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The Norks
21-11-2005, 16:49:10
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4454486.stm

"Obscene acts with a child" can lead to 12 years imprisonment while child rape carries the maximum penalty of death before a firing squad.

A police officer in Vung Tua said: "Having sex with a 12-year-old girl, regardless of whether he had her consent, is still considered child rape under Vietnamese law."

Lets hope they televise it!

Funko
21-11-2005, 16:51:03
The rape?

King_Ghidra
21-11-2005, 17:05:47
funko...

Nav
21-11-2005, 17:22:00
what a sad, sad, man...

Scabrous Birdseed
21-11-2005, 19:44:09
funko?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
21-11-2005, 20:46:50
funko

Japher
21-11-2005, 20:51:09
funko!

Gary
21-11-2005, 20:59:13
Death would surely be a maxiimum sentence (to state the obvious :)) so I'd assume he might avoid that as long as he wasn't forcing himself upon his victims.

But it's amazing how far that guy has fallen. Assuming guilt for the sake or the discussion, you'd have thought anyone would have sense enough to avoid underage girls after he had his 2 month warning. If he's that unable to control, he needs medical intervention.

Nills Lagerbaak
22-11-2005, 09:51:11
Do you wanna kiddie gang bang? Gang bang? Gang bang?

maroule
22-11-2005, 10:29:25
"I thought she was British!"



(Due to budget restrictions, this will be my one joke of the day)

mr.G
22-11-2005, 10:32:38
I hope they make a rock opera out of this.

The Norks
22-11-2005, 14:09:02
I suppose when you're born with a name that's popular slang for a fudgetunnel, its inevitable really. Oh the humanity!

Drekkus
22-11-2005, 14:16:29
http://tinypic.com/b5jz3k.jpg

mr.G
22-11-2005, 14:18:27
:lol:

King_Ghidra
22-11-2005, 14:22:15
you just had that lying around on your harddrive?

Drekkus
22-11-2005, 14:23:22
yes. Just to annoy Gary.

mr.G
22-11-2005, 14:24:37
humorless gary?
is he related to gary glitter?

Drekkus
22-11-2005, 14:25:10
:lol: Now the monkey comes out of the sleeve!

Japher
22-11-2005, 14:25:51
monkey?

Funko
22-11-2005, 14:31:51
Originally posted by Drekkus
:lol: Now the monkey comes out of the sleeve!

:lol: The what?

Is that like letting the cat out of the bag?

Nills Lagerbaak
22-11-2005, 14:51:43
I think it's more like showing your true colours...

Japher
22-11-2005, 14:52:15
like if the carpet matches the drapes?

Drekkus
22-11-2005, 14:58:22
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
I think it's more like showing your true colours... yes. Douze points pour Nills.

The Norks
22-11-2005, 15:23:24
do the dutch keep monkeys up their sleeves? How big are your sleeves goddammit?!

Japher
22-11-2005, 15:24:34
tiny monkeys

The Norks
22-11-2005, 15:26:33
finger monkeys


(thats not a command)

Japher
22-11-2005, 15:27:48
monkey pron?

(too late)

Funko
22-11-2005, 15:35:48
Originally posted by Drekkus
yes. Douze points pour Nills.

Ah, in English we say - Now the monkey has flown out of the butt.

mr.G
22-11-2005, 15:36:50
and in holland we have a sleeve hanging out of our butts.

Funko
22-11-2005, 15:38:11
The wipey wipey sleeve?

The Norks
22-11-2005, 15:42:39
funko you must be able to get a gary glitter/wizard's sleeve gag in here somewhere!

Funko
22-11-2005, 15:44:03
I think he likes it a bit tighter than that.

Nills Lagerbaak
22-11-2005, 15:53:19
Very good.

Police raided Gary Glitters house looking for underage male protstitutes. They found 4 hidden in the cupboard but couldn't find them all. Glitter later boasted to his neighbours that he "still had a few tricks up his sleeve"

mr.G
22-11-2005, 15:53:54
Originally posted by Funko
The wipey wipey sleeve? jesjes wipe away the monkey

mr.G
22-11-2005, 16:19:39
Originally posted by Drekkus
:lol: Now the monkey comes out of the sleeve! the huge manatee comes out of the very huge sleeve

The Norks
22-11-2005, 17:06:22
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Very good.

Police raided Gary Glitters house looking for underage male protstitutes. They found 4 hidden in the cupboard but couldn't find them all. Glitter later boasted to his neighbours that he "still had a few tricks up his sleeve"

that's what I'm talking about! :D

Nills Lagerbaak
22-11-2005, 17:27:53
Yay! Thank you...I think that's a keeper, although I've modified it a little bit...

Police raided Gary Glitters house looking for 10 underage male protstitutes. They found 4 hidden in the cupboard but couldn't find them all. Later, when asked how he got away with it, Glitter (whose infamous wizards outfit is known to be popular with the kiddies) said "well, I still have a few tricks up my sleeves"

The Norks
22-11-2005, 18:08:47
don't gild the lily!

JM^3
23-11-2005, 03:10:51
btw

I would just like to say that laws in the US aren't near as harsh

my sister went to all the trouble to witness against (one of) her abusers in court (she had been raped repeated, often in exchange for drugs for her mom, this happened when she was much younger then 10)

and he got out in ~7 years...

Jon Miller

Diss
23-11-2005, 03:33:14
too bad we don't have the firing squad in the U.S.

oh wait, I'm against the death penalty. But you have to admit. Sometimes it's kind of cool. :coolgrin:

Oerdin
23-11-2005, 07:56:15
Colorado still does the firing squad last I heard.

mr.G
23-11-2005, 09:02:48
Originally posted by JM^3
btw

I would just like to say that laws in the US aren't near as harsh

my sister went to all the trouble to witness against (one of) her abusers in court (she had been raped repeated, often in exchange for drugs for her mom, this happened when she was much younger then 10)

and he got out in ~7 years...

Jon Miller this is sad Jon, really sad.

Funko
23-11-2005, 09:18:47
Yes. :(

JM^3
23-11-2005, 12:45:20
it is much more common in western society then it should be

and our courts don't punish it as hard as they should

JM

The Norks
23-11-2005, 12:46:17
Rape/abuse should be a life sentence, no questions asked. The only exception I think we should have would be a discretionary sentence in date rape cases because they do tend to be grey situations.

Nills Lagerbaak
23-11-2005, 12:49:10
How can you equate rape/abuse with murder?! If murder doesn't attract a life sentace then rape surely shouldn't.

The Norks
23-11-2005, 12:52:54
I think murder should be a life sentence too.
How can I equate it? Rape and abuse may not end lives but they destroy lives, cause long term trauma, secondary issues like depression, suicide, more abuse, alcoholism, drug abuse etc etc. Anyone who inflicts that on another person who cannot defend themselves deserves locking up for good. Languishing at her Majesty's isn't just a punishment, its also a deterrent to others and a way of keeping the dangerous off the streets so they don't go and rape/abuse someone else when they get out.

Nills Lagerbaak
23-11-2005, 12:54:46
Sorry, you'll never convince me on this.

Murder ends a life - that's it, no second chance. Rape ruins a life...but always with the option of recovery.

They are just nothing like the same.

Nills Lagerbaak
23-11-2005, 12:55:42
And I certainly don't agree with capital punishment as you seem to suggest, you do.

LoD
23-11-2005, 14:26:23
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Sorry, you'll never convince me on this.

Murder ends a life - that's it, no second chance. Rape ruins a life...but always with the option of recovery.

That, plus it's a lot easier to frame someone for rape/abuse than to frame someone for murder.

JM^3
23-11-2005, 14:51:01
rape is torture, basically (and I am not including statutory rape in this...)

I consider torture to possibly be worse then murder.. (depends..)

it is true that you do have to be a bit concerned about false accusations of rape/abuse... but it is really common (compared to what it should be) (a lot of people who are raped/abused don't come forward about it, because they don't want anyone to know that it happened to them)

Jon Miller

maroule
23-11-2005, 15:13:25
calm your horses lads

I met my wife when she was 16 (I was 24 at the time). Turned out we ended up spending the last 10 years together, but just imagine : I dump her, and out of fear of her 'traditionalist' parents bashing her for loosing her virginity, or whatever, she fills a rape case... Impossible to prove for me it was consensual sex and badaboom I'm a child rapist...

(Thanks god her parents have 3 daughters and are eager to get rid of them :D )

Oerdin
23-11-2005, 15:42:12
You're eight years older then your wife?

Japher
23-11-2005, 15:47:19
"8 year olds man, 8 year olds"

Japher
23-11-2005, 15:48:31
http://booreview.com/images/the_big_lebowski_jesus.jpg

don't fuck with the Jesus

mr.G
23-11-2005, 15:49:09
:lol:
best movie evah DUDE!!!!

Funko
23-11-2005, 15:49:36
What film is that?

Japher
23-11-2005, 15:50:40
The Big Lebowski

mr.G
23-11-2005, 15:50:50
[100-0 protection] aint gonna tell you !!!![/100-0 protection]

Funko
23-11-2005, 15:52:19
Thanks Japher, that would have driven me nuts and made me really annoyed.

mr.G
23-11-2005, 15:55:04
:lol:

FACTORY YOU!!!!!!

maroule
23-11-2005, 15:58:48
Originally posted by Oerdin
You're eight years older then your wife?


yes

I planned early on to skip the mid 40s' crisis by already sleeping with a younger woman

mr.G
23-11-2005, 15:59:57
:lol:

now that's why my dad never had his 40s' crisis

Oerdin
23-11-2005, 16:12:08
I need to find a 21 year old chick.

JM^3
23-11-2005, 16:15:08
It is something I have made a big point in this thread about. The law makes very little difference between an underage chick (15, 16, etc) and a child (8, 5, etc). One is really fucked up, and the guy is torturing kids... The other there might not be anything wrong with (at worse it would be taking advantage of someone).

The law needs to treat these two very very very differently.

JM

Funko
23-11-2005, 16:41:01
I think Maroule met his wife in the UK so 16 wasn't actually underage.


Edit: and I think there is some difference in UK law between different ages, it might be at judges discretion though.

There was a case here where a football coach (Graham Rix) was convicted of sleeping with a 15 year old girl (just before she was 16 years old) he got 2 months but then he was also a registered sex offender so there were issues him training the youth team etc.

The Norks
23-11-2005, 16:47:40
Nills, rape victims don't have the 'option of recovery', they have to deal with what happened every day of their lives, same as any victim of abuse. If a rapist can impose that life sentence on a woman, society should give it right back.

And I do NOT believe in Capital punishment, and have never said that I do.

Also- all this stuff about how easy it is to fake a rape is utter bollocks!! Only 5% of reported rapes end in a conviction- that statistic alone should tell you how hard it is to convict on solid facts let alone something made up. The police don't put people in court unless they have hard evidence, and even then its almost impossible to convict rapists.

Anyway, just as you believe the rape victim has the 'option of recovery', the convicted man has the option of appeal.

The Norks
23-11-2005, 16:51:56
Also- you aren't really addressing the critical reason for banging rapists up for life, which is that they are likely to reoffend once released. There are many cases where rapists and child abusers have done just that within days of release, and society has every right to protect itself against further attacks.

Nills Lagerbaak
23-11-2005, 16:56:27
Sorry, not convinced. Murder and rape are just not equivalent however you slice it.

Diss
23-11-2005, 17:10:55
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
How can you equate rape/abuse with murder?! If murder doesn't attract a life sentace then rape surely shouldn't.

child rape is 10 times worse than murder.

Nills Lagerbaak
23-11-2005, 17:15:48
Nope. Luckily the courts in this country agree with me on this one.

novacane
23-11-2005, 17:15:58
Originally posted by Diss
child rape is 10 times worse than murder.
What about child murder then eh?

Why don't you all rank the top 10 worst crimes?

Nills Lagerbaak
23-11-2005, 17:17:43
That's as bad as murder.

Funko
23-11-2005, 17:17:56
1. Making some kind of traffic calming measure art

novacane
23-11-2005, 17:18:48
amen

Funko
23-11-2005, 17:19:36
2. Mentioning football on a local band forum

Funko
23-11-2005, 17:20:25
3. Mentioning the nazis in an internet argument on any subject (including wartime Germany)

Nills Lagerbaak
23-11-2005, 17:21:32
Absolutely nothing worng with that.


But worst crime is:

1. Developing stupid rules and conventions for internet fora ;)

novacane
23-11-2005, 17:22:01
4. Ranking crimes.

That's ranking crimes

Funko
23-11-2005, 17:22:25
5. Ranking taxis

Japher
23-11-2005, 17:22:29
4. Using your real name as you nick on internet msg boards

novacane
23-11-2005, 17:23:34
Whats worser?

Murder?

or Rape?

eh?

Funko
23-11-2005, 17:26:28
What's worser:

Raping 300 children

vs

Murdering someone who'd kept you prisoner and had been physically and mentally abusing you for 30 years



Or... We could just have variable sentences for different crimes so the judges can decide based on the severity of each case.

novacane
23-11-2005, 17:27:16
Now theres an idea.

Diss
23-11-2005, 17:28:58
Originally posted by novacane
What about child murder then eh?

Why don't you all rank the top 10 worst crimes?

child murder is pretty bad as well. Basically you are taking away life from someone who's barely lived it. If you kill an 80 year old women, big deal. But if you kill a child before they ever have a chance to fall in love and reproduce. That's a shame.

1. Child Rape
2. Child murder
3. president getting bj's from an intern ;)
4. murder
5. rape
6. torture of any kind
7. other forms of sexual assault (not involving penetration)
8. spousal abuse and/or child abuse
9. child negelct
10. CEO's ripping off pension funds

Funko
23-11-2005, 17:29:24
Originally posted by novacane
Now theres an idea.

It's crazy isn't it.

Japher
23-11-2005, 17:32:40
OMFG! You are so retarded!

maroule
23-11-2005, 17:47:49
Originally posted by Diss
child murder is pretty bad as well. Basically you are taking away life from someone who's barely lived it. If you kill an 80 year old women, big deal. But if you kill a child before they ever have a chance to fall in love and reproduce. That's a shame.



all true
now of course the disturbing fact is that statistically, the majority of child molestors were themselves abused as kids


so to be sure, let's kill the victim as well


Funko, 16 is legal in uk if the other one is 18 or less (IMO, not 100% sure)

The Norks
23-11-2005, 17:56:24
Nills, tell you what, I'll arrange for someone to buttfuck you down a dark alley, or to violate one of your close female relatives, and we'll see how you proceed with the option of recovery, and how you think it stacks up against murder. I can only think that you've been extremely closeted if you don't understand how rape and abuse ruin lives.

You still haven't addressed the issue of keeping offenders off the streets.

Also, the rest of you- why is it worse to rape a child? A child is more likely to forget than a grown woman, or to bounce back I would have thought. A child doesnt have people depending on him/her, or a part in the economy etc.

And why is it no big deal to kill an old woman? If someone killed my Nan I'd want to rip off their head and shit down their neck. For starters.

I can't believe some of the stuff you people think.

Japher
23-11-2005, 17:57:57
Nills IS asking for it... so he'd partially to blame

Diss
23-11-2005, 18:16:39
Children don't actually forget child rape. I think that's a myth. It affects them for the rest of their life.

The Norks
23-11-2005, 18:27:29
Originally posted by Diss
Children don't actually forget child rape. I think that's a myth. It affects them for the rest of their life.

i was playing devils advocate

Nills Lagerbaak
24-11-2005, 09:15:55
Originally posted by The Norks
Nills, tell you what, I'll arrange for someone to buttfuck you down a dark alley, or to violate one of your close female relatives, and we'll see how you proceed with the option of recovery, and how you think it stacks up against murder. I can only think that you've been extremely closeted if you don't understand how rape and abuse ruin lives.

You still haven't addressed the issue of keeping offenders off the streets.

Also, the rest of you- why is it worse to rape a child? A child is more likely to forget than a grown woman, or to bounce back I would have thought. A child doesnt have people depending on him/her, or a part in the economy etc.

And why is it no big deal to kill an old woman? If someone killed my Nan I'd want to rip off their head and shit down their neck. For starters.

I can't believe some of the stuff you people think.


Thank God the courts are with me on this one. I have spoken to a few rape victims about this (one who is very close to me). Both had completely gotten on with their lives, and both extremely happy to be alive and having fun today.
If most vistims said they would rather be dead than alive, then you may have a point for equating the two. As they don't I can only imagine your point of view is an emotionally reasoned one and not at all logical.
And speaking of trama caused to other parties, what about the anger, depression etc. etc. caused to lkoved ones of those who were murdered. I imagine it dwarfs the suffering of those around people who were raped.

Oh and keeping offenders of the streets? I think our system works fine, firstly no one has the right to predict if someone will reoffend once they have served their time. Secondly if they reoffend the system will be twice as harsh.

novacane
24-11-2005, 09:41:45
Originally posted by The Norks
A child doesnt have people depending on him/her, or a part in the economy etc.

The economy? Of course!! How could we overlook the most important aspect of all?

The Norks
24-11-2005, 14:25:25
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Thank God the courts are with me on this one. I have spoken to a few rape victims about this (one who is very close to me). Both had completely gotten on with their lives, and both extremely happy to be alive and having fun today.
If most vistims said they would rather be dead than alive, then you may have a point for equating the two. As they don't I can only imagine your point of view is an emotionally reasoned one and not at all logical.
And speaking of trama caused to other parties, what about the anger, depression etc. etc. caused to lkoved ones of those who were murdered. I imagine it dwarfs the suffering of those around people who were raped.

Oh and keeping offenders of the streets? I think our system works fine, firstly no one has the right to predict if someone will reoffend once they have served their time. Secondly if they reoffend the system will be twice as harsh.

People do get on with their lives Nills, it doesn't mean its all forgotten about. People I know with similar experiences have got on with things because lets face it, they had to, but its caused deep rifts in relationships, long term emotional issues and a general change in attitude. And rape does affect the families and friends too.

In this sort of case you do have to add some emotion- its an emotional crime, as is murder and you seem pretty emotional about that. I don't think men ever fully appreciate the threat of rape, but you seem totally detached from any kind of empathy. I seriously think you have a lack of understanding about the issue. Have a look at some of the information in the link below (self harm, flashbacks, why me, police & court etc) and you might begin to see the wider picture and why your friends are the exception for bouncing back with no problems. Most women have some form of PTSD after rape. Its not something that takes half an hour and then is over, it means examinations, recounting what happened, fear of std's and pregnancy, agoraphobia etc etc, and it depends on the individual as to how quickly they can deal with that.

http://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/about_rape.htm


Our legal system doesn't work fine Nills, thats why most (about 99%) of rapists get away scot free, and why so many reoffend. Experience tells us that sexual offenders are persistent and usually increase in severity of crime as time wears on. How many women's lives have to be devastated in your view before rapists get life? Essentially what you're saying and what our legal system says is that its ok to rape because it might not happen again, whereas in fact a rapist is a ticking time bomb. I don't think any sensible person feels that a rapist released after a couple of years is safe, and that its ok to wait and see if he then fucks up somebody else's life (which shows total disregard for that woman's rights and life) so we can be harder on him (if we manage to convict him this time), its not a petty crime. We should take the opportunity of doing that away from him completely while we have the chance.

I think this is a very compelling plea from an American woman in court to give evidence against her rapist which outlines some of the feelings around the things we're discussing:

http://www.connsacs.org/library/maximum.html

please read it

Nills Lagerbaak
24-11-2005, 14:32:10
No one is saying it is a petty crime, no one is saying it shouldn't go unpunished. There is no way however, that you'll ever convince me it can be equated to murder; as a life spent suffering with flashbacks and periodic boughts of depression etc. etc. is still a life nevertheless.

I'm not trying to be unsympathetic and cold, it's just it annoys me that we get so disensitised to murder as it is on the screen every day, that when people try to equate the two it pisses me off.

The Norks
24-11-2005, 14:34:28
What kind of life is it though? What right does someone else have to devastate anyone else's life in that way? They are essentially destroying that person's life as they know it, which is exactly what a murderer does.

read what the woman says Nills, then you might start to understand.

The Norks
24-11-2005, 14:37:43
and as I keep saying, its about protecting other potential victims too as sexual offenders are almost impossible to reform.

http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200southlondonheadlines/tm_objectid=16400516&method=full&siteid=50100&headline=life-sentence-for-sex-beast-after-victim-s-horrific-rape-name_page.html#story_continue

like this man, who was given loads of second chances to rape/assault again, which you seem to think is a risk worth taking.

Nills Lagerbaak
24-11-2005, 14:49:48
Originally posted by The Norks
What kind of life is it though? What right does someone else have to devastate anyone else's life in that way? They are essentially destroying that person's life as they know it, which is exactly what a murderer does.

read what the woman says Nills, then you might start to understand.

They have no right, that's why they are punished.

Murderers change the life of all the people around the vicitm.

School yard bullies, fraudsters, racial abusers, etc. etc. all can destroy the lives of their vicitms.

I'm not saying these crimes are any worse than rape, but a sliding scale of punishment exists, and a changed life is better then no life. It's as simple than that and doesn't really need any more explanation.

Nills Lagerbaak
24-11-2005, 14:54:39
And I read that lady's account. In the first sentence she says "Since last June, almost no day goes by that I don't realize how lucky I was that Reginald Flowers didn't kill me".

People who are murdered don't get to say this.

The Norks
24-11-2005, 15:26:05
I think thats some extremely picky editing you've done there Nills. She also talks about living with constant fear etc, but lets forget that since you obviously don't think that's bad enough. What shocks me more is that you think these people should be released again. Incarceration isn't just a punishment it serves to protect society, and what you are effectively saying is that the rights of the rapist to be free should override the rights of the innocent woman to be protected. I think that's outrageous.

Nills Lagerbaak
24-11-2005, 15:31:50
Don't twist my words.

I read the whole thing and I think she sums up my point perfectly in the first sentence: Her life was hell, but preferable to being dead.

My problem is not with the length of time you think a rapist should serve, it's just that on a sliding scale, the two crimes are nothing like equivalent.

I have read similar accounts of people who have been racially harrassed / assaulted / tortured. Maybe I think these people should get life, but that dubious honour is reserved for people who do actually end someone elses life, and rightly so.

The Norks
24-11-2005, 15:44:54
I'm not twisting your words- you said you think its ok to release rapists. I think that means decreasing women's safety in favour of a rapists freedom. Its a simple equation.

I don't think anyone thinks rape is equivalent to harassment or assault although these are clearly serious crimes. Torture yes.

Why should life be reserved for life? SHouldn't it be applied to people who pose an ongoing threat to the rights and freedoms of others in a serious and life damaging manner? Why should society release people onto the streets who clearly present a massive danger to others? Other countries take a far harder line on this and we've actually extended the maximum sentence for rape of an under-16 yr old to life. Time to update the adult sentence.

Nills Lagerbaak
24-11-2005, 15:53:29
Prison works on the principal of punishment and rehabilitation. If you release murderes after they have served their time, and you release muggers after they have served their time, you have to release rapists after they have served their time.

Serial murderers and rapists do not get released.

The Norks
24-11-2005, 16:24:33
i don't think murderers or rapists should be released at all. That way they don't get the opportunity to reoffend.

Nills Lagerbaak
24-11-2005, 16:37:48
And they also don't get the opportunity to rehabilitate (a principal upon whcih this criminal justice system is based).
Classic left vs. right wing debate.

I can understand the argument for keeping murderers locked up for life, but I wouldn't go for that either (apart from psychotic, serial murderers that is).

The Norks
24-11-2005, 17:39:58
sexual offenders are virtually impossible to rehabilitate. Its a compulsive and escalating disorder