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Dyl Ulenspiegel
20-01-2006, 19:07:36
It seems tipping is essential for any service you may need in america, as every guide goes on about the 15 % or so absolutely required.

What they don't mention is the common tipping technique. Do you just say eg 23 for a bill of 20, and pay the total cash or credit card (eg austrian way), or is it expected that you pay the bill and leave the tip in exact cash (eg italian)? Or the US government way (ie fill in a homeland security form, an IRS form, a state sales tax form, and pay about 200 $ in fees)?

jsorense
20-01-2006, 19:11:33
That's right. Only its 20%.

Caligastia
20-01-2006, 19:17:05
Do you just say eg 23 for a bill of 20, and pay the total cash or credit card

Yes.

Lazarus and the Gimp
20-01-2006, 19:22:03
Commies.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
20-01-2006, 19:23:23
Who?

HelloKitty
20-01-2006, 19:28:24
Well, as someone who waited tables and bartended through college, in the US it depends on the industry.

The Gov't has nasty annoying tax laws and forms that companies need to track and if you ever claim to have made less than 8% of the sales associaed with your work the IRS Audits you for the previous 5 years (no joke).

For things like deliveries oher than food, repair work, etc you can only pay cash. This is because the companies have no official tip rules and pretend that they never make tips. That way the company gets away with no extra crap and the employees get tips, unless they are stupid enough to deposit large amounts of cash they have not "earned" and been taxed on, in which case the IRS send sthe dogs to bite your crotch.

For places that are required to report tips like food service and bars you can tip in any way the place takes money. So cash, check, or card. Iyt is always best to tip with cash because at the end of the night the person is taxxed on 100% of the tips they made on cards or checks even if a goos portion of that money goes to tip out bus staff, tray runners, etc. Then the people you tip out also get taxxed, so the IRS gets to tax the same tip twice! That brings your tip down from 15% to about 6.

When you tip cash the law requires the server to report every penny, but no one does. You just take 8% of your sales, add a couple dollars so its not exact, report that and make sure you keep a record and never deposit the money over that 8%.

I miss having cash on hand all the time. :(

Caligastia
20-01-2006, 21:49:36
Fuckin IRS...those fuckers.

HelloKitty
20-01-2006, 21:52:55
Originally posted by Caligastia
Fuckin IRS...those fuckers.

I love the IRS!!!

(shhh do you want to end up in a secret base in eastern europe?)

Dyl Ulenspiegel
20-01-2006, 21:55:51
everyone loves the taxman!

mr_G
20-01-2006, 22:13:11
jesjes i love to kick his dingding, the fascists.

Oerdin
21-01-2006, 00:21:57
The average is 15% and you don't have to tip with everything. If a bellboy lugs your over sized herman suitcase up to your room then he deserves a tip. The same goes for barstaff, waitresses in a sit down restaurant, and taxi guys but you wouldn't tip in a fastfood type place or for most other situations.

The service industry essentially works on commission so they have an insentive to provide good service and you can let them know when they've given bad service by not tipping.

HelloKitty
21-01-2006, 01:17:43
Just also remember when you lave no tip at all. Food service like bartenders and waitstaff in nearly all places get an hourly wage of one half the minumum wage from the early 90s.

All the min wage increases were heavily lobbied and food service got exemptions from all increases and even having to pay it.

So in most places waitstaff get paid 2.12 an hour (1.2 pounds or 1.74 Euros) regardless of what they make in tips. And even if they don't make a penny (for example the rare case where they wait on ahuge party who stiffs them for their shole shift) they still are required to claim they made 8% of their sales.

Plus most places make them work extra hours before and after their shifts doing prep and cleanup at that wage.

So unless the service is HORRIBLE, leave some sort of tip. If the service is fine leave 15%, if its excellent move up from there.

Oerdin
21-01-2006, 01:36:50
I don't see how that is true even if you account for inflation. They get a set wage (typically higher then minimium) but a very large chunk of their income comes from tips. Around here even the pizza guy gets $9 per hour plus tips. That's not great but it is significantly higher then the minimium wage.

Gary
21-01-2006, 02:03:58
Just shows what a disaster that industry is. Needs some unions in there to sort out a proper rate for the job. Tipping shouldn't be needed to ensure good service, bad service should result in job loss instead, like in most industries. Don't do what you're paid for, find work elsewhere. Otherwise it's just a con to state one price on the menu knowing the customer is supposed to be made to feel guilty enough to pay more.

HelloKitty
21-01-2006, 02:10:00
Oerdin, if thats true then yor area is very odd and must have passed their own laws.

I know in N Va, DC, and locally (central ILL) waitstaff and bartenders get half of Min wage when min wage was 4.25 an hour.

Maybe it is different for certain delivery jobs, but waitstaff get fucked over for actual pay. They can make a very good living through tips, but the restaurants have a very nice setup where they get to ignore labor laws.

Oerdin
21-01-2006, 03:44:38
I have never heard of any restaurant paying below minimium wage since the state labor board would shut them down. Instead they must pay at least minimium wage and any tips are just bonuses to that.

notyoueither
21-01-2006, 04:11:52
The half of minimum wage theory sounds very strange.

HelloKitty
21-01-2006, 07:38:19
From the OPM.gov site.

Its 2.13 an hour. I was a penny off.

S11-3 Special Pay Plan for Nonappropriated Fund Tipped Positions Classified as Waiter/Waitress

1.

Coverage. This special pay plan applies to nonappropriated fund (NAF) positions properly classified as Waiter or Waitress.
2.

Introduction. The following criteria and definitions govern the setting of pay for NAF employees classified as Waiter or Waitress.
1.

Wage Schedule - All NAF tipped employees will be paid from the regular FWS NAF wage schedule applicable to their duty station.
2.

"Tipped employee" means an employee who customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips.
3.

Tip offset.
1.

Tip offset is the amount of money by which an employer, in meeting the legal minimum wage standard, may reduce a tipped employee's wage in consideration of the receipt of tips. The Small Business Job Protection Act of 1996 requires a fixed dollar tip offset. A minimum cash amount of $2.13 per hour should be paid to tipped employees. If tips actually received are not sufficient, when added to $2.13, to total the minimum wage of $4.75 (as of October 1, 1996) or $5.15 (as of September 1, 1997), the employer must also pay the additional difference to the tipped employee.
2.

The tip offset for employees classified as Waiter or Waitress may be established, increased, abolished, or decreased by NAF instrumentalities on an annual basis and at such additional times as new or revised minimum wage statutes require. The determination as to when and whether a tip offset shall be applied and the amount to be applied will be made through negotiations between local NAF management and the official representatives of the local union where employees covered by this pay system are represented by an exclusive bargaining agent. In the absence of exclusive representation, the determination will be made by local NAF management. Changes in tip offset practices may be made more frequently than annually as a result of a collective bargaining agreement.
3.

Variability. Because tip income may vary substantially within a nonappropriated fund instrumentality, the amount of tip offset may vary within a single instrumentality by location, shift, or type and time of service.
4.

Applicability of State or Federal statutes. The practice of offsetting wages because of tips and the restrictions on the amount that may be offset will be governed by the provisions of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, as amended, or the statutes of the State, possession, or territory in which the Waiter or Waitress is employed, whichever provides the greater benefit to the employee. Special schedules may not be established under this section in locations where tip offset is prohibited by law.

HelloKitty
21-01-2006, 07:40:29
So, wherever you are may be a rare place that has a local law that doesn't allows people to do this.

Most of the country is 2.13.

self biased
21-01-2006, 08:18:15
it used to be $3.30 an hour here in NY. it just went up.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
21-01-2006, 11:36:29
The reduced minimum wage was new to me, too. I googled this table - California has a rather high minimum wage:

http://www.dol.gov/esa/programs/whd/state/tipped.htm

Gary
21-01-2006, 11:49:51
A minimum wage of $5.15 an hour, of which the employer can get away with only paying $2.13, claiming an expectation of $3.02 given in tips by charitable folk who can't stand the thought of how their server is being abused by their employer !

Either the States are a much cheaper place to live than here, or slavery hasn't been abolished yet. What a concept, accepted by society that folk have to live on charitable handouts, because the employer can get away with paying a pittance. Sanctioned, even encouraged, by the tax laws.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
21-01-2006, 11:54:03
A cheap place to live as long as you pay no tips.

Lazarus and the Gimp
21-01-2006, 13:39:40
That is obscene. Would you like us to ship over some decent trade unionists to sort things out?

Oerdin
21-01-2006, 14:37:19
Originally posted by HelloKitty
So, wherever you are may be a rare place that has a local law that doesn't allows people to do this.

Most of the country is 2.13.

I guess so. California must have it's own minimium wage laws. I do know that our minimium wage laws are significantly higher then the federal one though it is no longer the highest in the nation. It is set to become $7.50 at the end of this year.

Oerdin
21-01-2006, 14:46:41
Originally posted by Gary
A minimum wage of $5.15 an hour, of which the employer can get away with only paying $2.13, claiming an expectation of $3.02 given in tips by charitable folk who can't stand the thought of how their server is being abused by their employer !


To be fair few people get paid the minimium age. In fact one of the main arguments made during the recent debate to raise the minimium wage here in California (which won't take effect until next year unfortunately) was that the market had already passed the minimium wage by.

self biased
21-01-2006, 16:23:49
Originally posted by Gary
A minimum wage of $5.15 an hour, of which the employer can get away with only paying $2.13, claiming an expectation of $3.02 given in tips by charitable folk who can't stand the thought of how their server is being abused by their employer !

Either the States are a much cheaper place to live than here, or slavery hasn't been abolished yet. What a concept, accepted by society that folk have to live on charitable handouts, because the employer can get away with paying a pittance. Sanctioned, even encouraged, by the tax laws.

oh, yes. abused indeed. how i have to listen to a server that pulled in a hundred and fifty dollars on a five hour shift bitch about having to do sidework. meanwhile i get paid a little over ten dollars an hour, and i'd have to work three times longer than him or her.

totally unfair in every way.

Gary
21-01-2006, 18:40:02
That's $30 an hour, not $2.13.

And if it's made up in tips not wage, then that's the point. The employer is abusing the staff, expecting the customer to take pity and cover for the lack of wage.

HelloKitty
21-01-2006, 19:23:25
SB, you are also assuming that all servers make that much money in a shift as opposed to the minority. Maybe you are thinking of bartenders.

Can you imagine making 150 bucks at Denny's in 5 hours? Most servers that I knew who workred there left denny's with 60-70 bucks after a 10 hour shift. And thats a day or evening shift. Good luck to the overnights witht ehdrunken kids sitting for 4 hours sipping their cup of coffee.

Most servers I know make about 7 or 8$ an hour average. Good shifts and good restaurants with some skill will move you right up though.

The restaurant I worked at servers made a fortune weekends, but the cheapest thing on the dinner menu was 14 bucks (7 years ago I left).

However the lunch menu was cheap and the 3 hour shift for lunch (11-3) during the week they would make 30 bucks or so. Sat and sunday was probably 50 or so. But those people, the ones who coudn't work weekend evenings, also had to come in at 8:30 to do prepwork at 2.13 an hour. SO there is 5 and a half hours, plus the time to do cleanup after your shift, roll silverware and allt he other extra crap moving it up to 6 hours.

So 5 bucks an hour for lunch servers at a nice place, IF they got the average tips.

Now I got the nicest shifts and made far more per hour at the end than I make now, with a doctorate. But I worked for several years to get those good slots and was able to handle twice the table load with no complaints as most of the servers would.

So, how is your 10 bucks an hour that you always make for working the same hours unfair?

JM^3
22-01-2006, 03:51:03
I generally tip by credit card (unless I am paying cash)

I generally tip 20-30%, more if they were good.

JM

notyoueither
22-01-2006, 20:38:49
Originally posted by HelloKitty
So, wherever you are may be a rare place that has a local law that doesn't allows people to do this.

Most of the country is 2.13.

Canada.

MoSe
23-01-2006, 16:30:41
taxing tips????

vampyrs!

I wonder... shouldn't then all the stats about inflation rate be adjusted by that 15/20% to include the tip in the service prices?

I wonder #2
In a bar/restaurant, you buy and pay for the food, the service is indeed an "accessory" performance that you reward with a tip.
Say now you go in a general store or in a retail shop, to buy a shirt, a suitcase, a toolbox, a lawnmower, whatever.
You buy and pay for the good you purchase, the service privided by the clerk who guides and assists you is just an "accessory" performance, albeit for instance in case you buy a pair of shoes the clerk kneels at your feet and helps you fit the shoe (I find embarassing when they also tie the strings for you to avoid making you bend down).
Well, if you go by comparing the service and performance received rather than the laborer'semployment conditions, shouldn't you tip a shop clerk just as you do with a waiter?
By us we'd NEVER do that.

OTOH, I remember when I visited my cousins in Naples as a kid, I went to the movies, the ticket was like 500 liras, and the guy who was there just to rip your ticket obstructed the passage until you handed him 50 L. as tip....

mr_G
23-01-2006, 17:16:16
I think tipping the concept of tipping sucks.

mr_G
23-01-2006, 17:19:28
you get free gifts, services etc. when your prize was not high enough in the first place.

that's how i got my solarium

Japher
23-01-2006, 17:29:21
I tip based on performance

I start at 15% and will go as low as 0 and as high as 25% dependent on the service... run of the mill gets you 15%. If it is somewhere I go a lot I generally tip 20%. If they absolutely suck they get0% and if they give me buttered toast instead of dry they get 10%.

MoSe
23-01-2006, 17:30:40
Another case.

(if you're not intersted in colour details, jump to the bold statement :) at the end)

In Italian ad some european casinos, the croupiers more or less blatantly invite and/or beg you for a tip everytime you win something.
In roulette, this is customary only with an "en plein" bet, you bet on a single number which pays 35 to 1. Common practice is to tip 1 of those 35, which makes it a ~3%tip. For easier bets with lower yield, you're not expect to tip, unless the total amount is relevant.
For instance, you bet 1 chip on a number, win 35, tip 1.
You bet two "cheval" (split bet) on the same number, 1 piece each, you win 34, if you don't tip nobody frowns.
You bet the 4 splits of that number, each with 3 pieces (12 overall), you win 204, if you want you might tip 3-5 chips.

On card games you have less standardised tips.
We have Black Jack, Caribbean Poker (everyone against the dealer), Punto-Banco, Stud or Texas Poker, Chemin de Fer, etc.
In BJ, you're not expected to tip on even bets. But on a blackJack which pays 1.5, especially at the table minimum the dealer sometimes pays you with smaller chips to allow you tip a half to the extra 0.5, that is 0.25 out of 1.5, an outrageous 17% (OTOH BJ if well-played is the game with the smallest house margin). I only tip every other such bets, or the minimum on higher bets, never more than 8% at BJ.
At Caribbean Poker, they rarely dare to invite a tip on a two pairs win (pays 2 to 1), but they frown if you don't on a 3-of-a-kind paying 3 to 1. OTOH in such case if the ante is 1 chip, the bet is 2, the win is 1+2*3=7, and they pay the ante with two half-value chips as a hint to give them one; that would be 0.5 out of 7, ~7% tip, but on a win with a meager 2.3 yield (considering the ante) and only 2% chance to occur...

In the other card games the house keeps a fixed % of your bet (where you play against the dealer like Punto-Banco) or of the Pot where you play against the others, so no tip is expected.

____
All this excursus was to get to this point:
In the european casinos I visited, the tips are still related to your winnings, almost as a common practice code. Even if you lose 20 bets and win one, they expect the customary tip on that one.

I happened to read instead on a LV casino site/forum an ex-dealer PoV:
the dealer does not hand you fortune nor misfortune personally, he/she just oversees and serves you, not much differently than a waiter.
This guy claimed the you should tip the dealer regularly for a resonable amount, *regardless* of your playing fortunes. The dealer deserves a tip because, he's kind, precise, correct, swift but not pressing you atthe same time, makes the game flow smoothly and enjoyably.
He wrote:
"After all in a restaurant you tip the waiter for the service, not for the food.
If you receive top class service but the food stinks and it's disgusting, that's the cook's fault, you should nevertheless tip the waiter a very good %.
Why should you penalise a good waiter for something it's not his fault?"

Well, if you had the patience to read this far, what do you think about that?
I'm interested in the opinion of those who have tipping embedded in their culture and habits.

MoSe
23-01-2006, 17:35:36
Originally posted by Japher
I tip based on performance
Yes, but do you also tip a very helpful shop clerk, who assists you in choosing the right pair of shoes or a stereo best fitting your needs?

Japher
23-01-2006, 17:38:48
No. Around here most people in sales get paid commision. So, me buying from them instead of another clerk helps them just as much.

As for gambling. When I gamble I generally play $10 blackjack hands. I pocket a $10 chip. I play until I'm either a) broke, at which point I tip the dealer $10 or b) too drunk to play any more at which time I tip 10% or $10, which ever is higher.

JM^3
23-01-2006, 17:43:33
the max you go is 25%? that is generally my minimum for bartenders

to be honest, although I have tipped bartenders ~100% I don't think I have generally gotten better drinks

(and I am nto including the time I accidently tipped 400% (I got mixed up and tipped 20 on a 5 dollar whiskey))

JM
(I was sorta drunk at the time)

MoSe
23-01-2006, 17:44:43
yeah Japher, in a way I also agree, thats more sensible than the per-win habits here. (although you "should" never drink when you gamble! yeah right :D)

back to the restaurant comparison, what do you do if the service is very good but the food stinks?

Japher
23-01-2006, 17:45:55
JM, bartenders are different.

I don't tip based on the food quality, tipping is for the service.

MoSe
23-01-2006, 17:46:58
Originally posted by JM^3
I accidently tipped 400% (I got mixed up and tipped 20 on a 5 dollar whiskey)
JM
(I was sorta drunk at the time)

:lol:
priceless!!!

MoSe
23-01-2006, 17:51:03
Originally posted by Japher
I don't tip based on the food quality, tipping is for the service.
yeah, that would be ideal, another point where we are culturally behind, it would be hard to find anyone here willing to tip after having gotten bad food, regardless of service

Japher
23-01-2006, 17:57:36
my wife was a waitress at a bar for 4 years.

HelloKitty
23-01-2006, 18:06:45
Originally posted by MoSe
In the other card games the house keeps a fixed % of your bet (where you play against the dealer like Punto-Banco) or of the Pot where you play against the others, so no tip is expected.

Heh. Leave it to the Italians to be the source of the Mafia's private "executive" game ruless over here.

MDA
23-01-2006, 18:08:14
And that's why waiter/waitress jobs at the Denny's/Eat'n Park after the bars have last call isn't all bad. Drunk people can give ridiculous tips, when they remember to do so.

HelloKitty
23-01-2006, 18:10:21
Originally posted by MoSe
yeah Japher, in a way I also agree, thats more sensible than the per-win habits here. (although you "should" never drink when you gamble! yeah right :D)

back to the restaurant comparison, what do you do if the service is very good but the food stinks?

If the food is that bad complain. Many places will comp your meal to try to convince you to come and try again. Here they cannot legally comp the alcohol which is where they make their money anyway.

Then you leave a good waitress 50% of what the bill woud have been and end up saving money!

Dyl Ulenspiegel
23-01-2006, 18:14:32
Originally posted by HelloKitty
Here they cannot legally comp the alcohol

What kind of rule is that?

HelloKitty
23-01-2006, 18:20:23
The kind of rule that a 100% secular fundamentalist christian country would have.

Since it is nationwide it is probably a relic of prohibition or one of those stupid laws that MADD attached to the road budgets. Some small cities in the US are still completey dry. Many counties are dry Sundays.

Did you know if any state lowers the drinking age to the age of consent they lose all federal funding to maintain federal highways? Good job MADD! That sure stopped drunk driving!

MoSe
23-01-2006, 18:22:36
Interesting that you have laws against drunk-driving but not drunk-gambling or drunk-tipping!
;)

Dyl Ulenspiegel
23-01-2006, 18:24:20
what about drunk-fucking?

Japher
23-01-2006, 18:25:36
it's a new olympic sport!

HelloKitty
23-01-2006, 18:26:58
Technically being drunk is illegal in public. the police can haul you in if they want and you have been drinking at all. They can toss you in acell overnight with pretty much no charge and no due process. They don't enforce it much, mainly for the really drunk people and when black people get uppity and do things like walk down the street and make eye contact witht eh white women.

Japher
23-01-2006, 18:30:44
stupid drunk black dudes

seriously, don't they know if the smoked crack they wouldn't get so drunk?!

HelloKitty
23-01-2006, 18:32:59
own goal. All blacks in america are on crack.

Japher
23-01-2006, 18:34:23
I wonder if the tip their dealer? Not tip off to the police, just like a little something extra

MDA
23-01-2006, 18:37:53
incidentally, Wash. DC councilman and former mayor Marion Barry has tested positive again for cocaine... dumbass

I'm sure he was framed... again.

HelloKitty
23-01-2006, 18:41:34
The bitch set him up!

Oerdin
24-01-2006, 00:16:24
No doubt it was the same people who set up OJ.

Diss
24-01-2006, 04:46:09
Originally posted by jsorense
That's right. Only its 20%.

for me it's 20% for good service. 10% for bad service. 15% all other times.

Diss
24-01-2006, 04:49:20
by the way, if any of you come to vegas, be prepared to tip (the casino industry types call them tokes).

Nearly everyone gets a tip in Vegas. Even me, and I don't even deal with the customers directly. It greases the wheels. My fellow employees/coworkers who tip me get better service than those who don't. That's just the way things work. Who am I to change the rules? :D

Diss
24-01-2006, 06:49:16
Originally posted by HelloKitty
Well, as someone who waited tables and bartended through college, in the US it depends on the industry.

The Gov't has nasty annoying tax laws and forms that companies need to track and if you ever claim to have made less than 8% of the sales associaed with your work the IRS Audits you for the previous 5 years (no joke).

For things like deliveries oher than food, repair work, etc you can only pay cash. This is because the companies have no official tip rules and pretend that they never make tips. That way the company gets away with no extra crap and the employees get tips, unless they are stupid enough to deposit large amounts of cash they have not "earned" and been taxed on, in which case the IRS send sthe dogs to bite your crotch.

For places that are required to report tips like food service and bars you can tip in any way the place takes money. So cash, check, or card. Iyt is always best to tip with cash because at the end of the night the person is taxxed on 100% of the tips they made on cards or checks even if a goos portion of that money goes to tip out bus staff, tray runners, etc. Then the people you tip out also get taxxed, so the IRS gets to tax the same tip twice! That brings your tip down from 15% to about 6.

When you tip cash the law requires the server to report every penny, but no one does. You just take 8% of your sales, add a couple dollars so its not exact, report that and make sure you keep a record and never deposit the money over that 8%.

I miss having cash on hand all the time. :(

I'm kind of concerned. What kind of money deposited in banks do you think the goverment would notice? I deposit my tips all the time. As I have no life, and have nothing to spend my cash on (plus I use credit card to pay for everything). I was under the impression as long as you didn't make deposits over $10,000 the banks did not report it to the FBI. And as I mentioned in the post above, I do make tips even though I don't deal with customers. But the job title I put on my tax form is not the type of job title that the IRS would associate with a tip income. And it is true, I do not pay taxes on my tip income :D. (Diss wondering if he should reveal this information in an internet forum) I think it's complete bullshit. The people who gave me this money already paid taxes on this same money. The same money is being taxed twice!! How is that fair?

Koshko
24-01-2006, 06:53:08
Back when I worked as a busser in a restraunt, I got paid a flat $4 an hour + 1% of sales that was tipped out by the servers ansd split among the bussers based on hours worked.

Koshko
24-01-2006, 06:53:46
PS I just figure out 15% and then round up to the next dollar most of the time.

Diss
24-01-2006, 06:56:14
Originally posted by HelloKitty
Oerdin, if thats true then yor area is very odd and must have passed their own laws.

I know in N Va, DC, and locally (central ILL) waitstaff and bartenders get half of Min wage when min wage was 4.25 an hour.

Maybe it is different for certain delivery jobs, but waitstaff get fucked over for actual pay. They can make a very good living through tips, but the restaurants have a very nice setup where they get to ignore labor laws.

In Las Vegas everyone gets minimum wage, no matter what. That's why it's called minumum wage. :). And yes this includes dealers and bartenders. The people who get the most tips. The only exception is exotic dancers who don't get paid at all, they actually have to pay the strip club for the opportunity to dance there.

Diss
24-01-2006, 07:03:32
Originally posted by HelloKitty
The kind of rule that a 100% secular fundamentalist christian country would have.

Since it is nationwide it is probably a relic of prohibition or one of those stupid laws that MADD attached to the road budgets. Some small cities in the US are still completey dry. Many counties are dry Sundays.

Did you know if any state lowers the drinking age to the age of consent they lose all federal funding to maintain federal highways? Good job MADD! That sure stopped drunk driving!

we comp alcohol all the time. :). We wouldn't be in business if we didn't.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-01-2006, 08:05:41
Seems Las Vegas is the only normal place over there.

HelloKitty
24-01-2006, 23:10:35
Yeah, Vegas has all its own laws.

Indian Casinos can also comp alcohol.

As for depositing your tips, the bank won't report you unless its large amounts and then only because of money laundering.

The reason you don't deposit it is the IRS can request that info from your bank, even without an audit as a spot check on your taxes (the tax version of a dragnet, which is illegal except for the IRS and now homeland security).

If they see lots of money in that doesn't match your reported tips, good luck even considering defending yourself. The good news is jail time is not as common for tax fraud and evasion anymore. The IRS generally audits you for 5 years previous of tipped income work.

Tipped employees are a magnet for the IRS. If they audit one person workign for a restaurant and find problems, they smack the company down and check the banks of all the people who work there.

Thats one of the reasons many places are going to shared tips, where all servers put all their tips together and the company adds your share based on hours to your check.

When I first started waiting they were pretty lax, and the way they determined your minimum tips to declare was based on your hours. If you worked 1% of the total server/bartender hours you obviously should be accountable for 1% of the sales.

Then the IRS audited all our asses because some of us were not clocking in so our hours were pretty damn low :)

Following that we had to fill out tax form shit every night that the company kept on record.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
25-01-2006, 11:13:47
Originally posted by HelloKitty
Following that we had to fill out tax form shit every night that the company kept on record.

:lol:

Rodgers
25-01-2006, 13:04:14
Tipping a barman is crap as most of the time they are simply opening a bottle of beer for you - how the hell do you do that "badly" or "brilliantly"?

MoSe
25-01-2006, 13:06:25
it's not the technical performance, it's their attitude towards you

Funko
25-01-2006, 13:08:26
Good bar people know what the regulars want and can have it ready before you get to the bar, serve people in the order they arrive at the bar, including not ignoring women and short people.

But yes, tipping bar staff is totally alien to most brits.

Rodgers
25-01-2006, 13:22:40
Originally posted by MoSe
it's not the technical performance, it's their attitude towards you


I have to bribe someone to be civil towards me? Blimey!

Rodgers
25-01-2006, 13:24:07
Originally posted by Funko
Good bar people know what the regulars want and can have it ready before you get to the bar, serve people in the order they arrive at the bar, including not ignoring women and short people.

But yes, tipping bar staff is totally alien to most brits.

Yeah, perhaps but I can only imagine that no matter what you tip the woman with her knockers on show is the most likely to get served first. If (male) bar staff over there are anything like here.

MDA
25-01-2006, 13:31:28
and the female bartender with her knockers on show gets the best tips!

Rodgers
25-01-2006, 13:38:14
Yep. What union could argue against that!

mr_G
25-01-2006, 13:40:00
the union of too-small-breasted women?

mr_G
25-01-2006, 13:42:43
http://www.travelsense.org/tips/images/card-tipping.jpg

MoSe
25-01-2006, 14:08:16
do you advise me to print and cut that, to reverse the screen, or to stand on my head, to read the lower part?

Gary
25-01-2006, 14:22:07
Generally speaking, tips are seldom expected but always appreciated. :lol:

notyoueither
26-01-2006, 06:56:21
Originally posted by Rodgers
I have to bribe someone to be civil towards me? Blimey!

No. You tip them because that is how they get paid for doing the job of serving tightwad bints like you.

Funko
26-01-2006, 09:16:39
Yeah, but here they get paid minimum wage at least (often more) which is 5.05 ~ $9.

They don't have to make up their wages from $2.12 in tips.

So the culture is different.

My two brothers work in a bar and they are not allowed to accept tips even if people wanted to give them.

Rodgers
26-01-2006, 09:21:20
Whenever I've been in America i've always tipped as I dont want to look rude, but I still think it's a rubbish system.

Funko
26-01-2006, 09:22:55
Yep.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
26-01-2006, 09:56:34
Waiters make about 7 /hour here, and we usually tip about 5 %, maximum 10 %.

mr_G
26-01-2006, 10:33:27
waiters make 7 /hour just for waiting?

cool, damn shame i am not that good at waiting.

mr_G
26-01-2006, 10:38:21
tipping my nose is one of my favorite things to dooo di dooo

Dyl Ulenspiegel
26-01-2006, 10:39:48
I hate waiting.

mr_G
26-01-2006, 10:52:38
I hate discrimination and negros!!!

Dyl Ulenspiegel
26-01-2006, 11:03:58
I hate dutch architects and good taste!

mr_G
26-01-2006, 11:07:52
I :love: Dyl.

MoSe
26-01-2006, 12:27:24
Originally posted by notyoueither
No. You tip them because that is how they get paid for doing the job of serving tightwad bints like you.

Knowing only what has been posted above (by HK et al.), I'd say that is FALSE.

Even by you, they get paid half of minimum wage anyway, and the employer MUST integrate the missing part to get to that minimum IF they declare to IRS less than that in tips.

Did I misread something?

______

Anyway, I basically agree with the brits.

IF a tip system is part of the place culture, then it's sensible to reward a good service, regardless of the quality of the godds delivered (like I said to Japher), as the system puts the servant in a position where he/she must rely on tips for the best part of his/her income.

But that's a relic of social archeology resurfaced thanks to unfettered rampant capitalism.
A country like Britain where employees are NOT allowed to accept tips is way way superior culturally. IMHO :cute:

HelloKitty
26-01-2006, 16:24:38
Originally posted by MoSe
Knowing only what has been posted above (by HK et al.), I'd say that is FALSE.

Even by you, they get paid half of minimum wage anyway, and the employer MUST integrate the missing part to get to that minimum IF they declare to IRS less than that in tips.

Did I misread something?

______

The law says they have to do that, but that never happens and most companies don't have any way to track and adjust the pay.

The company I worke, the one Erin worked for, Outback, Lonestar, Red lobster, Chilis, Don Pabloas, the macaroni grill, and about 10 others I can rattle off that I know servers won't even let you declare less than 8% when you had a bad night. If you turn in a form with less than 8% declared, the computer automatically raises it to 8%.

In order to get that money you would need to go to court, pay for a lawyer out of your pocket, and somehow prove that you made less. Good luck with that, and that would draw all knds of IRS attention to you not to mention the legal bills.

Thats why on certain holidays where people don't eat out many restaurants have a full staff on anyway. 2.12 an hour cleaning crew!

Lurker the Second
26-01-2006, 17:01:47
I was tipping bartenders like crazy in London. I want to be loved the world over.

Funko
26-01-2006, 17:05:22
Bloody rich americans, come over here with your nylons and candy and fuck our women. :cry:

King_Ghidra
26-01-2006, 17:13:34
lurker in nylons

*shiver*

Tizzy
26-01-2006, 17:19:58
Hmm, I was getting quite interested in the idea of rich men with candy until you said that

Venom
26-01-2006, 17:23:04
I tip heavy because I'm a big time pimp.

Lurker the Second
26-01-2006, 17:23:46
got me shivering, too, you bastard.

Funko
26-01-2006, 17:26:36
Well put something else on! Just nylons aren't going to keep you warm in winter. :rolleyes:

Lurker the Second
26-01-2006, 17:34:13
It's like 75 degrees here today.

mr_G
26-01-2006, 18:25:43
hmmmmm Lurker in nylons AND stiff nipples.....rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Diss
26-01-2006, 18:37:51
Originally posted by MDA
and the female bartender with her knockers on show gets the best tips!

yep, my city is moving towards having mostly female bartenders at most places (though the old fashioned places still use men). It's great because of the way the bars are set up they have to bend over the coolers to hand you your drink. Great for looking down their shirt.

Gary
26-01-2006, 19:17:23
Originally posted by MoSe
A country like Britain where employees are NOT allowed to accept tips is way way superior culturally. IMHO :cute: Oh that won't be a legal restriction, just a condition put on by the employer. Restaurant waiting staff won't generally say no :)

Funko
27-01-2006, 09:07:21
Yeah, it's just a condition in their bar because it's council run and they have some policy about tips.