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MoSe
11-04-2006, 12:45:55
that's the final margin....

Lower House, the "Chamber" (of Deputies)
valid ballots 38'151'407
Left 19'001'684=49.806%
Right 18'976'460=49.740%
Left-Right=25'224=0.066%

617 out of 630 seats are assigned thru a purely proportional system on national basis, with the leading colaition boosted to 340 seats (majority bonus) even if leading by a single vote.
Prodi's "triumph" relies on a 25k votes margin... and the invalid ballots (something like the chad issue...) are around half a million.
1 seat has been assigned to the left uninominally from autonomous small region Vallée d'Aoste, and 12 are still to be made official from the expatriate italian citizen votes.

Upper House, the Senate
valid ballots 34'161'604 (voting age is higher, 25)
Left 16'725'077=48.959%
Right 17'153'256=50.212%
Left-Right=-428'179=-1.253%

These % only count for 301 out of 315 seats to be assigned proportionally. And in the Senate the majority bonuses are assigned on a regional basis, a legacy of the Northern League push for Federalism (after their initial claims for secession got tamed). This led to 153 seats for the Right and 148 for the Left.
Two autonomous regions this time retained the uninominal system (i.e. non-proportional, winner-takes-it-all), and they contributed 6 senators for the Left and 2 only for the Right, who kept a 1-seat lead anyway, 155-154. The actual difference in votes in favor of the right tallying those in it's still narrower, but nevertheless 10 times the one in the Chamber: ~256k.

To these, you have to add the abroad citizens votes, who didn't just converge in the national "heap", but were counted separately in 4 "continental constiuencies", producing 6 more Senators.
Those went 4 to the Left, 1 to the Right, and 1 non-aligned in South America, who tho had declared in advance he'd have encouraged stabilty by supporting whichever outcoming majority.
Left=158+1, Right=156.

Apart a consistent non-aligned quota, the left made up for another ~150k votes, reducing the Right's lead in votes to ~100k.

Thus, in the Chamber, 25k votes difference granted to the Left the 55% seats majority bonus threshold, and in the Senate a 2 seats lead was obtained by securing the heavier regions despite 100k less votes overall...

:vom:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4897994.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4898986.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4886466.stm

and particularly "worth" of reading the "Have your say" section :lol:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4886466.stm

Japher
11-04-2006, 12:53:46
too many numbers

Dyl Ulenspiegel
11-04-2006, 12:58:48
In true form, Berlusconi demands a recount. Maybe he can borrow some Florida Republicans?

Venom
11-04-2006, 13:00:15
Yes, because a democrat would never call for a recount.

This thread has the potential to destroy CG's record for most boring thread ever. Currently jointly held by any other MoSe or Dyl thread.

mr_G
11-04-2006, 13:01:05
:cry: what about my threads?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
11-04-2006, 13:01:56
True, the comparison is incomplete. Berlusconi only tried to rig the election law, not the vote itself (ok, maybe his mafia friends in the south helped him there) - so maybe it's too late for him.

MoSe
11-04-2006, 13:07:02
Originally posted by Japher
too many numbers

summary

Originally posted by MoSe
Thus, in the Chamber, 25k votes difference granted to the Left the 55% seats majority bonus threshold, and in the Senate a 2 seats lead was obtained by securing the heavier regions despite 100k less votes overall...


Dyl, when after the initial triumphant decalrations in the afternoon, some leftist candidate commented "how ~odd~ that the first votes to be counted and officially reported by the rightwing Minister in charge were the leftist ones, as if someone has theatrically organised a rigthwing comeback for Berlusconi's TV use...", propmptly the right leaders rebutted in disdaion "don't you dare now to poison with ungrounded slandering the sovereing people's expression!!!".
Here now.

That a recount is advisable with close outcomes, especially in presence of so much "invalidated" ballots which could overturn it, it's just normal in any civilised democracy.

BTW, who was Katherine Harris?

Fistandantilus
11-04-2006, 13:09:31
"Thus, in the Chamber, 25k votes difference granted to the Left the 55% seats majority bonus threshold, and in the Senate a 2 seats lead was obtained by securing the heavier regions despite 100k less votes overall... "

Aren't those laws (majority bonus and abroad citizen votes) voted and strongly wanted by Berlusconi and his cabinet or I'm missing something?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
11-04-2006, 13:25:58
Well a recount is normal, yes. It's just odd that it comes from the party that controls the ministry of the interior, and a party that has absolutely no integrity even by politicians' standards.

MoSe
11-04-2006, 13:37:20
Originally posted by Fistandantilus
Aren't those laws (majority bonus and abroad citizen votes) voted and strongly wanted by Berlusconi and his cabinet or I'm missing something? Yes, indeed I strived to be as neutral as possible ni the report

Some could say that the electoral law stung him back, by allowing Prodi to defeat him thanks to its very mechanisms, albeit handing the Left such a narrow margin to make the government task a very uncertain endeavour.

Others [I'm not amongst them] claim that the law had the precise purpose to curb the "predicted" (?) landslide in favor of the Left, and only thank to that Berlusconi managed to almost avoid the defeat.

Gary
11-04-2006, 14:40:40
I think you'se guys wanna 'nother election. http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/images/graemlins/mafia.gif

Fistandantilus
11-04-2006, 14:58:48
Eh? What's that? American-Italian accent?

Gary
11-04-2006, 16:03:17
Just copying Hollywood gangster/mafia accents - I don't claim any expertise ;)

MDA
11-04-2006, 16:52:07
:lol: only in america (the US part)

except not