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Gary
08-11-2005, 15:10:47
Boffins chase 'hydrino' super power source (http://www.theregister.com/2005/11/07/hydrino_generator/)

Dr. Randall Mills, a Harvard medic by training, is claiming to have built a prototype generator that can produce 1000 times more heat than normal fuels, according to a report in the Guardian newspaper.

The trick, he says, is the use of a new form of hydrogen - we can hear your collective eyebrows raising - which he calls the Hydrino. This has a single electron orbiting the nucleus of the atom more closely than it does in normal hydrogen.

Japher
08-11-2005, 15:12:56
I don't care if it's true or not, I like the word "Hydrino"

King_Ghidra
08-11-2005, 15:16:56
next, the latrino

Nills Lagerbaak
08-11-2005, 15:25:50
~Is that a toilet bowl in which the floater hovers closer to the bottom?

Venom
08-11-2005, 15:28:38
I invented a perpetual energy machine! It uses stuff no one's ever heard of to do thing.

KrazyHorse
08-11-2005, 17:03:37
This has a single electron orbiting the nucleus of the atom more closely than it does in normal hydrogen

:lol:

This guy has no understanding of quantum mechanics or electromagnetism...

Nills Lagerbaak
08-11-2005, 17:32:12
This guys thinks all modern quantum theory is wrong. He doesn't believe electrons orbit in discreet energy levels.

MDA
08-11-2005, 17:52:18
It would take tremendous energy to push the electron any closer to the proton, right?

Do I win?

Gary
08-11-2005, 21:28:50
Allegedly not. Gives off lots of energy when it "falls" there :D

Vincent
08-11-2005, 22:28:22
Is it like a flux compensator?

LoD
08-11-2005, 22:36:24
Surely you mean the dimensional flux capacitor?

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
08-11-2005, 23:53:06
On the one hand, he's been described as "a notorious crank" with his wacky and far-out "scientific" ideas.

On the other hand... http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/9/8/4


[...]another theorist has joined the debate with a different point of view. Jan Naudts of the University of Antwerp in Belgium argues that the Klein-Gordon equation of relativistic quantum mechanics does indeed permit the existence of a low-lying hydrino state, although he stops short of claiming that hydrino states really exist (physics/0507193). "In physics the experiment decides," says Naudts. "Either the hydrino exists, in which case we have to accept a small correction to the textbooks on quantum mechanics, or it does not exist, in which case we have to find better arguments to explain why it does not exist." Naudts says that results of Mills and co-workers have recently been confirmed by a group at the Technical University of Eindhoven. "Nothing is decided yet, but I think it is time to fill the holes in our theoretical understanding of the hydrogen atom."

Zopperoni
09-11-2005, 02:11:02
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
~Is that a toilet bowl in which the floater hovers closer to the bottom?
It's a toilet that can produce 1000 times more shit than normal toilets, according to a report in the Guardian newspaper.

HelloKitty
09-11-2005, 06:44:45
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
:lol:

This guy has no understanding of quantum mechanics or electromagnetism...

You sound like one of the rich fat cat oil bastards!!!

Have you planned this guy's murder yet?

KrazyHorse
09-11-2005, 11:53:40
Originally posted by MDA
It would take tremendous energy to push the electron any closer to the proton, right?

Do I win?

No. Getting the electron into a lower orbit releases energy.

KrazyHorse
09-11-2005, 11:59:50
the Klein-Gordon equation of relativistic quantum mechanics does indeed permit the existence of a low-lying hydrino state

I don't see how.

This guy sounds full of shit too.

MDA
09-11-2005, 15:05:00
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
No. Getting the electron into a lower orbit releases energy.

I thought at ground state there was a repulsive force that balanced the attraction of opposite charges.

My last physics course was 16 years ago, however.

Japher
09-11-2005, 15:07:02
no, KH is right

though to get an electron into a lower orbit that is not it's natural state would require energy

electrons at an excited state that return to a lower orbit would release nrg

and electrons at a level lower than it's natural state would, theoretically, lower the overall energy of the atom thus requiring energy to be released

or something

i don't know

MDA
09-11-2005, 15:11:35
I'm sure he's right, he's a physicist. I just don't understand. :cry:

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
09-11-2005, 17:43:08
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I don't see how.

This guy sounds full of shit too.

Yeah yeah, tell it to physicsweb :)