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Drekkus
09-02-2006, 13:15:14
I saw a jobadvert a while back, same line of work, with about 20% better pay. For fun I send in my resume, just to test my marketvalue, and to see how far I would get (also for a bit of practice, since I haven't had job interview for 6 years) . Out of all the applicants, 10 have been selected with an interview with the recruiter. Out of those 3 have been sent on to the employer for interviews. This morning the recruiter phoned me to tell me I'm the only one left. One interview with the directors and an assesment centre to go, and the job is mine. :eek:

Stupid thing is, I didn't quite plan on leaving. I'm pretty at ease at my work, nice collegues, pay is not too bad. Plus it's a small organisation, people who I've been working with for 6 years now. No close friends, but a good bond anyway. My boss is either going to explode or start to cry when I announce my departure. She even might try topping the offer I will get from the other employer.

So I'm very emotionally mixed. Happy that I'm wanted, sad about leaving.

And the damn thing is, I just bought a house really close to my current work. When we move in 2007, my new job will then be even further away then my current commute. :cry:

Funko
09-02-2006, 13:17:07
You don't HAVE to accept their offer.

Venom
09-02-2006, 13:21:54
Fuck you Shitkiss. Get a damn job by accident. I can't even get a new job on purpose.

Drekkus
09-02-2006, 13:22:26
I know. Initially I saw it as a nice opportunity to negotiate better pay at my current job. But after the interviews, I think it actually may be a really nice job. Plus a change in career after six years is not a bad idea either.
So what started as a test, might turn out to be a career move.

Good thing is I can negotiate good terms. After going through the whole process, I have the best negotiating position. I can state my demands, and if they don't fullfill it, I can just say no and stay here.

Tizzy
09-02-2006, 13:24:28
Originally posted by Venom
Fuck you Shitkiss. Get a damn job by accident. I can't even get a new job on purpose.

Let's kill him and then you can have his old job and I'll take the new one.

Drekkus
09-02-2006, 13:25:15
They have good job conditions though. 13th month of pay, 38 hour workweek, fair amount of compensation in the mortgage costs, and some other extras.

Venom
09-02-2006, 13:27:51
Originally posted by Tizzy
Let's kill him and then you can have his old job and I'll take the new one.

You know where he lives right? Let's do it.

Gary
09-02-2006, 13:34:31
Congrats :)

Japher
09-02-2006, 13:47:42
can't you do both jobs?

are you that lazy?!

mr_G
09-02-2006, 13:52:59
Originally posted by Venom
You know where he lives right? Let's do it. then you live next to me :bounce:

King_Ghidra
09-02-2006, 14:27:40
Originally posted by Drekkus
They have good job conditions though. 13th month of pay.

?? 1 month free pay?? isn't that just like saying a higher salary?

mr_G
09-02-2006, 14:29:29
no
it's a tax thing

Drekkus
09-02-2006, 14:39:31
is it?

But yes, it's a sort of bonus you get at the end of the year. Just another month worth of pay.

No idea how it works tax wise though.

Funko
09-02-2006, 14:42:40
Just make sure it doesn't just mean you get paid every 28 days. :D

mr_G
09-02-2006, 14:44:41
Originally posted by Drekkus
is it?

But yes, it's a sort of bonus you get at the end of the year. Just another month worth of pay.

No idea how it works tax wise though. it's something like a xmas gift, less tax over that amount and so on and so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Drekkus
09-02-2006, 14:50:01
Originally posted by Funko
Just make sure it doesn't just mean you get paid every 28 days. :D Some people have that, and thus get paid 13 months of salary. :)

Tizzy
09-02-2006, 14:52:09
My Mum and Dad get that.

Funko
09-02-2006, 14:53:15
Yes... exactly. Which is why I mentioned it...

Fistandantilus
09-02-2006, 15:28:46
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
?? 1 month free pay?? isn't that just like saying a higher salary?

It's standard practice in Italy to receive 'the thirteenth' in December.

Jobs in the tertiary, like mine, get the 14th too so I get double my salary in July and December.
I think it's pretty stupid btw.

Tizzy
09-02-2006, 15:34:25
Is it actual extra months salary as a bonus on top of the contracted amount, or simply that the salary is divided by 14 so you get less in the other months?

Drekkus
09-02-2006, 15:37:24
The first. But of course you don't know if your normal salary would be higher had the bonus not been there.

Fist, is that your "holiday money", that you get in july? Because everyone here is entitled to "vacation money", which is 8% of your salary = extra month pay. Which is paid in may here.

Funko
09-02-2006, 15:41:01
We don't get that... but for certain our salaries would be lower if we did.

Funko
09-02-2006, 15:41:35
Yay. I phrased it like a Dutch person.

Drekkus
09-02-2006, 15:50:52
That's why I understood it so clearly.

Funko
09-02-2006, 16:00:41
For sure.

Fistandantilus
09-02-2006, 16:02:36
Originally posted by Drekkus
The first. But of course you don't know if your normal salary would be higher had the bonus not been there.

Fist, is that your "holiday money", that you get in july? Because everyone here is entitled to "vacation money", which is 8% of your salary = extra month pay. Which is paid in may here.

Dunno, we call it "the 14th". I simply get paid twice.

MoSe can probably make some statistics of what that implies in practice but I think it's obviously a devious plan to make people spend this 'extra money' in useless stuff :p

Venom
09-02-2006, 16:03:04
For certain.

Drekkus
09-02-2006, 16:19:43
Originally posted by Fistandantilus
Dunno, we call it "the 14th". I simply get paid twice.

MoSe can probably make some statistics of what that implies in practice but I think it's obviously a devious plan to make people spend this 'extra money' in useless stuff :p OK, so it's what we call 'vacation money'. People here use it for vacation. Or other investments of course. :D

Lurker the Second
09-02-2006, 16:36:05
Yaay for beer!

mr_G
09-02-2006, 16:39:12
Originally posted by Funko
Yay. I phrased it like a Dutch person. you are brilliant

Drekkus
09-02-2006, 16:57:32
Originally posted by Lurker the Second
Yaay for beer! Spilling liquid on your pants does not qualify as an investment.

Lurker the Second
09-02-2006, 17:00:36
Damn, I'd be rich. :(

MoSe
13-02-2006, 16:40:03
Originally posted by Fistandantilus
Dunno, we call it "the 14th". I simply get paid twice.

MoSe can probably make some statistics of what that implies in practice but I think it's obviously a devious plan to make people spend this 'extra money' in useless stuff :p

the above posts assumptions are wrong.

Here we negotiate the yearly gross amount.

getting paid in 13 or 14 "mensilities" (monthlies?) actually means that you get each month just 1/13th or 1/14th of your yearly income instead of 1/12th.
this is a company trick to DELAY paying the worker a part of his salary, NOT to give them some more.
Same with the "end-of-relationship" treatment, the company keeps a good chunk (I think 5 or10%) of the total negoatiated amount, sets it aside in a fund to be given to the worker only when he quits the job. All the while it's the company lucrating on investing that money, instead of the woker...

I'm only employed sisnce 4-5 years, I was free-lance earlier, but I remember such "institutions" were already in place when I was a kid, almost 40 years ago, dunno why...

Oerdin
13-02-2006, 17:13:07
If Drekkus gets a new job then Mr G will be getting a new boss who might not let him post as much. :(

Fistandantilus
13-02-2006, 17:15:31
getting paid in 13 or 14 "mensilities" (monthlies?) actually means that you get each month just 1/13th or 1/14th of your yearly income instead of 1/12th.


There are two months in which I get 1/7th of my yearly income so the above statement is wrong and I actually get paid twice :p

Of course the yearly income is what you should compare to see which job get paid more.. it's Drekkus who makes confusion with his 13th month of pay not me :p

MoSe
14-02-2006, 09:11:24
Fist, does that "extra" pay get declared in you 730 or UNICO or 101 tax module?

If so, your yearly income INCLUDES the 13th (as well as the so-called "production-bonus" we get in july, which actually is a part of the income disguised as bonus).
If not, then you're EVADING your taxes. BOOOO! :p ;)

I NEVER heard in 20 years of talking with other workers in any sector that the 13th is tax-free.

besides, if getting paid twice you get 1/7th, you admit yourself that normally you then get 1/14th, not 1/12th.
So you get 10 * 1/14th = 10/14th, plus 2* 1/7th = 2/7th = 4/14th, total 14/14th.
In the first 5 months you get 7.14% of your yearly instead of 8.33%. Your company keeps 1.19% instead of giving it to you. On the 6th month you get 7.14 %plus the kept 1.19% times 6 months, = another 7.14%.
So this is a trick to give you 1.19% of your yearly 5 months later, another 1.19% 4 months later, and 3 more 1.19% chunks with 3, 2 & 1 months delay. Same for the 2nd 6 months of the year.



Anyway, to get to the gross I negotiated I have to tally the 13th in, or I'd be short of it.
So my previous statement it's true for me, for 10 thousand colleagues in my company and for all the italian TLC industrial sector workers who share the same National Frame Contract.

___
drekkus is making confusion by default, but I have no idea whether in the more civilised Holland they *actually* give a worker an extra chunk of salary free of taxes....?

mr_G
14-02-2006, 09:14:21
Originally posted by Oerdin
If Drekkus gets a new job then Mr G will be getting a new boss who might not let him post as much. :( say what?

well now i am confused

Funko
14-02-2006, 09:14:50
:lol:

mr_G
14-02-2006, 09:28:30
Don't laugh you!!!!

The man thinks that Drekkus is my boss or what?

Funko
14-02-2006, 09:30:35
Hasn't he seen you punch your boss on your nose.

mr_G
14-02-2006, 09:38:08
it's time to punch him again.......

mr_G
14-02-2006, 09:40:42
http://webdisk.planet.nl/heijm509/publiek/album/hit_boss_004.jpg

dammit oerdin, that good looking man is NOT Drekkus.

Funko
14-02-2006, 09:50:21
Who's punching Drekkus?

mr_G
14-02-2006, 10:13:52
:lol:

Drekkus
14-02-2006, 11:14:10
That fist is mine though.

mr_G
14-02-2006, 11:14:51
you wish...............................eye wish.

Drekkus
14-02-2006, 11:30:14
Originally posted by MoSe
...
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drekkus is making confusion by default, but I have no idea whether in the more civilised Holland they *actually* give a worker an extra chunk of salary free of taxes....? No they don't. MrG suggested that, but it's not so. You just get a bonus in december, which is taxed equally like the rest of your salary.

mr_G
14-02-2006, 11:36:53
jesjes what do I know.
my boss isn't even paying me a 1st month

Tizzy
14-02-2006, 11:39:21
No wonder you punch him so often

Oerdin
14-02-2006, 11:43:53
Originally posted by mr_G
Don't laugh you!!!!

The man thinks that Drekkus is my boss or what?

I thought you and Drekkus worked at the same company.

mr_G
14-02-2006, 11:45:47
nonono that are zzzze germans.

Drekkus
14-02-2006, 13:10:39
Originally posted by Oerdin
I thought you and Drekkus worked at the same company. We both draw lines, that is true.

mr_G
14-02-2006, 13:12:04
you do?

Venom
14-02-2006, 13:14:40
Linedrawology. I got rejected from that school in college.

Drekkus
14-02-2006, 13:24:09
Originally posted by mr_G
you do?
1408. Lijntrekken of (aan) de lijn trekken, 1408

d.w.z. luieren, luilakken; vandaar een lijntrekker (eng. soldier; hd. Drückeberger), een lijnschieter of een lijnhaas 1) , een luilak, iemand die niet flink voortmaakt; die ziekte voorwendt om van het werk af te komen; ook iemand die een gesprek, een onderhoud, ongemotiveerd rekt en het daardoor vervelend maakt (Woordenschat, 643); fri. hy lûkt (trekt) oan 'e loailine of it luije lyntsje, hij luiert, eig. hij trekt niet flink aan de lijn, maar laat de lijn slap hangen (gezegd van iemand die een schip of een kar aan een lijn of een touw voorttrekt?). Vgl. het zuidndl. zijn zeel niet overtrekken (= in stukken trekken), zeer lui zijn (Antw. Idiot. 1472; Tuerlinckx, 741). Zie Köster Henke, 42: lijntrekken, rekken (syn. van boot afhouden); gezellig praten (Onze Volkstaal, II, 119); lijnschieter, suffer; Speenhoff, VI, 53: Ze zingen soms uren dezelfde mop, de mop van de prop en de lijntrekkerij; Het Volk, 29 Dec. 1913 p. 8 k. 3. Ik zal mijn beide oudsten opleiden tot flinke mannen; niet tot lijntrekkende ambtenaren; 5 Juni, 1914 p. 5. k. 2: Hij heeft vernomen dat er op de Rijksverzekeringsbank des daags geducht geluierd wordt, dat er ook met het avondwerk de lijn wordt getrokken; 25 Juni 1914 p. 8 k. 3: Door te zeggen, dat hij niet betaalt voor overwerk, laat hij het voorkomen of er op de Bank lijn getrokken wordt.... Om nu te komen met lijntrekkerij is een zonderlinge hulde aan het personeel van de Bank; Handelsblad, 7 Oct. 1914 p. 7 k. 5 (avondbl.): Wie zich schuldig maakte aan lijntrekken, werd met het platte van de bajonet op de hand getikt; Ndl. Wdb. VIII, 2345. - Wanneer men zeer langen tijd doet over een onbeduidend werk, noemt men dat een goede, lange of reuzenlijn

mr_G
14-02-2006, 13:25:24
:lol:

that's great you lijnentrekker you

MoSe
14-02-2006, 13:45:10
and do you both dare trespassers?

mr_G
14-02-2006, 13:51:17
nono only tresplassers

MoSe
14-02-2006, 13:56:17
and treesplashers?

Drekkus
14-02-2006, 13:56:24
Je suis tres plasser

Fistandantilus
14-02-2006, 14:43:11
Originally posted by MoSe
Fist, does that "extra" pay get declared in you 730 or UNICO or 101 tax module?


Of course it does. I only said that "I simply get paid twice" in July and December.


besides, if getting paid twice you get 1/7th, you admit yourself that normally you then get 1/14th, not 1/12th.


Admit? That's math :D I get paid fourteen times in a year and I get the same amount each time so that's the result :p


Anyway, to get to the gross I negotiated I have to tally the 13th in, or I'd be short of it.
So my previous statement it's true for me, for 10 thousand colleagues in my company and for all the italian TLC industrial sector workers who share the same National Frame Contract.


:clueless: I was simply nitpicking and joking. You said: "you get each month just 1/13th or 1/14th of your yearly income" and since there are only twelve months if that was true you'd get only 12/13 of your yearly each year.

So, that statement is wrong and there is at least a month in which you do not get 1/13 of your yearly income (you get more) or your company is stealing money from you.. for real! ;)

MoSe, relax :) we're saying the same thing.. and someone remember me to keep lurking until my english get better (= forever)

MoSe
14-02-2006, 14:52:34
Originally posted by Fistandantilus
there is at least a month in which you do not get 1/13 of your yearly income

:bash:

ok, we meant the same thing :shoot:

it won't be said that I can't appreciate a good and correct nitpicking! and I admit I missed the joke in the first place
:D

the idea behind it is that many workers think they get an extra in december, instead they just get belatedly what their company failed to give them before at the right time....

AS IF we'd lack the self-control and discipline to set aside by ourselves 1/13th of our income till Xmas!!!!
:eek:
;)