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Greg W
07-04-2006, 01:20:38
1) Based on Dungeons and Dragons, which was itself based on Chainmail (by Gary Gygax and Jeff Perren)
2) Originally written by Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson
3) AD&D was first published in 1977 (D&D in 1974)
4) Now in it's third edition (v3.5 to be precise)
5) Now based on the D20 system

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8e/D%26d_Box1st.jpg

BigGameHunter
07-04-2006, 06:22:25
I've got a bunch of that shit I...errrm...found in a dumpster.
Any resale value?

The Mad Monk
07-04-2006, 07:32:48
I've seen manuals in good shape sell for their original 1970s and 1980s prices on ebay, a bit more perfect condition and a lot less for fair condition. Dragon and Dungeon magazines go the same way.

Certain other items -- cards, rare modules, and other extras that were rare even in the day, can command relatively high prices.

Night's Dark Terror, for example, was an excellent B series module that came with cardboard chits (representing monsters and adventurers) and maps large enough to play them on, and a plotline good enough for a year of play if you used it's full potential.

The few times I've seen complete examples on ebay, the final price was never below $100, and any package deal that included it tended to get much higher offers than you would expect.

Koshko
07-04-2006, 08:00:20
Really dull facts.
Plus no Vin Diesel reference.

:funko:

Greg W
07-04-2006, 10:16:59
Yeah BGH, some of the rarer old stuff could be worth a fortune. Esp if you had, say, the original of the pic I posted in mint condition.

HelloKitty
07-04-2006, 19:21:13
Damnit!

I saw a great picture of a fat guy with his retainer falling out of his mouth yesterday and now I can't find it to post here!

Oerdin
07-04-2006, 20:02:49
Haha!

Oerdin
07-04-2006, 20:04:58
BTW the only D&D I might be bothered to play these days would be of the video game variety. I hear NWN 2 is supposed to be a killer game though I wonder how it stacks up to Oblivion.

Edit: Fixed so our Herman friend could understand. For future refrence saying "I couldn't be assed" or similiar such uses of the word ass means you're to lazy to bother.

Vincent
07-04-2006, 20:10:33
What does that mean?

MOBIUS
07-04-2006, 20:21:14
I sold the bulk of my RPG stuff back in 2002 to help finance my round the world trip and got about 1200 for it. That included mostly 1st Ed AD&D manuals and modules - everything went for at least original price and a lot of it went for several times the cost...:beer:

I'm just about to sell about half of what I have left due to it gathering dust and still creating clutter, and the fact I'm not sure I'll ever be bothered playing RPGs IRL again...:)

Oerdin
07-04-2006, 20:23:05
$1800?! Shit, I've got loads of 1st and 2nd edition stuff sitting in a box some where in my parents' attic. I was under the impression that the market in those things had fallen out and now they weren't worth much.

MOBIUS
07-04-2006, 20:27:46
It was a few years back and the UK market, but I'd check ebay prices for some of the stuff you've got and see how the prices stack up...

MOBIUS
07-04-2006, 20:33:26
It seems very hit and miss now...

1987 AD&D MANUAL OF THE PLANES going for 10.50 with about 24hrs to go though, so it could be promising...

I would sell it sooner rather than later though, with the way online and computer games are going these days.

The Mad Monk
10-04-2006, 07:34:50
I have probably %75 of all the stuff from the 70s and 80s, up to 2nd edition, which I loathed. It's probably worth thousands.

I will probably have it buried with me.

Deep in a cave.

With a poison needle trap.

MOBIUS
10-04-2006, 09:07:50
I've still got a battered copy of the original Grimtooth's Traps if you need any ideas...:cute:

Oerdin
10-04-2006, 18:37:18
I have literally every hard cover from 1st edition and a frightening amount of stuff from 2nd edition. It's all been sitting untouched in a box for the last 12 years.

Japher
10-04-2006, 18:54:45
I have 2nd ed stuff, some 3rd, but I never played 3rd edition. I liked playing, it's been years though.

Gygax did another RPG that sucked... something Kingdoms

poor guy got ripped

Cruddy
10-04-2006, 22:46:06
Originally posted by Oerdin
I have literally every hard cover from 1st edition and a frightening amount of stuff from 2nd edition. It's all been sitting untouched in a box for the last 12 years.

I will check out local Forbidden Planet for estimate of worth.

I would guess you're looking at maybe 2 grand US for very good or mint condition.

Don't get excited, that is just a guess. But they charge a mint for that sort of stuff.

Oerdin
11-04-2006, 19:44:39
Originally posted by Japher
I have 2nd ed stuff, some 3rd, but I never played 3rd edition. I liked playing, it's been years though.

Gygax did another RPG that sucked... something Kingdoms

poor guy got ripped

Yeah, some Egyptian stuff which he did in the mid to late 90's. I'd already stopped gaming by that time so I didn't pay attention to it.

Oerdin
11-04-2006, 19:45:48
Originally posted by Cruddy
I will check out local Forbidden Planet for estimate of worth.

I would guess you're looking at maybe 2 grand US for very good or mint condition.

Don't get excited, that is just a guess. But they charge a mint for that sort of stuff.

Mine are in about average condition. They were well used but taken care off.

self biased
11-04-2006, 19:56:10
i still have all my original hollow world stuff in my parent's attic.

The Mad Monk
12-04-2006, 05:24:51
Hollow World was great; it's a shame they decided to edit it out of existance when the Basic D&D ruleset went bye-bye.

Part of the reason I gave up on TSR in the early nineties.

Sir Penguin
12-04-2006, 07:06:29
Originally posted by Oerdin
BTW the only D&D I might be bothered to play these days would be of the video game variety. I hear NWN 2 is supposed to be a killer game though I wonder how it stacks up to Oblivion.
You'll probably be over Oblivion by then, NWN 2's not supposed to go gold until late Q3 or Q4. I'm expecting good things out of Obsidian, considering they've been given three times as long to work on NWN 2 as they did on KOTOR 2 (which would have been fantastic if they'd had three times as long to work on it). In any case, NWN and TES don't really compare on any tangible grounds. They're completely different systems.

SP

Sir Penguin
12-04-2006, 07:12:16
I've been running a 3.5 edition game on another forum for almost 2 years. It's a lot of fun, but I prefer playing to DMing. I'd love to play in real life here in Victoria, but I wouldn't want to hang around with a bunch of random dorks. One of my roommates last year was into the game, but sadly we never made anything of it. I have a friend who's never played, but it getting into it, so hopefully we can work something out.

SP

JM^3
12-04-2006, 07:51:02
yeah, I like playing with freinds but would not want to do so with a random group of dorks

in grad school I was in two games.. in undergrad I took part in a mini campaign (over spring break) and a couple one night only ones

I also prefer to play... (too much work to have to follow the rules and make stuff up)

Jon Miller

JM^3
12-04-2006, 07:51:44
before my senior year (of undergrad), I thought RPGs were stupid things that pulled people away from strategy games..

I still prefer strategy games

JM

JM^3
12-04-2006, 07:57:50
The ones I would prefer to play though would be something like Traveller...

DnD 3.5 is OK, but seems like too many people can't stop from digging into different manuals and min/maxing...

JM

Sir Penguin
12-04-2006, 08:10:07
I'm not into min/maxing, but I enjoy the huge array of options available in the supplements. Complete Arcane and Complete Adventurer are fantastic.

SP

JM^3
12-04-2006, 08:17:06
Yeah, I don't have those two..

When we were playing 3.5 I did get the Fighter one and the Unearthed Arcanum one.. maybe one other?

Jon Miller

JM^3
12-04-2006, 08:18:17
basically, I like those, but I think that they should be the province of the GM and the GM alone

I don't like what happens when players get their hands on them, plan out their characters to level 40, and than expect the GM to allow them to develope their characters in such a way

character development should be within the story, not outside it

JM

JM^3
12-04-2006, 08:21:24
and yeah.. I often do that when I have access to the books...

JM

Funko
12-04-2006, 08:25:19
Any or all rules should only be applied at the GM's discretion. They are a guideline not set in stone.

JM^3
12-04-2006, 08:33:12
true, but players whine and GMs like to please players

JM

Funko
12-04-2006, 08:37:53
Bad GMs do (eg. me). Not that I have done any for 10+ years

JM^3
12-04-2006, 08:46:32
I have played 3 campaigns..

the first one was short (5 sessions durring spring break), it was with modified 3.0 to his own divising, and he modified classes somewhat...

second one was paladium, the GM and one player knew the rules, the GM had a character, the GM and one other player used the rules to make uber characters for themsevles (the non GM made a witch)... one other player made an uber character by accident (a minataur)

in this one player conflict was introduced by the GM and made to be central to the story, the minataur was forced by the GM to be a servant to the witch... and when the GM wanted people to do something (like go through portal to Rifts Earth) he would have his character do it (but otherwise his character would do nothing but fight/kick ass)

needless to say, this second campaign was sort of sucky...

the third was by antoher freind, and was 3.5, it was pretty good and he allowed us to go wher we wanted, including deciding to head straight off towards the Great Evil... but 3-4 of us knew 3.5 very well and he didn't and he gave us powerful items and bended over backwards to allow people to multiclass how they wanted to...

This third was a good game, but I wished that the GM knew the game better and that he woudn't allow us to be so metagamy with our character design... (we quit this one because the GM got busy with research)

Jon Miller

self biased
12-04-2006, 13:36:39
grab the book of vile darkness, if you can.

Chris
12-04-2006, 15:36:06
Gary Gygax was originally a war gamer, and offered his ideas to the companies that made them, and was turned down.

They didn't think it would make money.

They are also out of business now.

Resource Consumer
12-04-2006, 15:36:46
Whatever happened to Gygax?

Resource Consumer
12-04-2006, 15:38:22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Gygax

Funko
12-04-2006, 15:40:58
Retired?

If he was born in 2006 he's 68 now.

Chris
12-04-2006, 15:43:07
Guy was a self made sucess story.

TSR made cool games in the days before PC games were popular.

Venom
12-04-2006, 15:43:15
NERDS!!!!!!!!

Chris
12-04-2006, 15:46:05
Originally posted by Funko
Retired?

If he was born in 2006 he's 68 now. Funko either is not a math major or has a time machine...:hmm:

Funko
12-04-2006, 15:48:14
I thought 1938 but I did not type it.

Chris
12-04-2006, 15:49:10
Explanations are for lesser men.

Funko
12-04-2006, 15:49:38
Wow, he thinks I'm a man. :D

Venom
12-04-2006, 15:49:58
That's bizarre.

Chris
12-04-2006, 15:57:50
Dammit, foiled again.

Sir Penguin
12-04-2006, 18:14:47
Originally posted by JM^3
true, but players whine and GMs like to please players

JM
Word. I had a player try to convince me that Spring Attack would let he make a move action and a full attack action in one round, his primary argument being that if it didn't, he wouldn't have taken it (admittedly, the feat description was kind of vague, but it just doesn't make sense to do it his way). He left after a long argument. Good riddance, but I still felt kind of bad, and the rest of the game was ruined.

SP

JM^3
12-04-2006, 18:49:17
I didn't see something that bad

but I did misread a feat.. and when we discovered that it was being used wrong the GM allowed me to pick another one

(good thing I was using it wrong, because otherwise I would have been dead the first day we played)

Jon Miller

Nav
12-04-2006, 19:04:29
I feel so proud of myself, when I saw this thread I thought it was about Attention Deficit Disorder.

*Nav rolls 10 on Not-a-geek attribute*

Venom
12-04-2006, 19:07:29
*Nav maintains geeky website*

+20 on geek attribute.

Japher
12-04-2006, 19:35:52
So does Venom

Venom
12-04-2006, 20:39:30
What website does that dumbfuck maintain?

Cruddy
12-04-2006, 22:46:13
"I'm very fond of the Medieval period, the Dark Ages in particular..."

Shows what a fuckwit he really is. Although quoting from Wiki is like quoting the village idiot for accuracy.

Sir Penguin
13-04-2006, 23:14:53
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
You'll probably be over Oblivion by then, NWN 2's not supposed to go gold until late Q3 or Q4.
Developers expect September, 2006:

http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2006/4/13/3573

SP

MOBIUS
17-04-2006, 15:39:13
Personally I thought AD&D started going downhill when they brought out that awful Unearthed Arcana book...:vom:

The Mad Monk
17-04-2006, 16:41:07
Why? All it did was take a bunch of new spells / classes / items that had appeared in Dragon Magazine and that most readers used and liked, and made them official.

The largest complaint I had heard about it at the time was about the new stuff that was left out, like the anti-paladin and the jester.

MOBIUS
17-04-2006, 18:21:35
It was the beginning of all that twatty crap about the new classes (Barbarian, Cavalier etc), basically it was like saying "look now you're going to have to buy loads of other crap from us, but until we bring it all out half your classes are going to be shit":p

Needless to say I ignored all the classes crap and never bought any new books from that point on...

AD&D 1st Ed all the way!

The Mad Monk
17-04-2006, 19:14:56
I didn't see it that way at all. That garbage didn't happen until 2nd edition.

MOBIUS
24-04-2006, 12:30:29
Exactly, it was the herald of the new thinking...;)

BTW I've decided to get rid of some of my clutter and sell some of my last remaining vestiges of RPG/Comics stuff (not everything though!), including my very last lead figures...:(

The bottom appears to have fallen out of the lead figs market these days I note, but I have high hopes for the Kings and Things games considering the number of watchers I have for it.

So, why not watch with me how they do: http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZaaronQ5faQ5faardvark

Venom
24-04-2006, 12:44:14
NERDS! NEEEEEEERDS!!!!!!

http://www.80stees.com/images/products/ROTN_Ogre-Tee-shirt.jpg

Darkstar
24-04-2006, 21:15:49
Kings and Things absolutely rocked! I still have that game box collecting dust on a shelf.

Oerdin
24-04-2006, 23:44:54
Originally posted by JM^3
before my senior year (of undergrad), I thought RPGs were stupid things that pulled people away from strategy games..sex.

I still prefer strategy gamessex.


Fixed.

Oerdin
24-04-2006, 23:46:46
Or maybe not. Strike doesn't work nor does line, l, or s. :(

Immortal Wombat
25-04-2006, 00:29:49
ha ha

Oerdin
25-04-2006, 02:22:02
Originally posted by MOBIUS
Personally I thought AD&D started going downhill when they brought out that awful Unearthed Arcana book...:vom:

The barbarian was cool but I disliked how they made role playing opportunities into seporate classes. I much prefered the kits idea from second edition though that quickly got munchkinified from minor balanced +5 to this and -5 top that into +26,000 to this and -1 to that. I never took a serious look at 3rd edition but what little I saw was nothing short of a munchkin's paradise.

Sir Penguin
25-04-2006, 05:30:57
Then you didn't read enough.

SP

The Mad Monk
25-04-2006, 05:46:44
Well...leveling is rediculously quick compared to 1st edition. Encounters also tended to be tougher, especially if you were crazy enough to start out as a magic user.

King_Ghidra
25-04-2006, 08:56:40
I remember reading old editions of White Dwarf here (and i mean in the 80's when it was a proper rpg mag not a GW catalogue) and someone absolutely took UA to bits for the unbalanced piece of crap it was.

Personally i didn't like the kits concept, and i pretty much agree with mobius about the 'you need to buy all these other books to play the game fully' kind of mentality.

I preferred the stuff they did that established whole other worlds and completely different classes, like Oriental Adventures and Ravenlof and stuff like that. The simplicity of the mainline AD&D was always an attraction for me, stuff like character kits and optional rules and suchlike just bogged it down and pandered to the min maxers.

JM^3
25-04-2006, 09:00:02
What I like about kits and stuff is that they had versitility to your character... gives it powers that are different from others.

However, I sort of think that should be done by imaginiation, and in the flow of the story (by the GM). Just grabbing different classes to maximise your power isn't RP.

Jon Miller
(I first played 3rd, than GURPS, than Palladium, and finally 3.5)

King_Ghidra
25-04-2006, 09:07:42
Yup, agreed. And i don't think i ever played an RPG in RL where people didn't use house rules of some variety or other anyway.

Sir Penguin
25-04-2006, 18:08:40
Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Well...leveling is rediculously quick compared to 1st edition. Encounters also tended to be tougher, especially if you were crazy enough to start out as a magic user.
As far as I know, you can also level much higher in 3rd edition than in 1st edition (I've never played the latter, but I've heard that a 1e level 12 is approximately equivalent to a 3e level 20). Third edition has rules for up to and beyond level 40.

http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/epicBasicsAndClasses.htm

SP

jsorense
25-04-2006, 19:22:45
HA! HA!
I have been to B.C. twice in the last few months and still have been able to avoid Sir Penguin.
btw, rumor (rumour) has it that he is real an auk.

Sir Penguin
25-04-2006, 20:16:28
I hate you more than life itself.

SP

Sir Penguin
25-04-2006, 20:27:06
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
As far as I know, you can also level much higher in 3rd edition than in 1st edition (I've never played the latter, but I've heard that a 1e level 12 is approximately equivalent to a 3e level 20). Third edition has rules for up to and beyond level 40.

http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/epicBasicsAndClasses.htm

SP
Speaking of the SRD, all of the d20 core material is available for free under the open gaming license (I think it's the OGL). That includes the information from the Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, Monster Manual, Epic Level Handbook, Deities and Demigods, and whatever the Psionics book is. All of the information is there, but any world-specific things (e.g. spells like "Bigby's X" and "Mordenkainen's Whatever", and Faerun gods) have been renamed or removed. You don't have to buy anything to play 3.5e, let alone supplemental books.

SP

Darkstar
25-04-2006, 20:36:29
But you will spend some time collecting the rules and reading through them. They aren't exactly reader friendly, lots of rules are scattered in the wrong sections, etc etc etc.

You will probably end up paying a few different someones to find a good printing/editting (to fix the problems in the official source).

Sir Penguin
25-04-2006, 22:33:05
What are you talking about?

SP

HelloKitty
26-04-2006, 02:45:57
All the books are downloadable. I just looked at piratebay org and you can get them all from torrent.

HelloKitty
26-04-2006, 02:53:50
In fact there are torrents where you can download every 3.5 thing ever released in one go.

God damn pirates.

Sir Penguin
26-04-2006, 04:18:10
That's not as good as it sounds though. The PDFs aren't searchable, they're a hassle to browse, and you have to read them off of a screen. Using real books or the HTML SRD is way better. I do download supplements before buying them though.

SP

Morte
26-04-2006, 06:40:40
Ahhh...this thread takes me back...all those hours playing through the G, D & Q Modules. Happy times.

MOBIUS
26-04-2006, 09:46:45
NOW you're talking!:D

Funko
26-04-2006, 09:59:50
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
That's not as good as it sounds though. The PDFs aren't searchable, they're a hassle to browse, and you have to read them off of a screen.

Don't you have printers?

Immortal Wombat
26-04-2006, 13:28:36
But does he have the small forest needed to supply enough paper?

Sir Penguin
26-04-2006, 19:39:32
Add in the fact that it will be in black and white, a crummy reproduction, not bound properly (a big stack of 100-150 pieces of paper per book is not a pleasure to use or transport, let alone several stacks of that size), and subject to printing errors, and it adds up to a whole lot of not interested.

SP

HelloKitty
26-04-2006, 21:13:47
You using a C64 and dot matrix printer?

I also would like to introduce you to the modern marvel of the stapler!

Aren't those books 20-30$ each? If there are 50 of them I would think it would be worth the hassle to use a stapler and save the money.

And is a hardcopy searchable any more than a printed copy?

What the fuck? ARE YOU A TSR EMPLOYEE SPYING ON US?

HelloKitty
26-04-2006, 21:14:50
One more thing, why do you need colour text for a game where you use your imagination to see everything?

Are you a larper? A Furry/Larper?

Pervert.

Darkstar
26-04-2006, 21:18:11
As you can see, SP knows exactly what I'm talking about.

TSR is no more then a brand. He'd be a spy for Wizards of the Roast (ha ha! Their darn NSA spybots won't find that!).

HelloKitty
26-04-2006, 21:43:01
Its all coming together. Sir Penguin is a Furry Larper.

He dresses as a penguin/knight and dreams of yiffing with sexy skunk/fox princesses.

I think we need to change our ban policy and weed out this pervert.

Here is a site with him and his buddies.

http://www.miawolff.com/content/design/costume/menu.htm

Darkstar
26-04-2006, 21:49:27
Oh my goodness! :eek: I don't even want to know, not even consider, what kind of fetish "Stinkbug" is into! :eek: Nope.

*covers ears, looks away* Lalalalalalalalaal!

Sir Penguin
26-04-2006, 21:55:53
Originally posted by HelloKitty
You using a C64 and dot matrix printer?

I also would like to introduce you to the modern marvel of the stapler!

Aren't those books 20-30$ each? If there are 50 of them I would think it would be worth the hassle to use a stapler and save the money
Have you actually used a book bound using a stapler? It's not a pleasent experience, and doesn't hold up to extensive use. Have you actually tried stapling a 300-page book, for that matter? Admittedly, you could get a ring binding for a few dollars (assuming the paper shop doesn't mind binding a pirated book), but it's still not an ideal option unless you're broke.

If I printed the Player's Handbook using UVic's good laser printers, it would cost me C$21 (plus binding), it would still be in black and white, it would still be on printer paper (making the book about 50% again as thick as the real book), and it would still not have a binding that's robust or comfortable to use. It's definitely a cost-effective solution if you're willing to make those sacrifices (the real PHB costs C$27.69 plus tax and shipping at Amazon), but for me, the extra stuff is worth the money--not for all the books, but for some of them.

Regarding colour, black and white suffices, but colour makes the books prettier and more readable (especially the descriptive images).

Originally posted by HelloKitty
And is a hardcopy searchable any more than a printed copy?
Not really, although the paper in real books is somewhat easier to use than printer paper. I was refering to the free, searchable online SRD.

SP

Sir Penguin
26-04-2006, 21:56:36
Originally posted by HelloKitty
Its all coming together. Sir Penguin is a Furry Larper.

He dresses as a penguin/knight and dreams of yiffing with sexy skunk/fox princesses.

I think we need to change our ban policy and weed out this pervert.

Here is a site with him and his buddies.

http://www.miawolff.com/content/design/costume/menu.htm
Now, this is completely true, and another thread entirely.

SP

Darkstar
26-04-2006, 21:58:52
What's the product link for that at Amazon? I've got a gift certificate to Amazon, and that seems like a good way to burn the certificate.

Darkstar
26-04-2006, 22:00:24
SP, I thought you dreamed about having your own slave Cat Girls?

Sir Penguin
26-04-2006, 22:04:13
Player's Handbook 3.5e, for US$18.87: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0786928867

SP

Sir Penguin
26-04-2006, 22:07:37
Ooooh, they have the PHB II up for preorder, and Complete Psionic, too. Complete Psionic probably isn't worth it, from the reviews. :(

SP

Darkstar
26-04-2006, 22:34:15
Thanks for the link!

PHB 2? I haven't kept up with any of the D&D happenings. Is that version 2 of the PH, or just an "Unearthed Arcana" sort of deal?

HelloKitty
26-04-2006, 22:40:15
I staple, hole punch, ring bind huge printouts all the time.

For example, I have the 368 page Oblivion guide I DLed right in front of me. I think I printed 200+ pages of PDFs, notes, and PPts that will all be heavy duty stapled together or put ina binder.

Why does it cost you so much to print? Use Uni property to print all your crap like I do. They shouldn't charge more than a few cents a page and most unis have a few places where printing is free if you know about them. Or are you paying for the "good" printers. BAH. Knock it down to draft quality and go!

I send my big stuff downstairs to the med school student computer lab printers under a generic name. That way my printer stays free and I know it will all get printed as Med students in line behind my print job will replace paper, remove jams, etc.

Sir Penguin
26-04-2006, 22:40:17
It's a supplement, not a core rulebook. There's also a DMG II, and several incarnations of the Monter manual (I think it goes up to IV). Obviously, I haven't seen it yet, so I don't know if it's worth the money. One of the interesting things it provides is race affiliations, which, I understand, makes how your character advances different based on what race he is.

SP

Sir Penguin
26-04-2006, 22:46:01
I'm not faculty, I don't get access to free printers. It costs 7 cents per page, regardless of print quality. Like I said, draft quality and staples is fine if you're broke, or if you get a kick out of screwing other people out of money, but I'm willing to pay a little more to get a high-quality paper product legally. If you're really that desperate to save money, use the SRD.

SP

HelloKitty
26-04-2006, 22:58:10
7 cents? WTF?

And there will be free printers you could use, you just have to find them. They aren't generally advertized. At many places the small branch libraries in research buildings won't have print fees, but no undergrads use them so its not a problem.

And I don't use any of it. If I did, I would DL and print it. TSR or WoTC etc are out of control!

Sir Penguin
26-04-2006, 23:43:52
They charge that much so that cheap people won't waste hundreds of pages of their paper just to avoid paying for a book. I'm sure I could find some way to get my own subpar copy of the D&D books for free if I really wanted to.

SP

Sir Penguin
27-04-2006, 00:11:39
Of course, $20 for a map and a 16-page adventure is complete bullshit.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/953640000

SP

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
27-04-2006, 00:15:31
Try submitting the PDF to one of them self-publishing sites. Unless you're worried they'll bust you for copyrighted materials, for a few bucks you can get a trade paperback-sized authentic reproduction of your PDFs.

Darkstar
27-04-2006, 00:55:16
Thanks again, SP!

I'm expecting WotC to do the bazillion kits/supplements deal. They are the masters of expanding something until its dead, after all.

Sir Penguin
27-04-2006, 01:18:14
Originally posted by Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
Try submitting the PDF to one of them self-publishing sites. Unless you're worried they'll bust you for copyrighted materials, for a few bucks you can get a trade paperback-sized authentic reproduction of your PDFs.
That would be a nightmare to read. You'd need a magnifying glass. :gasmaske:

Darkstar: there's already really a lot of stupid bullshit for 3.5e; like Kitty said, over 50 full-sized books. I'd guess about 50% of those, or, at least, 50% of the information in them, aren't all that useful. I own around a dozen books, all of which are 90% good stuff, and I'd buy maybe two or three more. The rest are for the hardcore rich kids who actually need extensive rules to--for example--build a stronghold, or play a minotaur. WotC isn't completely bereft of ideas yet, since they seem to be putting most of their effort into the miniatures line instead of real content.

SP

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
27-04-2006, 04:37:10
Hmmm. Maybe there's a way to get each page printed across two? Or a larger book size. I only have experience getting trade paperback sized books published through that kind of thing.

LoC went looking on Lulu.com, they apparently have 8 1/2 by 11. That might work for you, and you can get it perfect bound, saddle stitch, single leaf brochure, plastic spiral.

Sir Penguin
27-04-2006, 05:39:13
Interesting. It looks like a D&D book would need to have a "Perfect" binding, and the minimum production run for one of those is 35. They definitely won't print a pirated D&D book though, and they probably wouldn't print an original work that uses the d20 ruleset.

SP

Sir Penguin
27-04-2006, 05:41:15
Actually Lulu.com would be more expensive than just buying the book straight up. About US$45 per volume for a colour, softcover printing of the PHB.

SP

MOBIUS
02-05-2006, 13:06:35
eBay Update:

Sales of note:

Managed to sell my Battlestar Galactica DVDs for more than I bought them a few weeks ago.

Sold my Kings and Things for 17.50 - almost twice what I got it for!

Best sale was my Orc Standard Bearer who was sold for 8.26 - for just one lead figure!

I have to say the bottom seems to have fallen out of the lead figures market though...:( Anyway, 75 richer now:)

Japher
02-05-2006, 13:10:26
deGeeking?

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
02-05-2006, 16:10:52
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
Actually Lulu.com would be more expensive than just buying the book straight up. About US$45 per volume for a colour, softcover printing of the PHB.

SP

You might be able to get around that by submittin gthe contents to be printed, asking for an author review copy, then canceling the job :) But maybe not.

JM^3
02-05-2006, 17:59:59
all this sounds like too much work

JM

Funko
03-05-2006, 08:04:13
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
I'm not faculty, I don't get access to free printers. It costs 7 cents per page, regardless of print quality. Like I said, draft quality and staples is fine if you're broke, or if you get a kick out of screwing other people out of money, but I'm willing to pay a little more to get a high-quality paper product legally. If you're really that desperate to save money, use the SRD.

SP

You don't have free printers somewhere? That sucks. :(

Sir Penguin
04-05-2006, 01:55:52
I know a few people at school who might have access to free printing facilities. I have my own printer, too, which works great for text jobs (not for high-res raster jobs though).

SP