PDA

View Full Version : Tory Leader


Kitsuki
14-10-2005, 16:41:35
Note -

a ) I dont want a flame thread

b ) loads of posts about how you hate Tories, that they are the spawn of satan etc.

But which of the four candidates would you prefer to see as Conservative leader...? Would genuinely interest me to find out! :)

Nills Lagerbaak
14-10-2005, 16:42:30
Burn, burn, you will burn you blue bastard!

Funko
14-10-2005, 16:45:04
Pretty much everyone who isn't a Tory hates Ken Clarke the least - FACT

Dyl Ulenspiegel
14-10-2005, 16:46:22
Who are the four candidates?

Suppose Clarke is running, so I'd be for him.

King_Ghidra
14-10-2005, 16:47:39
what funko said

but kits, face it, people hate your joke of a party, laugh at the horrible mess it is in and couldn't give a damn about the silver spoon cocksuckers who run and participate in it

Gary
14-10-2005, 16:50:30
I know sod all about the other 3, (apart from one who refuses to admit to being a past druggie) but I'd rather not the Europhile won. Too many of them in the other lot.

Apart from that, who really cares ? Does any of them come on particularly strong in support of civil rights ?

mr.G
14-10-2005, 16:51:13
I'll vote for tory amos

Nills Lagerbaak
14-10-2005, 16:51:15
Although to be fair to the chap, they are no worse than labour.

Gary
14-10-2005, 16:52:05
PS they are all the sperm of satan

Funko
14-10-2005, 16:52:27
Clarke and three virtually indistinguishable extreme right nutters...

Except one is younger and moderately unugly.

The others are

Davis - bad public speaker, very right wing, would never win an election
Cameron - younger, virtually 'cool' in relative tory terms but no-one really knows what he stands for (a good thing in politics?)
That other ugly guy who used to be in the cabinet but has no chance at all. I can't even remember his name.

Funko
14-10-2005, 16:53:00
Rifkind?

Funko
14-10-2005, 16:53:23
Rifkind could be a Terry Pratchett character couldn't he...

King_Ghidra
14-10-2005, 16:54:06
an extremely irritating one yes

Gary
14-10-2005, 16:55:01
Yet more 100-0 prot :) Fox - Rifkind bowed out a while ago (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4311348.stm)

Funko
14-10-2005, 16:55:12
I think the Tories need to do what Labour did to get back into power - start totally ignoring their traditional support (they'll still get their votes) and launch headlong into the middle gound.

Funko
14-10-2005, 16:55:45
Originally posted by Gary
Yet more 100-0 prot :) Fox - Rifkind bowed out a while ago (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4311348.stm)


Ah Fox... same difference really.

Nills Lagerbaak
14-10-2005, 16:56:55
Great so we'll end up with even more of a one party (old tory) system.

And people wonder why there is voter apathy.

Funko
14-10-2005, 16:57:51
It's ok, they won't do it.

Kitsuki
14-10-2005, 17:00:01
I suppose I asked for that response...

I'm backing Cameron, the young, socially-liberal one... :)

Gary
14-10-2005, 17:01:06
Originally posted by Funko
I think the Tories need to do what Labour did to get back into power - start totally ignoring their traditional support (they'll still get their votes) and launch headlong into the middle gound. The problem with being the second party to do that is that, with no "clear water" between the two options, folk stick with the devil they know until they (the government) piss them (the voters) off too much.

Like they say, elections are lost by the incumbents more often than they are won by the other lot.

Kitsuki
14-10-2005, 17:03:12
Originally posted by Funko
Rifkind could be a Terry Pratchett character couldn't he...

He reminds me of Krusty the Clown actually...

Rifkind?

http://www.lewzworld.com/simpsons/krusty-p.jpg

Krusty?

http://images.scotsman.com/2005/05/30/rifkind.jpg

Funko
14-10-2005, 17:03:42
Originally posted by Kitsuki
I suppose I asked for that response...

I'm backing Cameron, the young, socially-liberal one... :)

I think realistically only him and Clarke could get elected and he'd probably be the best choice.

MOBIUS
14-10-2005, 18:04:32
Ever since Major stepped down it has amazed me how they kept avoiding voting for the only person non Tory voters (i.e. the people they are trying to get to vote for them!) actually respect: Ken Clarke...

Now though it might be too late to vote for him, so this Cameron (the Tory Blair) geezer might be the one to go for, for the future of the party - except I just don't know enough about him yet...

The other two can jump off a very tall cliff as far as I'm concerned.

HelloKitty
14-10-2005, 18:11:48
Originally posted by Kitsuki
Note -

a ) I dont want a flame thread

b ) loads of posts about how you hate Tories, that they are the spawn of satan etc.

But which of the four candidates would you prefer to see as Conservative leader...? Would genuinely interest me to find out! :)

Shouldn't the Tories just put Blair up? He does so much for them already.

MOBIUS
14-10-2005, 18:16:48
Yeah, after Blair makes way for Brown he can defect to his rightful party and beat Brown to be PM again!:lol:

:nervous:

The Norks
14-10-2005, 18:41:39
Cameron. I'd think about voting Tory if he was leader.

The Norks
14-10-2005, 18:42:35
Even though it means risking my eternal soul will be fried in a pit of fiery hot damnation

Lazarus and the Gimp
14-10-2005, 19:24:35
Oh yes. Cameron- the bold new future. The Old Etonian. Yeah, right.

Clarke or nothing for me.

Lazarus and the Gimp
14-10-2005, 19:26:15
It's starting to turn entertainingly nasty now, with the drug questions being aimed at Cameron. 10 says the Davis camp is behind that.

Kitsuki
15-10-2005, 03:31:40
Id put up a tenner you cant find someone to take that bet Laz. I know for a fact it is.

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-10-2005, 08:20:40
I thought it might be. Davis doesn't strike me as being one for gentlemanly fair play.

Fergus & The Brazen Car
15-10-2005, 09:58:19
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Davis doesn't strike me as being one for gentlemanly fair play.


'Gentleman' ?


Why, Laz, don't you know he's only a strip of worn, burning linoleum from being a chav ?

He was born on a council estate, I'll have you know. And brought up by a single mother !

There's street cred for you. He's obviously a man of the people, by the people, for the people.


Which is why he's running for the leadership of the party that did more to destroy working class communities than any other British party, and sold off what the whole country owned, to a few.

MOBIUS
15-10-2005, 10:19:43
But Kitsuki keeps hoping that they'll change...:cute:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-10-2005, 10:27:03
Originally posted by MOBIUS
Yeah, after Blair makes way for Brown he can defect to his rightful party and beat Brown to be PM again!:lol:

:nervous:

The braindead little poodle would certainly lose against Brown.

Fergus & The Brazen Car
15-10-2005, 10:42:57
Originally posted by MOBIUS
But Kitsuki keeps hoping that they'll change...:cute:


Into what ?

Compassionate human beings who give a shit ?


Tell that to Douglas H(T)urd, who was more interested in the privatization of Serbian nationalized industries than he was in the lives of Bosnian civilians.


Or Margaret Thatcher, whoring herself for the Philip Morris Cancerous Growth And Respiratory Diseases Foundation For Eastern Europe And The Developing World.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-10-2005, 10:49:25
Originally posted by Fergus & The Brazen Car
Into what ?

Compassionate human beings who give a shit ?


Hey, that's all relative, they could be much worse, like Republicans....

Fergus & The Brazen Car
15-10-2005, 11:01:42
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
Hey, that's all relative, they could be much worse, like Republicans....


The only things that prevent them from being like American Republicans are a lack of money, and a healthy disregard for Fundamentalist Christian inanities in the U.K. .

The Church of England used to be described as the Tory Party at prayer, but in the 80s it gave useful intellectual and vocal opposition to the myth machine of the Thatcher regime.

Provost Harrison
17-10-2005, 14:48:14
Well I suppose Clarke is the best candidate if it wasn't for those dodgy connections with the tobacco industry...but I suppose there has to be a hint of corporate evil in even the nicest Tory.

Kitsuki
17-10-2005, 15:03:49
Originally posted by MOBIUS
But Kitsuki keeps hoping that they'll change...:cute:

:p

King_Ghidra
17-10-2005, 15:24:08
the guardian had a great headline on a related story today:

Davis attacks Cameron on drugs

what a mental image that conjures up.

Funko
17-10-2005, 15:27:48
Slightly confusing headline...

Does it mean that Davis is on drugs and attacking Cameron or is Cameron on drugs an being attacked by Davis?

Tizzy
17-10-2005, 15:29:44
I think it's that Cameron is standing on a big pile of drugs and Davis jumps on him.

King_Ghidra
17-10-2005, 15:29:48
i don't know, but if someone is on drugs and someone is attacking then that's a lot more interesting leadership battle than i was anticipating

Kitsuki
17-10-2005, 15:32:11
I think the headline, "Cameron on a High" was the best I saw... :lol:

Funko
17-10-2005, 15:32:24
I hope it's a cage match.

Funko
17-10-2005, 15:33:15
Is Cameron spreading the drugs rumours himself to appeal to the young (ie. Non Tory) vote at the next election?

King_Ghidra
17-10-2005, 15:36:51
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/cartoons/2005/10/17/Austin_171005.jpg

King_Ghidra
17-10-2005, 15:37:30
uncanny eh

Funko
17-10-2005, 15:37:56
:lol:

Great minds etc.

Kitsuki
17-10-2005, 15:53:01
:lol:

Its a slur almost definitely being spread by the Davis camp, which is backfiring badly and strengthening a lot of the support for Cameron.

Funko
17-10-2005, 16:55:28
From the looks of this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4304664.stm

The current mp votes are

Davis 66
Cameron 36
Clarke 23
Fox 21

With 61 still to declare

So Davis vs somebody...

Going on the "most right wing wins" principle Davis wins and labour is handed the next Election on a plate!

Gary
17-10-2005, 17:53:18
You have no faith in your Libs ;)

Funko
17-10-2005, 19:35:06
I might even vote for labour under Gordon Brown.

Would certainly have to try and oust the wanker Tory we let in last time.

Provost Harrison
18-10-2005, 23:14:54
Looks like Ken Clarke is out. And so are the Tories chance of ever being re-electedfor another decade...

The Norks
19-10-2005, 00:24:40
He would never have been elected, I reckon Cameron is their only hope.

Kitsuki
19-10-2005, 01:25:25
I think Cameron was the best choice in the first place, and hence I am on his campaign team... :)

Don't put all your money on Davis, Funko, there is quite a lot of feeling that there may be tactical voting to try and squeeze him out, and further leakage of his votes elsewhere. Dont underestimate how many people initially backed him because they thought it would benefit their careers rather than the Party of the Country...

I think DC will win this though, and I'm going to put a lot of effort into helping that happen.....

fp
19-10-2005, 06:10:14
If the Tory party membership have any sense then Cameron's victory should be a foregone conclusion. Of course, since when have they had any sense when it comes to picking a leader? ;)

If they do elect Cameron I'd be tempted to put a flutter on them winning the next election. Labour are finished (and have been for a while). As soon as there is a credible opposition they'll get voted out.

Funko
19-10-2005, 09:33:23
From the news last night it looks like the Tory membership is going for Cameron...

Assuming he gets though. Dr Fox :lol: came across relatively well too.

As for the next election I think Gordon Brown is much more popular than Blair...

Kitsuki
19-10-2005, 09:49:54
Fox is dangerously right wing IMO, even if he is a good media performer he seems to want to remodel the Conservatives in the Republican Party mould - and it would take me about a minute to set my membership card alight if that came to pass....

Funko
19-10-2005, 09:57:57
Yes. I agree...

But he came across well on TV.

It sounds like Davis vs Cameron with Cameron winning...

Kitsuki
19-10-2005, 10:42:01
Fingers crossed....

fp
19-10-2005, 17:27:49
What on earth is CNN talking about?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/10/18/britain.conservatives.reut/index.html
Clarke's age probably counted against him, as did his pro-European views in an overwhelmingly neuroscientist party.

"Neuroscientist"?? :lol:

The only thing I can think of is that they tried to write "eurosceptic" and for some crazy reason their spell checker changed it.

:clueless: :clueless: :clueless:

fp
19-10-2005, 17:32:28
If Davis or Fox eventually wins, analysts say it will show that the Conservatives have little appetite to modernize and move to the center ground -- a process Blair took the Labour party through during an 18-year stretch in opposition.

They seem to be under the impression that Blair was Labour leader throughout the Thatcher administration!

Conservative Party members -- who have opted since 1997 for little-known leaders who appealed to them but not to the wider electorate -- may now be receptive to Cameron's message that the party must update its policies and its image to return to power.

Michael Howard was far from being a "lesser known" Tory!

I wonder if our news services make such blatant errors about the politics of other countries. One imagines that they must do.

Gary
19-10-2005, 18:50:01
Neuroscientist :lol:

Beta1
19-10-2005, 19:12:56
:lol:

Heard them called a lot of things but thats a new one

Scabrous Birdseed
19-10-2005, 19:16:24
Neuroscientist! :lol::lol::lol:

Provost Harrison
19-10-2005, 21:18:18
ROTFLMAO :lol:

Provost Harrison
19-10-2005, 21:20:19
Former finance minister? Can't their audience cope with Chancellor of the Exchequer?

fp
20-10-2005, 06:16:31
Possibly not. I notice that our media refer to members of other governments as "Finance ministers" and such-like all the time. It isn't necessarily what they're called in their own country.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
20-10-2005, 08:12:43
Alan Jones... (Slightly Silly Party) ...9,112.

Kevin Phillips Bong... (Overwhelmingly Neuroscientist Party) ... Nought.

Kitsuki
20-10-2005, 09:47:28
Im going to be on ITN live tonight giving my views on the campaign, so if you are watching, keep an eye out for me...! :)

Gary
20-10-2005, 10:00:28
If you're on, I may just put both eyes out !

if thine eye offends thee ..

Kitsuki
20-10-2005, 10:13:39
:(

Gary
20-10-2005, 11:04:21
:cry:

fp
20-10-2005, 12:50:52
Originally posted by Kitsuki
Im going to be on ITN live tonight giving my views on the campaign, so if you are watching, keep an eye out for me...! :)

I wonder if the interviewer will ask you why, at this crucial time of the contest, members of Cameron's campaign spend all their free time in Arathi Basin? ;)

King_Ghidra
20-10-2005, 13:15:03
:lol:

Kitsuki
20-10-2005, 13:53:24
Originally posted by fp
I wonder if the interviewer will ask you why, at this crucial time of the contest, members of Cameron's campaign spend all their free time in Arathi Basin? ;)

:lol:

I am not working on it full time - I am volunteering... Besides - I'm giving up my next 4 weekends and 3 days of holiday time on it, so there! :D

Telling him I roleplay an 8 foot troll shaman on t'internet might not be the best policy! :beer:

fp
20-10-2005, 14:16:30
A poll today suggests that Cameron has the support of 56% of the membership, compared to less than 10% each for the other two.

OMFG nerf cameron!

Kitsuki
20-10-2005, 14:24:12
OMFG Cameron bubblakin, nerf!!!!1!11!1!

fp
20-10-2005, 15:02:25
Hopefully the victorious Cameron team won't decide to take all their clothes off and /dance outside Westminster in celebration.

Kitsuki
20-10-2005, 15:07:46
If they're female and are doing the Night Elf dance, then they can /dance to their heart's content in my book! :beer:

fp
20-10-2005, 15:26:48
Tory sleaze :gasmaske:

Scabrous Birdseed
21-10-2005, 14:55:04
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4363818.stm

Gotta love this BBC article. It keeps the form of one of those supposedly "bare-facts" american-style news stories, yet keeps throwing in all sorts of vaguely titter-worthy non sequiteurs, suggestions and sarcastic winks. It's a non-story in terms of news value, and I suppose the journalist just took it as licence to go a bit wild.

Fergus & The Brazen Car
22-10-2005, 08:57:04
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4363818.stm

Gotta love this BBC article. It keeps the form of one of those supposedly "bare-facts" american-style news stories, yet keeps throwing in all sorts of vaguely titter-worthy non sequiteurs, suggestions and sarcastic winks. It's a non-story in terms of news value, and I suppose the journalist just took it as licence to go a bit wild.


His secret is out- he's waiting for Papa Lazarou:

The shadow education secretary, who was called 'Dave' throughout the interview...

And remember- no questions about drugs:

The interview at the internet community radio station, which is next to the STONED ARTS community group...


Honesty is the best policy:

The encounter comes a day after Mr Cameron said he had not snorted cocaine since becoming an MP.

So the day before election night then ? :beer:

Lazarus and the Gimp
24-10-2005, 19:11:11
I've just been reading more about his desires-

Flat-rate taxation.
Calls for more stay-at-home parenting (he went to Eton, you know).
National Service.


Kitsuki- explain yourself. He's showing signs of bastardity.

The Norks
24-10-2005, 19:59:28
I think National Service is a good idea, might get some discipline back in the yoof.

The Norks
24-10-2005, 20:00:47
or respect or something. And stay at home parenting would be fantastic, as long as he is prepared to support that financially and for men too.

Lazarus and the Gimp
24-10-2005, 21:57:06
Originally posted by The Norks
I think National Service is a good idea, might get some discipline back in the yoof.

Non-military National Service. Painting murals and picking up litter.

I wouldn't do it.

The Norks
24-10-2005, 23:02:33
yeah it wouldn't have to be military necessarily, but I don't think it would be a bad thing to instil a sense of community and mutual responsibility in people. Might stop some of the youth crime that seems so prevalent now. It can't be any worse an idea than mixed ability teaching or phonetic spelling.

fp
25-10-2005, 06:08:40
Originally posted by The Norks
And stay at home parenting would be fantastic, as long as he is prepared to support that financially and for men too.

Hurrah for tax rises!

Fergus & The Brazen Car
25-10-2005, 10:21:33
Originally posted by The Norks
I think National Service is a good idea, might get some discipline back in the yoof.


Yes, it worked so well with the Kray Twins. ;)

Lazarus and the Gimp
25-10-2005, 16:35:55
My great-Uncle ran the youth club that the Kray twins went to. He always said they were just average boys who fell into bad company when then went into the army.

The Norks
25-10-2005, 18:54:34
isn't there a saying about the banality of evil?

Obviously national service wouldn't eliminate crime, but all the soft policies of allowing kids to basically have no sense of responsibility to society haven't worked. It might help to integrate young people into society more and also to garner a bit of trust and respect from older people. Then again maybe bad apples will always turn out bad. Who knows.

The Norks
25-10-2005, 18:57:03
or maybe we should cut off their left hands, stop them texting in class and 'happy slapping' etc, not to mention wanking which turns them blind so they start wearing really awful Burberry/Vuitton rip offs.

Beta1
25-10-2005, 21:31:26
I'd vote for that :p

Funko
26-10-2005, 09:06:30
Originally posted by The Norks
or respect or something. And stay at home parenting would be fantastic, as long as he is prepared to support that financially and for men too.

So a flat rate of 50% tax then?

Gary
26-10-2005, 09:42:38
Fine, but double my salary and freeze prices first though :)

Funko
03-11-2005, 12:33:03
Live debate on question time tonight if anyone cares:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/4396336.stm

King_Ghidra
03-11-2005, 13:51:03
at the rate blair is going we might be starting a thread for his job soon

Funko
03-11-2005, 13:51:44
I had a dream last night that they made Prescott leader and everyone was really confused 'cause it wasn't Gordon Brown.

Kitsuki
03-11-2005, 14:35:57
Odd subject matter for a dream...

Funko
03-11-2005, 14:39:15
It wasn't the main point of the dream, just something that was going on in the background.

The Norks
03-11-2005, 19:19:48
Originally posted by Funko
So a flat rate of 50% tax then?

i was making the point that he would have to support it somehow. It WOULD be great if there was a way to do it but thats a big if.

Funko
09-11-2005, 14:35:27
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4420760.stm

Cameron - Boxers
Davis - Briefs

Kitsuki
09-11-2005, 14:48:12
Cameron is the more modern then...

Put my ballot paper in the post this morning... :)

Funko
09-11-2005, 14:49:30
Who did you vote for?

Kitsuki
09-11-2005, 14:50:20
Cameron - have been helping his campaign... :)

Funko
09-11-2005, 14:51:27
100-Nill!!!

I think that's a text book incontrovertible score.

Kitsuki
09-11-2005, 14:52:57
Doh!

Lazarus and the Gimp
09-11-2005, 19:06:14
Now that was old-school. A purist's 100-0.

Funko
10-11-2005, 09:14:41
The best kind. :beer:

Spartak@CPH
10-11-2005, 18:24:24
:lol:

Nice one but a bit too easy if you want my opinion.

Funko
23-12-2005, 11:37:53
Am I hallucinating?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4554878.stm

Or did I just read an article about the Tories talking about wealth distribution. :eek:

Lazarus and the Gimp
23-12-2005, 12:56:35
Blimey.

Funko
23-12-2005, 12:57:06
I know, I'm stunned.

Gary
23-12-2005, 13:47:14
Well the Labour party swung to the right. If you want to attract votes why not claim to be about to swing to the left ?

Funko
23-12-2005, 13:59:15
Yeah, but logic in the tories?!

Nills Lagerbaak
23-12-2005, 14:07:00
Mr. LeFtwinG??


I smell a conspiracy, where's my tin hat?

Nills Lagerbaak
23-12-2005, 14:09:13
"Cake", "Empower", "Resdistribute" it's just more bullshit, no actual substance.

Funko
23-12-2005, 14:09:43
Oliver Leftwing, brilliant.

Nills Lagerbaak
23-12-2005, 14:11:34
Yeah, 1 left wing please. What's that? I said Oliver Leftwing!

Funko
23-12-2005, 14:13:06
And all the brilliance evaporates in an instant.

Nills Lagerbaak
23-12-2005, 14:15:17
:( why?

Funko
23-12-2005, 14:15:37
That was a bit poor.

Nills Lagerbaak
23-12-2005, 14:18:10
Yes, it was a lame pun....I thought you'd like it.

Nills Lagerbaak
23-12-2005, 14:18:42
Oliver = I'll have a ???


Thought it was right up your street :(

Funko
23-12-2005, 14:21:05
I know but people always say mine are terrible too. :D

Nills Lagerbaak
23-12-2005, 14:21:54
Now this is lame:


What do angry mice send each other at christmas?































Cross mouse cards.

Funko
23-12-2005, 14:23:27
:lol:

Kitsuki
23-12-2005, 14:59:31
:lol:

I'm ashamed for laughing out loud at that joke though. :(

Lazarus and the Gimp
23-12-2005, 15:00:59
Kitsuki. Your party appear to be going weird. Explain.

TV4Fun
01-01-2006, 10:28:46
they were going normal for awhile, then they decided it was a bad idea so they stopeed.