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JM^3
21-01-2006, 03:14:14
So last week I drove ~2k miles, so I really wasn't working all the time (although I was working or driving all the time).

tuesday-thursday I had a hard time getting started.. nothing todo

woke up today at 6 am.. ate before 7am... got some coffee at 9am (and a muffin), worked till 9pm

Jon Miller

JM^3
21-01-2006, 03:14:53
and I mean worked.. I didn't stop for anything...

JM

self biased
21-01-2006, 08:00:25
congrabulations.

HelloKitty
21-01-2006, 09:07:29
Welcome to grad school proper! Just 2-6 more years of that! Don't even think of putting in less than 80 hours a week though. you lazy fuck

KrazyHorse@home
21-01-2006, 12:24:14
Nowadays I do ~35 hours a week. I think this is enough, and my advisor seems to think I am making good progress.

I'm through with 80 hour weeks. Those fuckers nearly killed me.

JM^3
22-01-2006, 03:40:59
I did those in undergrad.. didn't really do them in grad school.

In fact, there was one semester where I think TA + class I spent less then 20 hours a week.

I think I would prefer ~35 hours a week, and so might leave physics after my PhD.

But for now it feels good to be working, instead of taking classes and goofing off.

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
22-01-2006, 06:09:12
Originally posted by JM^3
I did those in undergrad.. didn't really do them in grad school.

In fact, there was one semester where I think TA + class I spent less then 20 hours a week.

I think I would prefer ~35 hours a week, and so might leave physics after my PhD.

But for now it feels good to be working, instead of taking classes and goofing off.

Jon Miller

And the reason for the academic probation comes into focus.

If you think you are getting a PhD with only 35 per week during your last three years.... BWAHAHAHAHAhA!

KrazyHorse@home
22-01-2006, 08:02:31
You are wrong, HK.

I know a number of people who accomplished that (last 3 months were very bad, but prior to that they worked reasonable hours)

Asher
22-01-2006, 08:13:32
The University of Waterloo and University of Toronto have 3-year PhD programs...where the only day you work on your PhD stuff is Wednesdays. This is through IBM, though.

Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday you work as usual.

KrazyHorse@home
22-01-2006, 08:17:13
That's pushing things a bit. I don't know how much you could accomplish in 1 day a week...

Lazarus and the Gimp
22-01-2006, 08:53:36
Hell, it's not like real academic work though, is it?

DUCK AND COVER!

HelloKitty
22-01-2006, 09:47:04
And Johns Hopkins has an MD/PhD where you get both doctorates in 5 years.

Just because somethign is given doesn't mean it is worth shit*.


*unless you get ot put a name like Johns Hopkins on your resume in which case no one will care you are undereducated for your degree

HelloKitty
22-01-2006, 09:48:55
Originally posted by KrazyHorse@home
You are wrong, HK.

I know a number of people who accomplished that (last 3 months were very bad, but prior to that they worked reasonable hours)

They had to be working in pretty non-competative fields or labs that were fairly stagnent.

Beta1
22-01-2006, 10:29:13
UK PhD (medical/biological type science), 1-2 years of 40-50 hour weeks then another couple of years of 50-60 hours weeks.

KrazyHorse@home
22-01-2006, 11:33:42
Originally posted by HelloKitty
They had to be working in pretty non-competative fields or labs that were fairly stagnent.

Not labs at all. That, I think, is part of the problem. Experimentalists are known to do far more work than theorists...

KrazyHorse@home
22-01-2006, 11:35:44
Originally posted by HelloKitty
And Johns Hopkins has an MD/PhD where you get both doctorates in 5 years.

Just because somethign is given doesn't mean it is worth shit*.


*unless you get ot put a name like Johns Hopkins on your resume in which case no one will care you are undereducated for your degree

:D

That's my plan.

HelloKitty
22-01-2006, 20:42:33
Oh yeah, if youa re talking theoretical physicist then yes you may get by on 40 hours.

My degree is actually a PsyD, which is about as theoretical as you can get and still call it a science, and was basicly a set 40 hours a week for three years (plus writing) listening to suicidal college kids whine about how their drunk boyfriends got herpes from donkey punching thier best freind and not telling them.


Jon talks abut working on experiments all the time though.

JM^3
22-01-2006, 21:00:37
Yep, I became an experimentalist last Sept.

JM

MoSe
23-01-2006, 17:59:38
did you get any Bacon then?

HelloKitty
23-01-2006, 18:11:34
He means he experimented with the thing in your avatar.

MoSe
23-01-2006, 18:17:51
that woud be analist, not mentalist

MDA
23-01-2006, 18:34:18
yeah, 50-60 hours/week for me, almost 6 years - I could have cut a year off if I'd only worked more reasonable hours, right?

Its amazing to me now that I felt like a lazy jackass in grad school. Most people seem to work a 40 hour week and would jump at 50 if it meant extra pay. Most people around me worked 60-80 hours for 20 hours pay and free tuition. They were single (or ended up that way) and had no life outside of their research. They came to work, worked 12 hours, and took paperwork and reading materials home with them.

Wannabe martyrs to science. I'm too selfish to give up my entire life to be a good scientist. Particularly when there's a snowball's chance in hell that your life's work will have any real impact on the well-being of others.

KrazyHorse@home
23-01-2006, 21:22:04
The theorists I see working 60+ hours a week usually waste 40 of those hours. They haven't figured out that it doesn't pay to be a perfectionist all the time. You have to pick your spots. When I'm deep into an interesting problem for which there's no solution but a bit of hard work then I've been known to throw down some 14 hour days. But when you're in the doldrums and running shy of ideas it doesn't pay to just sit around and stare at papers. You can't rush a good idea.

Experimentalists are a different story, as they have to actually make stuff work.

JM^3
24-01-2006, 04:20:43
I think that theorists who write computer simulations have reasons to work 60+ hours a week.

But yeah.. you have to be thinking well, and in general thinking well is only done for 40-60 hours a week

JM

MoSe
24-01-2006, 12:19:32
Originally posted by JM^3
in general thinking well is only done for 40-60 hours a week

I agree, but I use to call it "sleeping"

MDA
24-01-2006, 12:25:45
I like how MoSe thinks!

Venom
24-01-2006, 13:47:24
:snore: