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JM^3
22-12-2005, 17:34:54
I bombed my final. That and a terrible final report are enough to make me deserve a C. Which is a failure in grad school, and will result in my being kicked out of the program. I asked the professor if anything can be arranged.

Jon Miller

Funko
22-12-2005, 17:35:17
:(

paiktis22
22-12-2005, 17:38:32
Something must be arranged. Bother your prof repeadetly don't take no for an answer etc

Good luck!

mr.G
22-12-2005, 17:43:57
go for it Jon, must do something about it.
go

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-12-2005, 18:50:25
Sorry to hear that Jon.

MOBIUS
22-12-2005, 19:08:59
Sorry to hear that pal, if it's any consolation my dissertation is looking very shakey at the moment too...:(

At the moment I have 100%, of 15% - but those are the easy bits...;)

JM^3
22-12-2005, 19:24:30
The thing is, I had just gotten everything worked out. I found an advisor, I got OKed to remain in graduate school despite having a C, I was taking the last course requirement..

Then I bomb the test/do poorly on the final project.

Jon Miller

devilmunchkin
22-12-2005, 21:06:45
i'm sure that if your profs see that you're really trying (and it sounds like you are), then something can be arranged. just keep trying. *comfort*

Venom
22-12-2005, 22:08:57
If all else fails, kill the shit out of everyone standing in your way.

MOBIUS
22-12-2005, 22:13:09
Hi,

This is Mrs MOBIUS. I've hijacked the computer to SCREAM for help. Gwilym is trying to burn down the flat (again) This time making popcorn!

Please sent the fire department

Lazarus and the Gimp
22-12-2005, 22:14:28
If the worst-case scenario happens, there are about a billion things that are worse than leaving education and getting a job.

Lazarus and the Gimp
22-12-2005, 22:15:35
Originally posted by MOBIUS
Hi,

This is Mrs MOBIUS. I've hijacked the computer to SCREAM for help. Gwilym is trying to burn down the flat (again) This time making popcorn!

Please sent the fire department

Jesus Christ. Water + Fire = Out. Easy-peasy.

mr.G
22-12-2005, 22:36:13
probably was the left snail, that's the clumsy one, gwyl can't help it.

MOBIUS
23-12-2005, 00:08:54
Jeez, all I did was forget to turn the electric conductor thingy on the stove top off and torched the oil in the pot...:rolleyes:

It was only a little bit of smoke...:cute:

Tizzy
23-12-2005, 00:56:43
Disconnect the batteries in the fire alarm (Y)

The Mad Monk
23-12-2005, 01:42:11
Originally posted by MOBIUS
Jeez, all I did was forget to turn the electric conductor thingy on the stove top off and torched the oil in the pot...:rolleyes:

It was only a little bit of smoke...:cute:

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Jesus Christ. Water + Fire = Out. Easy-peasy.

I see Laz still has the touch.

MOBIUS
23-12-2005, 01:52:29
Originally posted by Tizzy
Disconnect the batteries in the fire alarm (Y)

No really, it was such a small amount of smoke that it didn't even trigger the fire alarms...:rolleyes:

I set those off the other day when I slightly burned the parsnips...:cute:

JM^3
23-12-2005, 11:02:42
Just to be clear about my situation. I got a C in Spring of 2003. Since that time I have been on academic probation (but other then that my average is a B, which is required by the graduate school). I stuggled to find an advisor for quite some time (I switched areas of interest/etc), then found one at the beginning of this last semester. However, he wanted/wants me to work in a distant labratory. Also, this last semester the University rules changed on academic probation. People would now be kicked out at the end of the semester if the grades were not fixed. I petitioned the University, saying that I just needed a little bit more time, that my grades would be fixed at the end of spring 2006. I can take up to 3 credits of special topics:research, and get an A in that and that would give me a B average. However, if I get the 4 credits of C this semester (For research electronics), I won't be able to take enough research credits next semester to fix my grade. Which means I would not be able to go down to the lab, and so would lose my advisor. Now it might be possible to get a C this semester, then quit with this advisor and work my ass off and get an A in two classes next semester and find a new advisor. However, the Physics department requires a certain ammount of advancement to stay in the program, and I was already pushing being too slow finding an advisor.

Jon Miller

Lazarus and the Gimp
23-12-2005, 12:59:45
This all sounds a bit Byzantine to me.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
23-12-2005, 13:19:46
This all sounds a bit Businessplan to me.

JM^3
23-12-2005, 13:20:54
err, it is because I wrote more then one sentence, right?

jM

HelloKitty
23-12-2005, 14:31:55
There may be a roundabout way to cheat if the advisor really wants you. This can work at some Unis, but not all.

Withdraw from the program and switch to a masters in physics, most likely the req is a 2.5 or lower for a masters. Postpone graduation until the end of Summer 2006.

In Spring take a full load and work your ass off. If you get the grades you need you can petition to re-enter the PhD program, because lets be honest, if you have a faculty member willing to support your work you are getting in.

If you don't improve your grades take the masters and go work in industry and in the 3 years it would have taken you to finish your doctorate you will have gotten raises putting you on par with starting doctorial pay, plus you will be more in demand with just a masters.

JM^3
23-12-2005, 15:40:03
unfortuntely the req for masters is also 3.0

but I might go for that (I need to do very little, besides grades, to get one) next semester

JM

JM^3
23-12-2005, 15:40:40
If this class had gone ok, I would have been ~1.5 years away from a PHD

(.75 for research, .75 for dissertation)

JM

JM^3
23-12-2005, 15:44:43
Well, it is currently in. I got a C in Research Electronics.

Jon Miller

JM^3
23-12-2005, 16:16:56
I don't know what to do now..

do I start collecting places to apply to?

JM

Venom
23-12-2005, 16:18:19
Laz attempting to put out an oil or grease fire...:lol:

paiktis22
23-12-2005, 16:21:50
as a precaution advice never try to put out a pan with olive oil that has caught fire using water. it does a big explosion and a column of fire up to the ceiling. it's very spectacular especially if you don't expect it.

JM^3
23-12-2005, 16:31:57
On the front of my paper: (I am assuming they are the major issues with my paper)

1 Essential to be more careful with grammar and spelling

2 Undefined Terms

3 Reasons for results not clear

4 conclusions of questoinable usefulness

5 presentation disorganized

3 & 4 are both basically that he didn't like my project

2 is I thought I used standard discription (leading edge, trailing edge, etc), but it apparently isn't... (or is different for different people)

1 and 5 are just my fuck up

I got a 7.1/12 (every other paper I saw was 11/12 or better but one)

Jon Miller

Lurker the Second
23-12-2005, 16:52:10
Jon: I think you should consider talking to the professor about the paper, explain your situation, and ask whether you can have another crack at revising it.

JM^3
23-12-2005, 17:17:09
I have...

JM

JM^3
23-12-2005, 19:12:52
Fixing the report that I sent to my advisor (it is of the research I did this last semester)

My advisor is not known for being lax.. so I need to figure out how to get figures in the tex

JM

Sir Penguin
23-12-2005, 22:45:53
Post it here if you need some proofreading.

SP

DaShi
23-12-2005, 23:34:15
I think you should join the Discovery Institute. Then you can just make up your results and pass them off as a new field of science.

Other than that, I suggest you consider your options and no matter what, really crack down and apply some discipline to yourself. If getting that degree is what you really want, you may need to make some sacrifices to do it. This may mean less time for games, less drinking, more studying, more time in the lab, and more time sleeping with your professors.

Good Luck with it all!

JM^3
23-12-2005, 23:53:28
my goal, my entire life, has been to be a scientist

but I have no wish, and no heart to do classes

I always think what is the least I can get by with, I am just tired of taking them (I have been taking them for years, I have taken many very hard ones, I have taken many at times, etc)

this would often be fine, unfortunately it has turned out that I have a few more Cs then As, and that is really important to some people (most especially the graduate school)

I have cut back on my drinking, and right now never drink when I have work that I would otherwise be doing

I also don't play games except when I am bored (of doing work)

but that doesn't change the fact.. I am tired, very tired of classes

and I can't force myself to do it anymore

but I think now that I have no more options.. that it is done (probably a 80% chance of that)

Jon Miller

Cruddy
24-12-2005, 00:57:28
What sort of scientist do you want to be?

Because if that's what you really want, nothing can stop you.

This is a setback. How you get around it, or whether you have to swallow it and find another path, isn't my expertise.

HKs advice sounds pretty good to me on that score.

But my point is, this is a setback - and maybe an important wakeup call.

YOU'VE GOT TO SIT CLASS SO PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU'RE TRYING.

Stop trying to grab all the time you can for yourself. That's a kid thing, not a grown up thing.

KH of the North
24-12-2005, 04:43:50
Originally posted by JM^3
On the front of my paper: (I am assuming they are the major issues with my paper)

1 Essential to be more careful with grammar and spelling


I'm sorry for your troubles, but this is funny.

:lol:

:(

JM^3
24-12-2005, 10:01:02
Originally posted by Cruddy
What sort of scientist do you want to be?

Because if that's what you really want, nothing can stop you.

This is a setback. How you get around it, or whether you have to swallow it and find another path, isn't my expertise.

HKs advice sounds pretty good to me on that score.

But my point is, this is a setback - and maybe an important wakeup call.

YOU'VE GOT TO SIT CLASS SO PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU'RE TRYING.

Stop trying to grab all the time you can for yourself. That's a kid thing, not a grown up thing.

I go to class, I am fine with that. And I spent ~30 hours a week for class this last semester (I did try..). I apparently just lost focus at the end, and did poor work.

JM

JM^3
24-12-2005, 10:16:32
Basically I told you how I feel right now in the above post. But I did try this last semester in Research Electronics, and I did have a decent grade until 12/13/05 when I turned in that crappy final project, and 12/19/05 when I bombed the final test. And I spent enough hours on those two things. It is either that I an just not good enough, or that I lost focus and did some poor work.

Jon Miller

Oerdin
24-12-2005, 12:01:47
Maybe you can at least get a master's degree as a consolation prize. That would still be very useful in industry even if it wouldn't get you into academia. If you are dead set on a PHD then speak to your professor about revising the paper or worse case start looking into another program.

JM^3
24-12-2005, 12:57:29
Oh, and I don't beleive that I am just not good enough...

JM

stealth biased
24-12-2005, 17:33:08
summary?

HelloKitty
25-12-2005, 01:12:09
In many fields of physics and chem a masters is better in industry than a doctorate. NOT in theoretical physics though. Don't know what Jon is doing.

JM^3
25-12-2005, 01:54:39
1st year standard classes

2nd year started (did classes for) particle theory

3rd year started (did classes/reading for) condensed matter theory

4th year (halfway through) started (did some experimental work for) nuclear experiment (class done was experimental (a requirement at the university of maryland))

JM

JM^3
25-12-2005, 01:56:05
so I have a bunch of theory classes (and general classes)

and a practical/experimental class

and some (1 semester) of experimental research (mostly programming)

JM

DaShi
25-12-2005, 05:35:47
You could go to Asia to work. I know a physicist from Sweden working in lasers in Hangzhou and before Japan, and he loves it.

However, I don't suggest taking any offers to have your name be put on S. Korean papers.

Oerdin
25-12-2005, 06:40:17
Why is that?

JM^3
25-12-2005, 13:48:04
Originally posted by Cruddy


YOU'VE GOT TO SIT CLASS SO PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU'RE TRYING.


To put it another way, ignoring beaucratic issues (and professors who wouldn't talk to me) my grades were fine previous to last semester.

It is true that I had gotten 2 Cs, and only 1 A (previous to this last semester). But the C I got in Spring of 2003 I got because I was depressed and then my Dad died (I should have gotten that put as Incomplete, but I didn't think to do it). The C I got in Fall of 2004, I guess looked sort of bad, I just didn't drop the class when I should have. But I can (could have) claim that that class is canceled out by the A I got. All other classes (including some difficult ones) I got Bs in.

So classes weren't incredibly in my way until now. And I did try at that class I just got a C in (which is evidenced by having a B in it until the last week of Dec (school wise)).

And now I (most likely) don't have any opportunity to take another class, and show differently.

Jon Miller
(I have also taken more classes then most graduate students)

HelloKitty
26-12-2005, 08:12:31
Was your depression documented? Were you in therapy and/or taking medication and under a doctor's care?

If so you can go to the Dean of your college and discuss your options. In medical cases they are very accommodating.

JM^3
26-12-2005, 13:01:39
nope, not documented

I just did want to do amything but lay in my bed...

JM

HelloKitty
26-12-2005, 15:45:20
All I can recommend is talking to your dean and mental health services at your campus health center. Without documentation everything is harder to do though.

JM^3
26-12-2005, 16:13:05
it was going on 3 years ago

I don't think anything can be done (official wise)

JM

HelloKitty
26-12-2005, 21:48:46
You may be suprised, but its up to you.

Lefty Scaevola
28-12-2005, 19:44:32
Originally posted by The Mad Monk
I see Laz still has the touch. Yeah reight. Tossing water onto flaming lighter-than-water oil = splattered and still flaming oil.

JM^3
29-12-2005, 18:34:24
well

I resent the report, it isn't as nice as the guy who edited it wanted it to be, but I was using the report to procrastinate and not talk to my advisor

all the major problems are fixed though (I think), just some professionalism issues and structure issues

with it I told my advisor that I got a C (before I just told him that I did much poorer on the test and project then anticipated)

Jon Miller

Oerdin
29-12-2005, 20:48:16
Does it mean you will be leaving the PHD program?

JM^3
29-12-2005, 20:49:42
might be

JM

JM^3
29-12-2005, 20:50:47
I have been without financial support twice

and have had other problems..

I am tired of it

I look at other people, and I am good enough...

but I tried to do theory initially, and now am old and tired

JM

Dyl Ulenspiegel
29-12-2005, 20:55:26
"The world has become old, and no present writer can aspire to the glory of the ancients" (Continued Chronicle of Fredegar, about 700 AD)

JM^3
29-12-2005, 20:56:34
times without support

last january.. (I ended up getting paid for it) I was very last on the list to get a TA

last summer.. (I didn't get paid) I was following a tip to get employed at the start of the summer, that fell through, then I spent the rest of the summer looking for an advisor (and I talked to pretty much everyone in the fields of Condensed Matter, Particles, Nuclear, and related physics)

JM

JM^3
29-12-2005, 21:00:28
When I was looking for an advisor, I talked to something like half the department (and we have over 70 faculty members)

then there are people doing stuff I am not as interested in (like Plasma or Chaos), and groups that are fullish...

I know that there is probably some openings that have come up in groups that I talked to last summer now.. but I really don't feel like looking again, I really really don't feel like not getting paid again (and I don't see someone taking me until my grades are fixed if my current advisor won't..)

JM

JM^3
29-12-2005, 21:48:27
if anyone can't tell, I am a bit down abotu the whole thing

JM

The Mad Monk
30-12-2005, 03:01:41
:(

Life goes on, it just might not be what you planned.

JM^3
30-12-2005, 04:13:47
it's a little better now

I will remain doing what I Am doing for next semester

I might get kicked out afte rthat...

but I will deal with that when the time cmes

JM

MDA
30-12-2005, 12:34:19
Originally posted by Oerdin
Why is that?

The stem cell debacle. Its been in the news.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4532128.stm

TV4Fun
01-01-2006, 09:19:33
People are way too protective of stem cells/