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Greg W
24-05-2006, 12:14:43
I mean, after all, they pretty much rolled over in WW2 when Germany turned up on their doorstep. And their football team ain't shown much. :hmm:

maroule
24-05-2006, 12:25:50
After all, australians were rolled over by the japs in WW2 and even the turks in WW1, and their football is even less to look at... :hmm:

Greg W
24-05-2006, 12:28:41
Originally posted by maroule
Australians were rolled over by the japs in WW2 and even the turks in WW1:hmm:

Methinks you need a bit more reading up on our war history.

The football team, well... They're courageous, just lacking in skill.

Japher
24-05-2006, 12:29:29
USA! USA! USA!

We're Kicking Ass and Taking Names!

('cept for Vietnam, that never happened)

Greg W
24-05-2006, 12:35:59
Originally posted by maroule
After all, australians were rolled over by the japs in WW2Hang on, I just realised - the French having a go at anybody in relation to WWII? What was it, 19 days you guys lasted? :hmm:

maroule
24-05-2006, 12:43:14
you need to point me to the book that shows Australia single handedly defeating japan (and not mentionning the Singapore fiasco, but admittedly you weren't alone), or even resisting to an invasion without US help

of course that would have been illusory and unfair to think australia could resist alone against Japan, because of the disparity of ressources but no more than Holland resisting alone against Germany... don't dish out comments you can't take...

Funko
24-05-2006, 12:44:41
Greg seems to have missed the point that Dutch Courage means needing to drink to feel brave, so is therefore derogatory not praising the mighty brave Dutch.

:rolleyes:

maroule
24-05-2006, 12:47:36
the brits always have a go agaisnt supposedly 'cowardly' dutch, probably goes back to their great trade&maritime rivalry

it's also the wrong angle, the only decent reproach to do is how, despite the sex and drugs, mindbuggingly boring they are

Funko
24-05-2006, 12:49:06
jesjes boring and really tall. Like MrG...

:nervous:

maroule
24-05-2006, 12:59:59
oh, and stingy too

Greg W
24-05-2006, 13:12:38
Well, it was a copycat thread and thus I was deliberately ignoring the real meaning to Dutch Courage. :rolleyes:

As to us v the Japs...

Read up about our efforts in New Guinea (esp Kokoda, Buna, Port Moresby - we put the Yanks to shame) and thereafter in the war. Singapore was basically the Brits.

Read up about the Rats of Tobruk and the rest of the Australians in Nth Africa. Read the facts about Gallipoli and the Turks, and then judge how badly we did.

Asutralians? Lacking in courage or skill? :lol: That's like saying the French resistance lacked courage.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-05-2006, 13:13:35
Originally posted by Greg W
I mean, after all, they pretty much rolled over in WW2 when Germany turned up on their doorstep. And their football team ain't shown much. :hmm:

They smoked the spanish in the 80 year war, though....

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-05-2006, 13:14:23
Originally posted by Japher
USA! USA! USA!

We're Kicking Ass and Taking Names!

('cept for Vietnam, that never happened)

"Alesia? What or who is Alesia?"

mr_G
24-05-2006, 13:14:53
Originally posted by Japher
USA! USA! USA!

We're Kicking Ass and Taking Names!

('cept for Vietnam, that never happened) :lol:
what about John Rambo?

mr_G
24-05-2006, 13:16:33
Originally posted by Funko
jesjes boring and really tall. Like MrG...
- FACT!!!

Funko
24-05-2006, 13:16:51
Originally posted by Greg W
Asutralians? Lacking in courage or skill? :lol: That's like saying the French resistance lacked courage.

People call the French cowardly all the time with no justification, I don't see you defending them so vehemently. :cute:

mr_G
24-05-2006, 13:18:55
and eh Greg!!!!
go fok a skippy will you

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-05-2006, 13:21:03
you mean "dingo-fucking surrender cangaroos"?

King_Ghidra
24-05-2006, 13:31:26
:lol:

Nills Lagerbaak
24-05-2006, 13:49:37
Why doesn't everyone shut up with their "my country is better than yours" shit. It makes normal people into wankers.

Especially when it's about something that happened 2 generations ago!

Funko
24-05-2006, 13:50:45
Countrys suck.

mr_G
24-05-2006, 14:23:11
but country is kewl!!!

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-05-2006, 14:25:47
jesjes

like the austrian saying: "Der Mensch ist gut, aber die Leute sind schlecht"

Funko
24-05-2006, 14:27:15
:D

For non German speakers that says:

The people are good, but the people are bad.

maroule
24-05-2006, 14:28:45
for the record, I didn't say australians lacked in anything, and I don't defend France

besides, don't go tobrouk macho on me, you certainly didn't do anything to deserve the victoria cross

Funko
24-05-2006, 14:34:25
You defended the Dutch though. :beer:

Wilhelmus van Nassauwe
ben ik, van Duitsen bloed,
den vaderland getrouwe
blijf ik tot in den dood.
Een Prinse van Oranje
ben ik, vrij, onverveerd,
den Koning van Hispanje
heb ik altijd geŽerd.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-05-2006, 14:47:58
Originally posted by Funko
:D

For non German speakers that says:

The people are good, but the people are bad.

not quite :D

Funko
24-05-2006, 14:50:24
I know but it's funnier to mislead them. What about:

The person is good, the people are bad. :cute:

mr_G
24-05-2006, 15:09:50
OMG Dyl, got your hunor filter turned on did you?

MDA
24-05-2006, 15:11:58
Originally posted by maroule
oh, and stingy too

you forgot rude and unwelcoming to tourists! :D

mr_G
24-05-2006, 15:13:03
Originally posted by Funko
You defended the Dutch though. :beer:

Wilhelmus van Nassauwe
ben ik, van Duitsen bloed,
den vaderland getrouwe
blijf ik tot in den dood.
Een Prinse van Oranje
ben ik, vrij, onverveerd,
den Koning van Hispanje
heb ik altijd geŽerd.
:eek: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: you are one hell of a googler

MDA
24-05-2006, 15:13:11
did this thread become serious after I stopped reading and posted a smart-assed comment?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-05-2006, 15:18:54
Originally posted by mr_G
OMG Dyl, got your hunor filter turned on did you?

Hun or what?

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:20:19
Originally posted by MDA
did this thread become serious

I don't think so.

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:21:44
In Godes vrees te leven
heb ik altijd betracht,
daarom ben ik verdreven,
om land, om luid gebracht.
Maar God zal mij regeren
als een goed instrument,
dat ik zal wederkeren
in mijnen regiment.

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:22:41
Lijdt u, mijn onderzaten
die oprecht zijt van aard,
God zal u niet verlaten,
al zijt gij nu bezwaard.
Die vroom begeert te leven,
bidt God nacht ende dag,
dat Hij mij kracht zal geven,
dat ik u helpen mag.

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:23:04
Lijf en goed al te samen
heb ik u niet verschoond,
mijn broeders hoog van namen
hebben 't u ook vertoond:
Graaf Adolf is gebleven
in Friesland in den slag,
zijn ziel in 't eeuwig leven
verwacht den jongsten dag.

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:23:25
Edel en hooggeboren,
van keizerlijken stam,
een vorst des rijks verkoren,
als een vroom christenman,
voor Godes woord geprezen,
heb ik, vrij onversaagd,
als een held zonder vreden
mijn edel bloed gewaagd.

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:23:47
Mijn schild ende betrouwen
zijt Gij, o God mijn Heer,
op U zo wil ik bouwen,
Verlaat mij nimmermeer.
Dat ik doch vroom mag blijven,
uw dienaar t'aller stond,
de tirannie verdrijven
die mij mijn hart doorwondt.

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:24:19
Van al die mij bezwaren
en mijn vervolgers zijn,
mijn God, wil doch bewaren
den trouwen dienaar dijn,
dat zij mij niet verassen
in hunnen bozen moed,
hun handen niet en wassen
in mijn onschuldig bloed.


Als David moeste vluchten
voor Sauel den tiran,
zo heb ik moeten zuchten
als menig edelman.
Maar God heeft hem verheven,
verlost uit alder nood,
een koninkrijk gegeven
in IsraŽl zeer groot.


Na 't zuur zal ik ontvangen
van God mijn Heer dat zoet,
daarnaar zo doet verlangen
mijn vorstelijk gemoed:
dat is, dat ik mag sterven
met eren in dat veld,
een eeuwig rijk verwerven
als een getrouwen held.


Niet doet mij meer erbarmen
in mijnen wederspoed
dan dat men ziet verarmen
des Konings landen goed.
Dat u de Spanjaards krenken,
o edel Neerland zoet,
als ik daaraan gedenke,
mijn edel hart dat bloedt.


Als een prins opgezeten
met mijner heireskracht,
van den tiran vermeten
heb ik den slag verwacht,
die, bij Maastricht begraven,
bevreesde mijn geweld;
mijn ruiters zag men draven
zeer moedig door dat veld.


Zo het den wil des Heren
op dien tijd had geweest,
had ik geern willen keren
van u dit zwaar tempeest.
Maar de Heer van hierboven,
die alle ding regeert,
die men altijd moet loven,
en heeft het niet begeerd.


Zeer christlijk was gedreven
mijn prinselijk gemoed,
standvastig is gebleven
mijn hart in tegenspoed.
Den Heer heb ik gebeden
uit mijnes harten grond,
dat Hij mijn zaak wil redden,
mijn onschuld maken kond.

Oorlof, mijn arme schapen
die zijt in groten nood,
uw herder zal niet slapen,
al zijt gij nu verstrooid.
Tot God wilt u begeven,
zijn heilzaam woord neemt aan,
als vrome christen leven,-
't zal hier haast zijn gedaan.


Voor God wil ik belijden
en zijner groten macht,
dat ik tot genen tijden
den Koning heb veracht,
dan dat ik God den Heere,
der hoogsten Majesteit,
heb moeten obediŽren
in der gerechtigheid.

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:26:34
:cry:

http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~javhar/images/oranje1.jpg

http://www.hdg.de/eurovisionen/images/ausdehnung/NL_Nationalelf.jpg

mr_G
24-05-2006, 15:27:17
:cry:

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:27:36
http://www.planetfieldhockey.com/dbimage/I3a2464b768fdb.JPG http://www.childrenuk.co.uk/chaug/graphics/dutch-flag.jpg

http://www.gono.com/beermagazineads/heineken/h15.jpg

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:29:32
http://www.cloggieshop.com/images/yellow-wooden-shoes-holland.jpg

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:30:06
http://www.umich.edu/~limfef/graphics/dutch%20windmill.jpg

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:31:24
http://www.atlasgeo.net/fotw/images/n/nl%5erarmy.gif

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:31:50
http://www.happybeagle.com/images/europe/netherlands/hague-peace-palace.jpg

mr_G
24-05-2006, 15:32:04
Fatima Moreiro de Melo

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-05-2006, 15:32:19
http://www.duitslandweb.nl/binaries/Informatie/nl-de_betrekkingen/nederlandbeeld/antje.gif

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:32:34
http://spy74.blog.excite.it/img/ams01.jpg

mr_G
24-05-2006, 15:33:18
the one whore in amsterdam

woooohoooooooooooo

mr_G
24-05-2006, 15:34:38
http://www.gpntrading.nl/img/002.jpg

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:39:25
http://www.blacktable.com/images/0501pics/darts/barney.jpg

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:39:56
http://beheer.almererulez.nl/images/u/Dennis%20Bergkamp.JPG

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:40:22
http://www.4thegame.com/media/00/02/94/holland_matt_cafc_profile_2005.jpg

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:41:16
http://aes.iupui.edu/rwise/banknotes/netherlands/NetherlandsFantasy-2000Gulden-1956-donatedfvt_b.jpg

mr_G
24-05-2006, 15:41:17
:lol: you made me google for the last one

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:41:50
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/heirloom_series/volume7/countries/pics/netherlands-p204a.jpg

mr_G
24-05-2006, 15:43:28
http://ibewlocal164.com/images/hollandtunnel.jpg

Funko
24-05-2006, 15:45:28
http://www.patentex.com/about_contraception/images/diaphragm.jpg

Scabrous Birdseed
24-05-2006, 16:04:16
http://www.cruisingholidays.co.uk/river/rhine/images/tulips.jpg

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
24-05-2006, 16:06:37
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Why doesn't everyone shut up with their "my country is better than yours" shit. It makes normal people into wankers.

No chance of that here, we have no normal people.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-05-2006, 16:13:25
They're all dutch?

MoSe
24-05-2006, 16:22:15
no, I'm portugoose

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-05-2006, 16:24:42
I thought you were it, the alien.

Cruddy
24-05-2006, 17:35:39
Originally posted by Greg W
I mean, after all, they pretty much rolled over in WW2 when Germany turned up on their doorstep. And their football team ain't shown much. :hmm:

Blame Winckelman the wanker.

One Dutch border pillbox held out for 6 days - it was only when a Dutch officer walked in and ordered them to surrender that they realised everybody had stopped fighting 4 days before.

Maybe that is the secret... just don't tell your army you are losing and all will be well.

Sounds like current Iraq strategy doesn't it?

Greg W
25-05-2006, 12:02:58
Originally posted by maroule
you need to point me to the book that shows Australia single handedly defeating japan, or even resisting to an invasion without US help...

for the record, I didn't say australians lacked in anythingI was just responding to the first comment.

Anyway, the whole thread was supposed to be a lame copycat, not a (real) attack on the dutch. Oh well, the best of intentions...

Kind of. :D

The Dutch Pillboxes worked as well as the Manginot(?) line. It's just that neither the French nor the Dutch expected the Germans to completely bypass them.

Funko
25-05-2006, 12:04:31
I made this thread great and you fuckers have ruined it again.

Chairman Yang
25-05-2006, 13:56:44
http://www.epier.com/store/outpostflags/ItemImages/Poster_22thumb.jpg
http://www.epier.com/store/outpostflags/ItemImages/SSposter_10thumb.jpg
http://www.epier.com/store/outpostflags/ItemImages/Poster_25thumb.jpg

Drekkus
25-05-2006, 19:50:48
:lol: I read a book on the dutch SS. Can't say they weren't courageous, greg. :D

Venom
25-05-2006, 20:10:06
What do those posters say?

jsorense
25-05-2006, 20:46:14
War is hell. There are facists everywhere.
http://axis101.bizland.com/Nordland1.htm

Scabrous Birdseed
25-05-2006, 20:52:23
Heyy, jsorense is quoting the opening song of one of my favourite albums in his new sig.

jsorense
25-05-2006, 21:41:17
:confused: New sig?:rolleyes:

Greg W
26-05-2006, 00:28:26
Originally posted by Funko
I made this thread great and you fuckers have ruined it again. :beer:

Drekkus
26-05-2006, 10:50:41
Originally posted by Venom
What do those posters say? They're Dutch WWII recruitment posters to join the Waffen SS. Do you want an exact translation? Little known fact is that there were far more dutch men fighting on the eastern front with the germans against the russians as there were in the dutch resistance.

Mr. Bas
26-05-2006, 10:57:10
Not surprising really, we also managed to deport relatively more jews than in Germany.

Funko
26-05-2006, 11:01:07
And they say the Germans are the efficient ones!

MoSe
26-05-2006, 11:10:33
SS-troop-Waffen!

Drekkus
26-05-2006, 11:40:49
The Waffeln SS were courageous by sugar overdose.

Venom
26-05-2006, 12:16:08
So the Dutch were the secret Nazis. And yes. I want direct translations.

Drekkus
26-05-2006, 13:05:01
You can't handle direct translations

MoSe
26-05-2006, 13:05:15
I say roept U and toont U!

Mr. Bas
26-05-2006, 14:10:54
Direct translations:

Dutchmen!
For your honour and conscience,
against communism!
The Waffen-SS calls upon you!

Show yourself as a true Dutchman
Against communism!
Enroll in the Waffen-SS

Join the Dutch legion of volunteers


Nothing spectacular, just your ordinary war rhetoric as nowadays used by Bush et al.

Venom
26-05-2006, 14:35:30
Hmmm, I totally can't handle those translations.

King_Ghidra
26-05-2006, 14:46:06
you'd best join the ss then

Venom
26-05-2006, 14:54:45
consider it done.

King_Ghidra
26-05-2006, 14:57:59
nice uniform

Venom
26-05-2006, 14:58:48
We do have a certain eye for style. And intimidation killing.

jsorense
26-05-2006, 19:54:52
:mad: Nazis are not funny. The Waffen-SS particularly so.:shoot:

Venom
26-05-2006, 20:24:27
It's chic to compare everything to the Nazis. So they must be funny.

Greg W
28-05-2006, 05:19:41
Nazis are a gas.

MoSe
29-05-2006, 07:19:51
Originally posted by jsorense
Nazis are not funny (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0395251/)

Chairman Yang
30-05-2006, 00:44:35
Originally posted by Mr. Bas
Nothing spectacular, just your ordinary war rhetoric as nowadays used by Bush et al.

Except they take it a step further. I saw the recruiting spot for the marines where the guy climbs a volcano or something and fights a friggin fire golem. :lol:

maroule
30-05-2006, 07:25:38
well, that's more appealling than being randomly killed by a hand made road bomb planted by a bearded fanatic dressed in dirty bed sheets

MDA
30-05-2006, 12:59:43
that ad probably predates Bush, I like it, it has all of the glory and none of the long boring nights on guard duty in subzero temperatures with no smokes

Greg W
31-05-2006, 02:34:31
Fights a Fire Golem, huh? Damn those American marines lead a fun life. :(

Drekkus
31-05-2006, 09:59:25
Originally posted by Chairman Yang
Except they take it a step further. I saw the recruiting spot for the marines where the guy climbs a volcano or something and fights a friggin fire golem. :lol: You're thinking about joining the army? You seem to have an interest in recruitment propaganda. :p
How the hell did you find those dutch SS posters anyway??

MDA
31-05-2006, 11:25:10
They were taped to the side of a bridge.

MoSe
31-05-2006, 11:27:23
that would be a nice thing to do with CG posters too

Greg W
31-05-2006, 11:50:36
You can tape me to this Bridge if you want:

http://i.cnn.net/si/pr/subs/swimsuit/images/05_bodypainting_01.jpg

maroule
31-05-2006, 12:40:52
bof, pretty average

MDA
31-05-2006, 15:41:52
hey, who photoshopped her clothes back on?

maroule
31-05-2006, 15:52:55
they're really skin tight

Greg W
01-06-2006, 00:50:47
Originally posted by MDA
hey, who photoshopped her clothes back on? Own Goal!

It's body paint.

Average? Eh, she'll do me. Or at least, I wish she'd do me. Mind oyu, main reason I chose her was she was about the best looking "Bridget" that I could easily find in Google.

MoSe
01-06-2006, 07:34:43
remember, you'll have to be taped to her SIDE, as previously posted :p

Greg W
01-06-2006, 11:09:07
That's a darn site closer than I am likely to get, so I'll settle for that. Especially if that's all she's wearing. :D

Darkstar
01-06-2006, 20:34:05
Which side? Her front-side or her back-side?