit is a kewl film.- FACT!!

Japher
05-06-2006, 14:23:20
http://www.you-are-here.com/transport/freightliner.jpg

Darkstar
05-06-2006, 22:45:10
Originally posted by Venom
Yeah, but they're cooler looing, probably more aerodynamic, and allow for greater smashing of stuff.

Advantage....long nose.

Cooler looking? Check!

More aerodynamic? Humm.. which end faces the earth on a rain drop? The blunt end or the long end? Blunt! Less aerodynamic.

Greater smashing of stuff? Only if it goes faster or has more mass. ;-)

KrazyHorse@home
06-06-2006, 00:32:01
Originally posted by Darkstar
More aerodynamic? Humm.. which end faces the earth on a rain drop? The blunt end or the long end? Blunt! Less aerodynamic.

Nonsensical argument.

Darkstar
06-06-2006, 01:10:05
I decided to shortened my original post before hitting submit, and I just missed the "Less aerodynamic" part due to not caring enough to read what I was about to post to make sure it was exactly what I thought it was. That spoils a lot of the fun of posting at CG, after all.

It was originally:
Less aerodynamic shapes do occasionally appear in raindrops, and the particulars of why can be looked up for those that are curious (which none of us would, of course). The most common shape for a falling rain drop of sufficent mass is the tear drop, because a simple blunt shape on the front of a homogenous mass creates the least resistance versus air. The rear of a rain drop is long/spiked because that shape reduces the trailing aerodynamics (drag). Drag (turbulence) effective tries to hold onto the rain, pulling the water from a sphere (water's preferred shape in micro-gravity), and the trailing shape is the result.

Our Kanadian Kitty can go check out the actual physics.

And now, Mr. G will be happy, because there's one more long post by me. I don't know why, but he seems to like them.

JM^3
06-06-2006, 02:08:34
Originally posted by Venom
Yeah, but they're cooler looing, probably more aerodynamic, and allow for greater smashing of stuff.


Advantage....long nose.

Anyone who played demolition with legos would know this - FACT.

JM
(demolition, the construction of giant vehicles (obeying certain rules) which were then smashed together, the winner being the suvivor (the one that didn't break appart))

Colon
06-06-2006, 03:02:36
I wasn't having the impression those long noses were particularly aerodynamic in the first place. Face it, they're not exactly the Shinkansen, are they?

Diss
06-06-2006, 08:38:03
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
Looks better, and maybe just more space for unwieldly trucks, I assume.

I've seen a few noseless trucks in california and nevada, though. Maybe they came from siberia.

I see them (I live in Nevada), they are that way only because they are made by asian (japanese I think) manufacturers.

mr_G
06-06-2006, 11:46:09
Originally posted by Darkstar
I decided to shortened my original post before hitting submit, and I just missed the "Less aerodynamic" part due to not caring enough to read what I was about to post to make sure it was exactly what I thought it was. That spoils a lot of the fun of posting at CG, after all.

It was originally:


Our Kanadian Kitty can go check out the actual physics.

And now, Mr. G will be happy, because there's one more long post by me. I don't know why, but he seems to like them. :bounce:

Darkstar
06-06-2006, 20:08:56
Mr. G, what do you do? Save off each of my long post, and then use it as a seed feed into a your cryptograms to your organized mob buddies?

Scabrous Birdseed
06-06-2006, 20:11:21
As opposed to the disorganised mob?

Darkstar
06-06-2006, 21:00:35
Yeah, the disorganized mobs don't pay squat for new cryptos. ;)

Funko
07-06-2006, 08:47:23
I can't believe this thread got so many replies.

King_Ghidra
07-06-2006, 08:52:11
The question had just the right balance of pointless trivia and national pride issues

Funko
07-06-2006, 08:53:37
:lol:

Brilliantly judged then.

Drekkus
07-06-2006, 11:02:38
Every US-EU cultural difference thread does well, I think.

Venom
07-06-2006, 12:07:36
As we all know. Size matters. So the longer trucks are better.

Drekkus
07-06-2006, 12:57:20
[insert fat americans joke here]

Japher
07-06-2006, 13:30:57
[insert picture of fat american eating a burger with a mutley helmet on here]

shagnasty
07-06-2006, 13:42:58
What about a fat english bloke not eating but still wearing a mutley hat?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
07-06-2006, 15:49:31
most excellent! :gasmaske: