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Oerdin
21-03-2006, 18:14:05
Nice to see you here. To what do we owe the honor? :beer:

paiktis22
21-03-2006, 18:18:30
he's hiding from the demonstrators.

Japher
21-03-2006, 18:19:02
demons?

paiktis22
21-03-2006, 18:19:14
of controlled economics

paiktis22
21-03-2006, 18:27:43
not that im against them, it just sounded like a nice follow up :D

Oerdin
21-03-2006, 18:51:03
I would like to know what he thinks of the latest labor reforms which effect young people. I only have heard the views of one Frenchman on this topic so far and since he is a die-hard member of the communist party he wasn't very representative.

paiktis22
21-03-2006, 18:52:49
funny thingy, the leader of the oppisition called here the crowds to rebel in the same fashion as the french against the governments plans for employment.
the gov. replied that what the opposition had proposed before the elections were in fact exactly the same things if not worse than those villpain (the french PM) said. so the gov. said, the opposition is asking the crowds to rebel against its own proposals, which is funny.
with opposition like that.... :D

Oerdin
21-03-2006, 18:58:34
I honestly think these are great reforms since the main reason no one will hire someone is because it is so difficult and expensive to fire someone. This proposal will help change that for a portion of the French population. They're still going to be very uncompetitive compared to most other countries due to their high costs but at least they're improving their competitiveness to some degree.

paiktis22
21-03-2006, 19:12:50
Well the opposite view is that such jobs are not really "jobs". They'll be insecured and only a fraction of a real job. So the crowds are basically saying, cut your throat but we want proper jobs. Not half jobs.

maroule
22-03-2006, 08:21:35
there are several levels to that question. French labour laws need reforming, they were built to ensure a level of protection we can't afford anymore. But nobody is willing to make any sacrifices, since there is no notions of general interest anymore and no social pact. So the "young", no more than the others, want to let go of anything. It's the "policy of the worst".

The CPE is not a particularly clever reform though, much better to revamp the whole legal framework behind the work contract. But it became of point of crispation, the left/labour unions have an ideal opportunity to rebuild some steam, and Villepin boxed himself into a corner.

Basically, as for everything in France right now, it will have to get worse before it gets better.

MoSe
22-03-2006, 08:54:03
Interesting, most of the above post could be easily adapted to the italian sitaution too.

with 18 days to the general elections ( :eek: ) this is one of the nodes of the campaign.
We call such jobs "precarious". The governing right wing claims they have created over a million job posts which the previous leftist government failed to do, the opposition rebuts that the right only has increased the "precariate", that after few months the 1m new employed will turn into 2m new unemployed (?), calling for (and promising in case of left victory) structural reforms. Of course we all know that we don't know how to afford those, and the right rides it prophesising that the left will have to "put their greedy hands in the worker's wallets" while the left never fails to yell "you'll hurtle us in a French-like situation!!!" :lol:

MoSe
22-03-2006, 08:59:13
Originally posted by Japher
demons?

yes, demons-traitors :)