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Lazarus and the Gimp
31-05-2006, 21:39:20
It's a semi-democracy at most. The will of the population is thwarted in obvious ways, like having an effectively two party state. People complain about one party states when two party states are not much better. A two party state just means that it is impossible for new parties to compete. Prospective leaders must advance through the party organizations which have been thoroughly co-opted by society's elites.

New Zealand was as bad before PR.

You cannot have an effective democracy without informed consent. People have to know what they are voting for in order for their votes to be effective. British people are some of the most ignorant on the planet, rivalling the Americans in the dumb Olympics. You only need look at the atmosphere of the average English person's newspaper to get an idea of what the level of political knowledge is like.

Note that New Zealand has not had a proper tabloid newspaper for many years now.




It's an Agathon post. Sorry.

DaShi
01-06-2006, 00:31:03
Yes, but not for the reasons above. :)

notyoueither
01-06-2006, 06:36:47
I thought that would start a fight. I didn't think it would start a new thread.

Asher
01-06-2006, 06:56:29
Brits are surprisingly small were it counts.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
01-06-2006, 08:17:28
Bloody party oligarchy.

Funko
01-06-2006, 08:21:07
He should meet the kiwis that they export here.

Gary
01-06-2006, 08:34:31
Well the first paragraph I agree with entirely. I think the penultimate one is just a rant about certain 'newspapers' though. It's not worth it: if you don't like a sheet, don't buy/read it.

Roll on the time when technology allows the citizenry to vote on issues, not someone who has their own agenda.

Funko
01-06-2006, 08:42:04
He doesn't say that Brits are thick, just ill informed and living in a 2 party state. What's new?

As a Lib Dem voter I obviously don't agree with the 2 party thing, but I do think we should have PR. ;)

And he's right that our tabloids are absolutely shocking.

Nills Lagerbaak
01-06-2006, 09:04:16
British people in general have a distinct lack of political interest. Ask any German.

MoSe
01-06-2006, 09:15:26
hhhmmmm....

thick as a brick...
tit as a brit...

:hmm:

Lazarus and the Gimp
01-06-2006, 18:01:15
Originally posted by Gary
Well the first paragraph I agree with entirely.


Even the part about a two-party state being little better than a one party state? Personally speaking, I think that's an extraordinarily daft comment.

Sure we'd like to have a million parties to cater to our every passing whim, but a two party state does introduce a real measure of democratic accountability that you won't see in a totalitarian state.

Gary
01-06-2006, 18:40:49
There has to be a significant difference between the 2 parties for it to be any real improvement. But as you'll be aware, I don't like political parties anyway. Should be banned, or at least the whips should.

I'm unsure I see any accountablilty. OK your party don't get in maybe, but there again it's the turn of your mates across the floor. You await your turn next time.

Lazarus and the Gimp
02-06-2006, 07:20:05
Parties aren't personalities. Not getting in probably means a career failure for the politicians involved, which is where the accoutability arises. That's why there's been such a massive shift in the British political spectrum over the past 25 years.

Gary
02-06-2006, 07:30:35
Certainly that would have an effect on the individual candidate, but much less so on the party. The opposition still have jobs.

An issue I have with the existing system is that the individual candidate is constrained by what their party wants, not by what the constituency wants. So personal incentive counts for less than desired.

Drekkus
02-06-2006, 12:01:16
How come people are fat, and not thick, when they're overweight?

Funko
02-06-2006, 12:12:27
O.E. fætt, originally a contracted pp. of fættian "to cram, stuff," from P.Gmc. *faitaz "fat" (cf. O.N. feitr, Du. vet, Ger. feist),

Doesn't help!

Drekkus
02-06-2006, 12:29:39
In dutch it's: dik, but vet is worse.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
02-06-2006, 15:43:37
echt fett

Ellipsis
02-06-2006, 16:28:19
tjukk or feit

Feit is worse, I suppose, but you could only be tjukk in the head.

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