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novacane
11-11-2005, 14:29:13
Anyone who hasn't seen this film, should.

Watched again last night with Gramercy and Ghidra. Made a plan to look up child star actor David Bradley (Billy Casper) and here it is.

http://www.globalerental.co.uk/ER/images/movies/1577.jpg

David Bradley (Billy Casper) (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0103193/bio)

Stopped proper acting after he wasn't given as many weeks break from a theatre production as he had hoped for. Has since claimed this was probably a blessing as it stopped him from being too conceited.

After he temporarily stopped acting, he tried several other things, including a board game, a television drama series and writing a film about medical ethics. All ideas failed to be successful.

Wrote a novel for children.

Was not a good school student and had no idea what he wanted to do after school, except that he did not want to work in a mine like his father.

At the age of 17 moved to London to pursue an acting career, after leaving school with no qualifications.

Renovated an old chapel outside Bath.

Is keen on the teachings of the late Indian guru, Krishnamurti: "When I first heard him speak I wept buckets of tears."

Wrote an open letter to Daniel Radcliffe in 2001 warning him of the dangers that faced child stars.

Father was a miner and mother was a seamstress.

Won the lead role in Kes (1969) after an open audition held for thousands of school children in the district.

Said during auditions for Kes (1969) he was more excited by the free food and drink provided than the actual audition.

Occasionally watches Kes (1969), often with groups of students studying the film.

Had only been in school pantomimes before being cast as Billy Casper in Kes (1969).

As well as acting in Kes (1969), he helped train the kestrels and carried the cameraman's equipment.

Brian Glover steals the show as Casper's PE teacher. I was laughing just searching for these pictures. Here he is after equalising with a twice-taken dubious penalty in "this important fifth round Cup tie at Old Trafford"

http://ayup.co.uk/00/03pic/kes4b.jpg

:lol:

PS: "Gramercy and Ghidra" - could be a great stage name

novacane
11-11-2005, 14:35:33
Couldn't resist this one too.

Casper receives the ball from point blank range as punishment for conceding a goal.

http://ayup.co.uk/00/03pic/kes4c.jpg

Gramercy Riffs
11-11-2005, 14:39:13
The greatest film ever made

Its equally funny and sad and just downright hilarious in places.

Funko
11-11-2005, 14:40:15
I've never seen it.

novacane
11-11-2005, 14:50:25
There's probably no more than 10 films which I would describe as "must-see" but Kes is definitely one of them. I'm sure Gramercy would lend you his copy. But, you must promise to look after it like child.

Funko
11-11-2005, 14:55:46
Cool.

Funko
11-11-2005, 14:56:59
I could probably pick it up on DVD for next to nothing in FOPP or HMV sale or something.

novacane
11-11-2005, 15:04:29
Yeah you can get a copy for £3-4 these days. Would be money well spent.

novacane
11-11-2005, 16:16:14
Not a route I expected this thread to take, but after reading David Bradley's reaction to Krishnamurti, i thought it was worth checking out. Here is todays quote,

"We are afraid to die. To end the fear of death we must come into contact with death, not with the image which thought has created about death, but we must actually feel the state. Otherwise there is no end to fear, because the word death creates fear, and we don't even want to talk about it. Being healthy, normal, with the capacity to reason clearly, to think objectively, to observe, is it possible for us to come into contact with the fact, totally? The organism, through usage, through disease, will eventually die. If we are healthy, we want to find out what death means. It's not a morbid desire, because perhaps by dying we shall understand living. Living, as it is now, is torture, endless turmoil, a contradiction, and therefore there is conflict, misery and confusion. The everyday going to the office, the repetition of pleasure with its pains, the anxiety, the groping, the uncertainty—that's what we call living. We have become accustomed to that kind of living. We accept it; we grow old with it and die.

To find out what living is as well as to find out what dying is, one must come into contact with death; that is, one must end every day everything one has known. One must end the image that one has built up about oneself, about one's family, about one's relationship, the image that one has built through pleasure, through one's relationship to society, everything. That is what is going to take place when death occurs."


krishnamurti.org (http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/)

Gramercy Riffs
11-11-2005, 16:28:58
funko, you can borrow my copy if you like? Even if its cheap, you dont want to buy a film you might hate.

The Norks
11-11-2005, 18:49:20
Kes is a heartbreaking film, in the mould of The Yearling but far more gritty, sadistic and urban. A lot of the actors were just ordinary people from the area it was filmed in. The book on which the film is based is excellent too, they do it for GCSE these days. Aye.

The Norks
11-11-2005, 18:50:40
The book's called A Kestrel for a Knave btw

Lazarus and the Gimp
11-11-2005, 20:56:44
So called because a kestrel was the only bird of prey commoners were permitted to own in medieval times. There was a ranking system- only a king could own a Gyrfalcon.

BigGameHunter
12-11-2005, 20:38:44
They were also allowed to own dodo's but those weren't nearly as effective.

MOBIUS
12-11-2005, 20:38:51
Yep, great book/movie - we did it for school

Lazarus and the Gimp
12-11-2005, 21:02:02
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
They were also allowed to own dodo's but those weren't nearly as effective.

My ancestors were so common that they were only permitted to use a chicken tied to a stick. Consequently they were crao at falconry, but accidentally invented the Chicken Satay kebab.

BigGameHunter
13-11-2005, 09:16:34
That actually sounds pretty high-tone to me. Before my forebears were run off of that miserable rock they were allowed only to train the flies that swarmed around them to forage for choice bits of fecal matter from the dung heaps of your ancestors.

King_Ghidra
14-11-2005, 09:58:06
great film, shame it too me so long to see it

i was talking to novacane and gramercy about a couple of other northern classics, here they are:

Another conversion of a great book, alan silltoe's Saturday Night Sunday Morning is also a tale of depressing northern stuff, the film has received much praise and must be worth a look (only read the book myself, i'm afraid)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054269/

and we did billy liar at school, both book and film, and it is another nice northern tale, this time of a young man with a fantastic imagination and a lot of girl trouble

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056868/

novacane
16-11-2005, 11:04:01
Here's Billy Casper today. He looks exactly as I imagined.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/News/Pictures/1999/09/28/Bradley256.jpg

and article, though much of it repeats what was posted earlier

Role of a Lifetime (http://film.guardian.co.uk/Feature_Story/interview/0,,86696,00.html)

The Norks
16-11-2005, 18:43:49
do you think he knows he's being cyberstalked by a load of gay twats?

novacane
17-11-2005, 09:59:11
Do you not like gay people then?

King_Ghidra
17-11-2005, 10:11:09
it's just a CGism, we are all gay twats

viz.: Much like an FC troll fest, we would find an unsuspecting board and the first post from HARDMAN would always have "Shaging" (intentionally misspelled) as the topic. The first post would always be "u r all gay twats". The idea was too see how long the posters at the board would get pissed off with his juvenile replys, such as "i shot ur mom up the cunt", et. al.

novacane
17-11-2005, 17:28:45
I'm bored already.

The Norks
17-11-2005, 18:23:13
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
it's just a CGism, we are all gay twats

viz.:

but by an extraordinary coincidence I do hate gay people. Its unnatural! God didn't intend it this way! You don't get gay animals! I believe in Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! etc etc etc.

novacane
18-11-2005, 10:01:07
Originally posted by The Norks
You don't get gay animals!

Yeah you do.

Funko
18-11-2005, 10:19:29
Big Gay Al's Big Gay Animal Sanctuary.

novacane
18-11-2005, 10:37:07
Exactly. And if its argued that this example is not "real" life then a quick search for "gay animals" on google image search can provide "real life" evidence.

Look.

http://www.funnypics4all.com/pics/0/7/795.jpg

http://www.radicalruss.net/blog/images/gay-dog.gif

http://www.kidzone.ws/animals/kangaroo.jpg

I also found a picture of a naked gay man, fully greased up and erect with the head of a chihuaha. I thought it somewhat inappropriate and I'm praying work don't check my google searches.

Nills Lagerbaak
18-11-2005, 11:00:26
" also found a picture of a naked gay man, fully greased up and erect with the head of a chihuaha"

Don't worry, they'll only be re-directed to the Muff website - which on first appearances is an innocuous looking band web site.

The Norks
18-11-2005, 18:15:24
Originally posted by novacane
Yeah you do.

No shit Sherlock. :rolleyes:

CAS FAN
21-11-2005, 00:46:24
Originally posted by The Norks
but by an extraordinary coincidence I do hate gay people. Its unnatural! God didn't intend it this way! You don't get gay animals! I believe in Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! etc etc etc.

:D

novacane
21-11-2005, 12:30:13
Originally posted by The Norks
No shit Sherlock. :rolleyes:

I think, "I was joking" would have sufficed.

Originally posted by The Norks
You don't get gay animals!

Kinda suggests that you do actually think that. Sarcasm doesn't really work in print unless the reader is familiar with the writer. Let that be a lesson. To me, and moreso, to you.

Funko
21-11-2005, 13:32:39
Well... I knew she was joking. :)

novacane
21-11-2005, 15:48:08
Proud? Ashamed?

The Norks
21-11-2005, 16:35:49
Originally posted by novacane
I think, "I was joking" would have sufficed.



Kinda suggests that you do actually think that. Sarcasm doesn't really work in print unless the reader is familiar with the writer. Let that be a lesson. To me, and moreso, to you.

sarcasm in print doesn't usually work unless the reader has a sense of humour.

You queers are so sensitive!

novacane
21-11-2005, 17:28:35
yeah, yeah. OK. enough now.

Thanks for ruining my gay thread.

The Norks
21-11-2005, 19:09:54
;) my pleasure