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HelloKitty
11-05-2006, 03:29:14
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2174046,00.html

Just like home, except with brown people!

Dyl Ulenspiegel
11-05-2006, 08:29:59
You have mobile phones?

HelloKitty
11-05-2006, 09:19:00
Well duh. We do have 10% of the worlds brain tumors for a reason!

Dyl Ulenspiegel
11-05-2006, 09:27:43
Wow, that's a lot for 1 % of the world's brain mass.

HelloKitty
11-05-2006, 10:15:17
I owuyld correct your math, but thinking about it, you are probably right.

MDA
11-05-2006, 11:50:43
I didn't even think about it, my CPU is at 100% usage already.

Funko
11-05-2006, 12:01:05
Originally posted by HelloKitty
Well duh. We do have 10% of the worlds brain tumors for a reason!

http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/Cancer/mobmagca.html

maroule
11-05-2006, 12:18:09
HK said there "was a reason for the tumour", but did NOT link it specifically/demonstrably with the use of mobile phones. He can't be accused for spinning that...


That's called a "Bush and the AQ-Iraq link" innuendo by the way

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 12:44:16
Cancer or no cancer, repeatedly heating and coolingyour brain can not be a good thing.

Microwaves are designed for cooking food. For cooking FOOD!

Funko
11-05-2006, 12:45:41
Microwaves is the name given to certain wavelengths of the electromagentic spectrum. They aren't designed for cooking food. - FACT!

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 12:46:55
Domestic microwaves are set to the resonant frequency of water. Specifically to cook food - FACT

Funko
11-05-2006, 12:47:35
I don't phone people with my domestic microwave - FACT!

Funko
11-05-2006, 12:49:46
A 'domestic' microwave is, is actually called a microwave oven. Calling it a microwave is well understood shorthand but it's not strictly accurate.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 12:52:45
Well as you said microwaves are mearly a group of electomagnetic waves within a certain band of frequencies, so your phone will still cook you brain - FACT!

Funko
11-05-2006, 13:04:56
Let's do some science. :D

Mobile phone typical wattage: 0.25 watts

"The mass of an adult human brain is about 1300 to 1400 g."

Let's assume it's a kilogram of water (to make it easy)

1 cal = 4.184 J

So to raise the mass of our brain by a degree we need 4184 joules.

Our mobile phone is 0.25 watts, let's assume that in the worst case scenario a full 50% of the energy goes into your brain, and it's 100 % efficient at heating

That means we get = 1 joule every 8 seconds into the brain

Number of seconds to 'cook' brain by 1 degree = 33472 seconds
= 9.29 hours. This is ignoring the body's own internal cooling mechanisms of course.

Funko
11-05-2006, 13:08:38
Comparison:

"The image on the right shows the average solar power available on the surface in W/mē after absorption in the atmosphere and reflection by clouds, calculated from satellite cloud data averaged over three years from 1991 to 1993 (24 hours a day). For example, in North America the average power of the solar radiation lies somewhere between 125 and 375 W/mē, between 3 and 9 kWh/mē/day. [3]"

So, let's assume that the solar energy per square meter at the surface is 250W/mē. And that the human head is 10*15 cm

I reckon that means you get 3.75 watts of sunlight warming up your head, so standing in the sun cooks your brain 15 times faster than the mobile phone.

Colon
11-05-2006, 13:10:47
I'm going to report this to the administration.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 13:10:59
Hmm, your science is overly simplistic. The brain insulates itself pretty well. You really must only consider the (say) 100g near your right ear, obvisouly even taking conduction into account you will end up with localised heating of perhaps 1degree over say over a half hour conversation.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 13:14:36
Originally posted by Funko
Comparison:

"The image on the right shows the average solar power available on the surface in W/mē after absorption in the atmosphere and reflection by clouds, calculated from satellite cloud data averaged over three years from 1991 to 1993 (24 hours a day). For example, in North America the average power of the solar radiation lies somewhere between 125 and 375 W/mē, between 3 and 9 kWh/mē/day. [3]"

So, let's assume that the solar energy per square meter at the surface is 250W/mē. And that the human head is 10*15 cm

I reckon that means you get 3.75 watts of sunlight warming up your head, so standing in the sun cooks your brain 15 times faster than the mobile phone.

Another terrible over simplification. The human head is round not flat, the irradiance is inversly proportional to angle from the sun. I'd be surprised if 1/20th of the suns irradiance makes it into your head.

King_Ghidra
11-05-2006, 13:16:50
set geeks to stun

Funko
11-05-2006, 13:17:00
Of course it's simplistic.

Even if you only look at 100g it's 55 minutes for a 1 degree rise (assuming absolutely no cooling from the body's excellent temperature management system).

And if the skull provides some insulation from solar radiation won't it provides some insulation from microwaves?


Right, what we need is a sunny day, a goat skull, a bowl of water, a microwave, a good timer and a thermometer.

Funko
11-05-2006, 13:17:31
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Another terrible over simplification. The human head is round not flat, the irradiance is inversly proportional to angle from the sun. I'd be surprised if 1/20th of the suns irradiance makes it into your head.

So about the same as the mobile phone then.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 13:22:10
Well, some people can't stay in the bright sun (without hair) for more that 1/2 hour without getting headaches/ sunstroke, so I reckon they wouldn;t be much more tolerant to Mobiles.
But yes, we need a goat skull, electromagnetic wave generator, thermometer etc. etc.

And it looks pretty sunny outside to me. Fuck work, let's get this experiment under way!

Colon
11-05-2006, 13:22:47
This is why politics threads don't work here: they degenerate into vile debauchery like this.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 13:24:41
"...they evolve into beautiful sophistication like this" I think is the phrase you are looking for.

mr_G
11-05-2006, 13:26:07
always wear your tinfoil hat always!!
or the cap for losers

http://www.raptureready.com/photo/tulsa2/z56.jpg

Funko
11-05-2006, 13:26:13
Exactly! We've devised a brilliant experiment that we can perform with ordinary household utensils (and a goat skull).

Colon
11-05-2006, 13:26:21
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
"...they evolve into beautiful sophistication like this" I think is the phrase you are looking for.

Stay away from me, child of satan!

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 13:30:41
Originally posted by Funko
Exactly! We've devised a brilliant experiment that we can perform with ordinary household utensils (and a goat skull).


Why did you additinally specify the goat skull?

Funko
11-05-2006, 13:31:51
After I posted it I saw your insulation reply. We need a skull to test insulation and what better one to use?

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 13:35:27
But you said it like it would be odd to have a Goat Skull in my kitchen cupboard.

Immortal Wombat
11-05-2006, 13:35:38
Well a human one would give more accurate results...

Colon
11-05-2006, 13:36:23
A goat-skull is the typically satanist thing to use.

Funko
11-05-2006, 13:41:26
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
But you said it like it would be odd to have a Goat Skull in my kitchen cupboard.

Not odd in your kitchen cupboard, just odd in a normal kitchen cupboard.

MOBIUS
11-05-2006, 13:47:29
Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Well a human one would give more accurate results...

Any volunteers?:)

Tizzy
11-05-2006, 13:50:49
I'll get some data on the staying in the sun part.

Of course I may need some nice cold cider to help things along.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 13:52:02
I have some excellent Sheppy's Honey cider. Most devine on a nice summer's day.

Tizzy
11-05-2006, 13:54:41
Excellent. Send it over and I'll start the difficult process of experimentation.

Funko
11-05-2006, 13:56:07
did you say fermentation?

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 14:07:38
Ytou won't want to ferment this bad boy anymore, it weighs in at a hefy 8.5%

Tizzy
11-05-2006, 14:10:58
Just experimentation then

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 14:25:52
Hmm, I wouldn't wish on someone, any experiment that I haven't myself undertaken.

King_Ghidra
11-05-2006, 14:28:35
and i'm sure i speak for everyone when i say how impressed we all were with your experiments into the effects of hard anal pounding

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 14:30:03
My body is nout but a vessel for science.

Darkstar
11-05-2006, 16:06:50
Originally posted by Funko
Right, what we need is a sunny day, a goat skull, a bowl of water, a microwave, a good timer and a thermometer.

You forgot the beer, tequila, and Jack Daniels whiskey. How else could it be a party? Oh, and find some twat to bring a guitar and his amp, it will attract more girls if we have cheesy ballads being played at the party. Maybe JM3 will finally get up the nerve to talk to a gal and stop moping about.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 16:09:15
Fuck that sounds like an awesome idea. I have a mental image of this bash - and it is good. Especially Jon Myllex getting wrecked and downing tequila slammers from the Goat's eye socket.

Funko
11-05-2006, 16:13:45
If you aren't prepared to drink tequila from the skull, you aren't welcome frankly.

Funko
11-05-2006, 16:15:45
We'll need mead too, even though it's horrible. And scrumpy.

HEY!!! I just realised, you can buy an whole goat from the Halal butchers down smelly alley. I bet they have some goat skulls, if not we'll buy a whole one.

We can cut it's head off, boil it to remove the meat and leave the skull and spitroast the rest over a charcoal pit to eat once we're finished.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 16:20:44
Originally posted by Funko
If you aren't prepared to drink tequila from the skull, you aren't welcome frankly.

It should be a pre-requisite to entry.

If we're drinking scrumpy I don't think it matters it there's still a little cerebral matter left in the skull.

Funko
11-05-2006, 16:25:43
Thinking about it, for a realistic test, we should leave the skin on the head.

shagnasty
11-05-2006, 16:30:39
I have 2 goats buried in the back garden. You may dig them up and use the skulls if you wish. You can use one for the sun-brain experiment and one for the phone-brain jobby.:bounce:

Darkstar
11-05-2006, 16:31:15
And ruin a good party? Buy two goats. One for your test, the other for a drinking flagon.

Funko
11-05-2006, 16:33:08
Excellent Shag!

The more skulls the more repetition of the experiment. In case one has some flaws or something.

Funko
11-05-2006, 16:33:31
And it shalleth be called GoateFest

shagnasty
11-05-2006, 16:39:44
Of course you would also need some sort of hard surface on which to place the experiments, say maybe a big stone table sort of thing preferably west-facing.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2006, 19:13:21
what some kind of stone 'enge?

KrazyHorse@home
11-05-2006, 20:45:39
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Hmm, your science is overly simplistic. The brain insulates itself pretty well

No, it doesn't.

Homogeneity of temperature throughout the body is maintained by circulatory flow.

One part of the brain doesn't heat up and leave the rest untouched. The body is very efficient at regulating temperatures. Especially in the brain, which is one of the most energy-demanding organs. Our entire scalp is covered with blood vessels very near the skin surface precisely in order to efficiently radiate and sweat away heat generated by the brain.

KrazyHorse@home
11-05-2006, 20:50:55
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Another terrible over simplification. The human head is round not flat, the irradiance is inversly proportional to angle from the sun. I'd be surprised if 1/20th of the suns irradiance makes it into your head.

This is ridiculous. The sun't radiance onto the head can be calculated by the integrated cross-section perpendicular to the line of travel between the sun and the head. If the sun is directly overhead then what you do to calculate radiance is look directly down onto the person's head and draw what you see (two dimensionally). Then you calculate the area covered in this two-dimensional picture by parts of the head.

From any reasonable angle, the human head presents ~100-200 cm^2 cross-section

Cruddy
11-05-2006, 21:15:17
From any reasonable angle? What sort of a CG post is that?

Anyway, I blame the Greeks. They invented democracy, even if they did keep it from women, slaves, the poor, the idle.

HelloKitty
12-05-2006, 00:40:11
Originally posted by Funko
http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/Cancer/mobmagca.html

Commonly known facts are not often funny.

Cruddy
12-05-2006, 00:47:30
I can think of few things more tedious than analysing commonly known facts for humour.

Anyway, I indulge in cancer inducing habits every day. It's that or go mad and kill people.

Funko
12-05-2006, 07:57:31
Hooray! Thanks KrazyHorse! My estimates rule! :beer:

Nills Lagerbaak
12-05-2006, 08:14:28
Originally posted by KrazyHorse@home
This is ridiculous. The sun't radiance onto the head can be calculated by the integrated cross-section perpendicular to the line of travel between the sun and the head. If the sun is directly overhead then what you do to calculate radiance is look directly down onto the person's head and draw what you see (two dimensionally). Then you calculate the area covered in this two-dimensional picture by parts of the head.

From any reasonable angle, the human head presents ~100-200 cm^2 cross-section

Yes, I was being a bit flippant with earlier remarks! Once you have your 2D drawing of the head (looking straight down) is the EDIT: energy into head equal to Integral of AdI where I is irradiance as a function away from perpoendicular and A is the surface area of head. It;s annoying cos I used to know all this :(

KrazyHorse@home
12-05-2006, 09:49:30
Originally posted by Funko
Hooray! Thanks KrazyHorse! My estimates rule! :beer:

I checked with a piece of string and a ruler.

God, I'm pathetic.

:(

Funko
12-05-2006, 09:57:33
That's not pathetic! I just wish I'd had some practical resources at my disposal and wasn't at work when I was talking about it.

Colon
12-05-2006, 11:11:48
You are pathetic too.

Funko
12-05-2006, 11:14:29
But you're (literally) an arsehole.

mr_G
12-05-2006, 11:18:13
and from antwerp.......since yesterday not the nice place as it used to be.

MOBIUS
12-05-2006, 12:16:49
What happened yesterday?

I was there a few weeks ago, so it's not my fault...:cute:

Colon
12-05-2006, 12:20:48
Some 18-year old went berserk and shot 3 people in the old town of Antwerp. 2 of them killed, including a 2-year old.

Were still searching for a culprit so please report yourself to the nearest Belgian, thank you very mcuh.

Colon
12-05-2006, 12:29:33
Gotta go now, so read this if you're interested to know more: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=152463