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alsieboo
01-10-2005, 01:45:26
Because I'm coming up to my 17th, I can leagally get a motorbike or a car (or both, but I don't have that much money). But, I don't know which one to have! If I choose a car, I've already got one, but the oil rings are gone and need to be replaced. If I choose bike, I've basically got one of those as well.

Upsides of car: Warm, dry, can listen to music, shopping, carry passengers, no helmet hair.

Upsides of bike: I love bikes, sexier, I can lay the guy who owns it, childhood + adolescent dream.

Now I gotta make my decision pretty soon so I can go about making arrangements for my provisional etc, words of wisdom, please.

(Just because there are more practical reasons for getting a car, doesn't necessarily mean I should get one. Bikes get me more fired up, I do love them to bits, I was always going to get a bike as soon as I possibley could, I'm just looking for reassurance!)

Immortal Wombat
01-10-2005, 01:53:34
do both

protein
01-10-2005, 02:15:07
car. sooo much cooler. you can sleep in it. carry things in it. don't get soaking wet. much less chance of a horrible painful death.

i had a bike. it was shit.

Venom
01-10-2005, 04:55:50
protein makes a convincing argument. Plus you can run over people better in a car.

DevilsH@lo
01-10-2005, 11:27:18
Mortality rate of riding a bike is about 50% that of driving a car.

Car drivers don't see you, alot easier to get things wrong, more likelyhood of severe injury if/when things go wrong.

Put it this way, the ambulance service takes "EVERY" biker involved in an accident to A&E no matter how trivial the injury may appear at the time, in a car assuming you aren't cut free or unconcious then you'll generally find your own way home.

Stick to a car, piston rings or otherwise, i'm speaking from experience.

As for the sexier comment, yeah when it's dry they probably are, try when it's raining and your leathers leech black dye all over you.

If you do get a bike, then you need to be spending around 1000 on decent personal protective gear to give you a fighting chance should anyone hit you, or you come off.

alsieboo
01-10-2005, 13:20:29
bleh, I knew everyone would be practical

DevilsH@lo
01-10-2005, 16:49:16
lol, get a bike if you want mate, but make sure you spend alot on the best safety equipment you can.

I nearly lost my right leg in an argument with a car, and would have definately been impaled on some meaty branches had i not been wearing a decent set of leathers, with armour in all the right places.

alsieboo
01-10-2005, 19:28:33
I wouldn't skimp on safety, I know I'd have to spend a lot on it, but despite everything I say, I quite like having all my body parts and being alive.

Bleh. I want people to make decisions for me, but I don't like the outcome.

JM^3
01-10-2005, 19:30:57
get a Vespa!

JM

Kitsuki
01-10-2005, 21:42:02
The other point about a car is you can give people a lift - instant respect at that age...! :)

Cruddy
01-10-2005, 23:40:59
There isn't really a clear winner.

1) The car will mean you don't get wet, covered in cowshit (it's muckspreading season in the country) and are much less likely to suffer fatal injury.

2) The bike doesn't cost nearly as much to run and won't get stuck in a traffic jam.

Personally I avoid both sets of hassles by walking or using public transport.

Sir Penguin
02-10-2005, 02:08:38
It's pretty clear that you realise that getting the car is the correct decision, but getting the bike is what you want. There's not much we can say to change either. I say, if you really can't make your own decision, you're not mature enough to choose the car anyway, so go for the bike and get it over with. You won't regret it for several years.

SP

Oerdin
02-10-2005, 02:56:16
Teenagers shouldn't have motorcycles. They're bound to get into an accident or two which is fine in a car since you have lots of protective steel around you but on a bike...

Sir Penguin
02-10-2005, 03:07:50
A little pain never hurt anyone.

SP

JM^3
02-10-2005, 03:21:50
I would like to ge ta motorcycle

I don't just because I am pretty sure I would die

JM

Lazarus and the Gimp
02-10-2005, 09:22:08
I want this.

http://totalcar.index.hu/totalbike/artgaleri/ancsadoga/vmax_200.jpg

But I drive a Seat Leon. Welcome to the real world.

DevilsH@lo
02-10-2005, 11:58:20
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
I want this.

http://totalcar.index.hu/totalbike/artgaleri/ancsadoga/vmax_200.jpg

But I drive a Seat Leon. Welcome to the real world.

That should have been built in america Laz, thing has rocket like performance but is a real swine to get round corners. Needs some real forcing about.

Lazarus and the Gimp
02-10-2005, 14:24:30
Very true- but in those crucial traffic light sprints it's a monster. I've never been into racers. I'm a muscle bike fan.

alsieboo
02-10-2005, 16:01:55
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
It's pretty clear that you realise that getting the car is the correct decision, but getting the bike is what you want. There's not much we can say to change either. I say, if you really can't make your own decision, you're not mature enough to choose the car anyway, so go for the bike and get it over with. You won't regret it for several years.

SP

There is no right or wrong answer, and I always knew I could count on cg for some good straight talk.

I do use public transport, but I also have to rely on my father to pick me up from work in the evenings. He's getting tired of it, I'd like a bit of independance, so thats why I have to get something.

Sir Penguin
02-10-2005, 23:06:54
You've given several practical and reasoned arguments for buying a car, and absolutely nothing to support buying a bike, except that you want one. Nobody in this thread has given you a reason to buy a bike, in fact, people have given you several reasons not to, but somehow, the decision's still unmade. Like I said, if you're just looking for an excuse to justify getting what you want instead of making a reasoned decision, here it is: get it over with, and get the bike. Sure, it's less useful, less safe, and less comfortable, but you'll look totally hot!

SP

Cruddy
02-10-2005, 23:17:52
If you do go bike, DO get the leathers and boots.

The first time you go sliding down concrete on your arse, you'll really appreciate them.

If it's just for pootling to and from work, scooter might be the best choice. Although do take care when overtaking parked cars - you'll be amazed at how often you whizz past a suddenly opened car driver's door.

alsieboo
03-10-2005, 02:23:11
Yeah, it mainly is for getting me to and from work, but I don't think dad likes waiting at tescos for me when he's taking me home! Any yeah, I've always thought I'd look totally hot in leathers, and you know when chicks take their helmet off and shake their hair and it all goes slow-mo and they look so sexy, man I wanna do that

Sir Penguin
03-10-2005, 02:52:45
You could wear the leather and helmet in a car.

SP

Tizzy
03-10-2005, 09:34:00
Originally posted by alsieboo
you know when chicks take their helmet off and shake their hair and it all goes slow-mo and they look so sexy, man I wanna do that

I used to want to do that too, until I realised that if I'd had a helmet on, there was no way on earth I'd have sexy hair when I took it off :lol:

mr.G
03-10-2005, 09:51:45
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
You could wear the leather and helmet in a car.

SP :lol:

Funko
03-10-2005, 09:56:13
:lol:

Oerdin
03-10-2005, 14:17:21
Originally posted by alsieboo
Yeah, it mainly is for getting me to and from work, but I don't think dad likes waiting at tescos for me when he's taking me home! Any yeah, I've always thought I'd look totally hot in leathers, and you know when chicks take their helmet off and shake their hair and it all goes slow-mo and they look so sexy, man I wanna do that

Just remember that said leathers must be stored some where and they tend to wrinkle your tesco uniform. There will be no jumping out of the car and getting into work at the last minute because you'll have to change out of the leathers 5-10 minutes before hand.

Drekkus
03-10-2005, 14:49:18
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
A little pain never hurt anyone.

SP :lol: :lol: :lol:
SP, how come you're so funny?

MattHiggs
03-10-2005, 15:13:10
That's a line from Lock Stock. :D

Guns for show,
Knives for a pro!

Venom
03-10-2005, 15:36:30
Maybe that Guy Richie queer took it from SP.

Sir Penguin
03-10-2005, 15:42:09
I stole that one from my friend Nutsack, he probably stole it from Guy Richie.

SP

Drekkus
03-10-2005, 15:49:52
My nutsack is one of my best friends as well!

Aredhran
03-10-2005, 17:02:16
Cars are for old and reasonable people like all these idiots who don't know what's cool.

Get the bike.

And a real-one, not that wussy V-Max like Laz

GAZZZZZZZZ

alsieboo
04-10-2005, 12:37:00
I'm putting in an offer for my friends bike today, might be useful to find out a little more about it though!

Lucky I don't have to wear a uniform Oerdin, but it'll be a bitch to get out of my leathers and put my knee high boots back on for work

Rodgers
04-10-2005, 12:50:05
it's just the right time of year to buy a bike too!

MoSe
04-10-2005, 13:03:33
alsie, you have youth, you have enthusiasm and dreams, go for a bike, you'll always have time to switch to a car later! (said by one who never rode anything other than a Vespa 125, and that only for 3-4 yrs long... :cute: )

My only suggestion: get some good and wise advise from Aredhran on the subject!!!
Oh, wait, he's already posted. He must have spent his last swift-points remained... :P

Venom
04-10-2005, 13:13:58
MoSe strikes me as the biggest dork.

MoSe
04-10-2005, 13:17:34
jesjes I probably am

mr.G
04-10-2005, 13:32:44
jesjes

Funko
04-10-2005, 13:34:05
You can't have sex in a motorbike.

mr.G
04-10-2005, 13:36:33
drosophilas can -FACT!!!

Drekkus
04-10-2005, 13:39:06
drosowho?

mr.G
04-10-2005, 13:40:13
dr drosowho?

Immortal Wombat
04-10-2005, 13:43:45
drosophiles?

mr.G
04-10-2005, 13:46:49
jesjes drosophiles = drosophilas

MoSe
04-10-2005, 15:39:22
you can't have it in but you can have it on

didn't Brando do it?

Lazarus and the Gimp
04-10-2005, 17:33:49
Originally posted by Aredhran

Get the bike.

And a real-one, not that wussy V-Max like Laz



Wussy? So do you go for a bum-in-the-air racer, or a big gay Harley?

mr.G
04-10-2005, 18:51:44
Originally posted by MoSe
you can't have it in but you can have it on

didn't Brando do it? no he did the butt of Maria Schneider and called that method acting, in holland we call that rape

King_Ghidra
05-10-2005, 09:17:44
:lol:

Funko
05-10-2005, 09:19:14
:lol:

Drekkus
05-10-2005, 10:57:40
:lol: film forum!

AND WHAT IS drosophiles?

Greg W
05-10-2005, 11:13:20
Alsie, about the best advice that I can think of is that I personally think that anybody should get to know the roads before they buy a bike. Drive in a car for a year or two. Learn how traffic flows, how much gap to leave to the idiots who constantly stop, turn or do anything else for no reason at all in front of you (obviously I am not referring to stopping for a reason here).

And then, when you're 19 or 20, and have a fair idea of how traffic works, then go a bike if you want one.

One big reason for that is that most road users don't pay enough attention to other cars, let alone bikes. On a bike, you unfairly have to take on a lot of the responsibility for reading traffic and ignoring idiots that should be done by other road users. And unless you have a bit of an idea about traffic in the first place, that's an awful lot to learn on your first vehicle.

Yeah, yeah, more practical advice I know. :cute:

Funko
05-10-2005, 11:19:29
Anyone remember Nell who used to post here/at ACOL?

She once posted something which has stuck with me, "you see a lot of people in wheelchairs at motorbike shows"

Nills Lagerbaak
05-10-2005, 11:27:01
If you were looking to upgrade to a motorcycle, where better to go?

MattHiggs
05-10-2005, 11:27:21
Someone should tell them they can't ride a motorbike.

Funko
05-10-2005, 11:38:06
You Disabledist!

MattHiggs
05-10-2005, 11:45:32
How can I be, when I'm a 'tard?

MattHiggs
05-10-2005, 11:49:25
Actually, I'm looking into getting a bike at the moment.

I drive about 6 miles a day commuting, in the car, usually in heavy traffic. If I had a bike I could cut 15 minutes off each journey.

I'm looking at a 125CC until I can get the experience to pass my test. Aprilla do a nice model for about 900

Nills Lagerbaak
05-10-2005, 11:52:06
900?! You could buy a much more powerful bike for that sum!

fp
05-10-2005, 11:55:59
Yeah but he needs a baby pink one to match his tie collection.

Funko
05-10-2005, 11:56:27
Yeah, but he can't legally ride one more powerful until he passes his test.

If it's only 6 miles why not cycle? :)

Nills Lagerbaak
05-10-2005, 11:57:46
Wait, wait wait. You still need CBT just to get on a bike?!

And yes for 6 miles, I'd get a push bike.

fp
05-10-2005, 11:59:22
My g/f cycles 14 miles a day commuting to work and back. That's a bit nuts, though.

Funko
05-10-2005, 11:59:41
Yes, you still need a CBT just to get on a bike and they changed the licence requirements a couple of years ago. Learners permit only covers up to 125cc


http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/rdmcycle.htm

Nills Lagerbaak
05-10-2005, 12:02:07
Confusing instructions.

"You must complete compulsory basic training [CBT] before riding a moped or motorcycle (with or without sidecar) on the road."

But presumaby if you have a learners permit (is that free??) you can ride for as long as you like up to 125cc?

Funko
05-10-2005, 12:04:48
It says on that site you get a learners permit that lasts for 2 years

Nills Lagerbaak
05-10-2005, 12:08:51
It doesn't say that, it just says your CBT certificate of completion will be valid for 2 years.

MattHiggs
05-10-2005, 12:13:08
If I passed my test I'd love a ninja, in yellow/black.

Funko
05-10-2005, 12:15:43
It says that's the thing you "might be required to show the police" so I was assuming it's the same thing. Oh and 3 years not 2.

Nills Lagerbaak
05-10-2005, 12:17:00
The way I read it is
1) You have to do CBT before you can go on the road on your own, on ANY sized bike
2) Once you have a CBT certificate of completion (lasts 2 years) you can go for 2 types of full licence (depending on the power of bike)

Nills Lagerbaak
05-10-2005, 12:17:36
Originally posted by Funko
It says that's the thing you "might be required to show the police" so I was assuming it's the same thing. Oh and 3 years not 2.
2 Years from Feb 2001.

See my post above

Funko
05-10-2005, 12:18:26
1. Changes to the UK Learner Motorcycle Specification

The UK learner motorcycle specification is an engine size of up to 125cc and a power output of 11kw (14.6bhp).

You can only learn to ride on motorcycles over 125cc if:

* you are over 21 and accompanied by an approved instructor on a separate machine at all times, or
* you are riding a motorcycle with a sidecar

Funko
05-10-2005, 12:20:03
It's quite explicit that you can't ride a bike bigger than 125cc's unless you have a full category A licence.

Nills Lagerbaak
05-10-2005, 12:21:04
Ugh!

1) "You must complete compulsory basic training [CBT] before riding a moped or motorcycle (with or without sidecar) on the road."

2) Thereafter you may learn for you full licence on a bike up to 125cc and only if you are over 21 and accompanied by an approved instructor....

Nills Lagerbaak
05-10-2005, 12:22:31
Originally posted by Funko
It's quite explicit that you can't ride a bike bigger than 125cc's unless you have a full category A licence.


That is true but there are 2 types of full licence.

A1 lets you drive bikes upto 125cc the other (A) lets you drive up to 25Kw (why trhey change their units is beyond me!)

Funko
05-10-2005, 12:23:27
That's right except you meant OVER not up to 125cc in point 2.

So he couldn't drive a bike over 125cc to work unless he had an instructor with him every morning.

Nills Lagerbaak
05-10-2005, 12:25:47
Yeah, sorry, I meant over. Still it clearly says that even a bike up to 125cc will require CBT and not just a learner's permit.

So.....it Matt gets his CBT he can then ride a bike upto 125cc every day for 2 years. He then needs his full licence and might as well got for the category A licence!

Funko
05-10-2005, 12:26:38
Yes.

So, like I said, he can't ride a bike over 125cc until he passes his test.

Nills Lagerbaak
05-10-2005, 12:35:07
Well, CBT is a kind of test, but I understands it all now!

Venom
05-10-2005, 13:27:22
SIDECAR!

King_Ghidra
05-10-2005, 13:48:20
and you can't have a sidecar without a machinegun on it

MoSe
05-10-2005, 13:51:34
Originally posted by mr.G
no he did the butt of Maria Schneider and called that method acting, in holland we call that rape

1. I had never taken clear conscience so far of how in english butt-er has in its name such a clear reference to its proper destination

2. I thought to remember that The Wild One (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047677/) showed (or hinted at) a sex scene on a motorbike

King_Ghidra
05-10-2005, 13:56:32
hallcuinating mose, hallucinating

MoSe
05-10-2005, 14:03:33
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
and you can't have a sidecar without a machinegun on it
only if you're droppin from a biplane

Immortal Wombat
05-10-2005, 14:09:10
Originally posted by Drekkus
AND WHAT IS drosophiles?
Drosophila are fruit flies. Drosophiles are the hypothetical lovers of fruit flies.

Venom
05-10-2005, 14:11:31
At least a machine. Prefereably one of those mini-gatling guns.

King_Ghidra
05-10-2005, 14:13:50
Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Drosophila are fruit flies. Drosophiles are the hypothetical lovers of fruit flies.

why only hypothetical?

Drekkus
05-10-2005, 14:23:24
I guess I'm a drosotropist

Immortal Wombat
05-10-2005, 14:23:24
Name one.

King_Ghidra
05-10-2005, 14:34:26
well i can't name any faecophiliacs or francophiles either but i don't refer to them as hypothetical faceophiliacs or hypothetical francophiles

MoSe
05-10-2005, 16:28:25
I guess you meant coprophiles (http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?query=coprophile&action=Search+OMD)

MoSe
05-10-2005, 16:31:35
Originally posted by Drekkus
I guess I'm a drosotropist

You orient yourself towards dew?

Aredhran
05-10-2005, 16:42:46
Greg's advice is very sensible actually. It takes a lot of getting used to anticipating other peoples driving, and even more when you've got only 2 wheels.

Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
A1 lets you drive bikes upto 125cc the other (A) lets you drive up to 25Kw (why trhey change their units is beyond me!)

I believe that's one of these Euro-compatibility things. They did the same in Switzerland 2-3 years ago. Very annoying and confusing.

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Wussy? So do you go for a bum-in-the-air racer, or a big gay Harley?

VFR-800

link to a pic (http://cannon-bmw.co.uk/cannon/UsedBikes/HONDA%20VFR800%20VTECH%20BLUE.jpg)

Drekkus
05-10-2005, 16:53:45
red, forgotten how to link pics directly in your post?

DevilsH@lo
05-10-2005, 19:05:35
Is that still the only bike with a rear brake that works in unison with the SHIT!!!!!!!!! lever???

They still running with the single sided swinging arm as well, can't be arsed looking at the picture, been on a 750 ages ago, very very nice tourer.

Originally posted by Aredhran
Greg's advice is very sensible actually. It takes a lot of getting used to anticipating other peoples driving, and even more when you've got only 2 wheels.



I believe that's one of these Euro-compatibility things. They did the same in Switzerland 2-3 years ago. Very annoying and confusing.



VFR-800

link to a pic (http://cannon-bmw.co.uk/cannon/UsedBikes/HONDA%20VFR800%20VTECH%20BLUE.jpg)

MattHiggs
05-10-2005, 19:07:54
The daddy:

http://www.koups.com/sales/kawasaki/images/2001%20models/zx600-J2_yellow.jpg

The Norks
05-10-2005, 19:17:06
I think Allie should get a Vespa. Or a Sinclair C5.

alsieboo
05-10-2005, 23:51:16
omg lush, I so want a sinclair

Oerdin
06-10-2005, 00:07:52
http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/cars_search.asp?nU=0&make=&model=&min_pr=1000&max_pr=&postcode=RG42%201PB&miles=40&max_records=50&modelexact=1&photo=1

There are a number of old cars that can be bought in Reading for around a thousand pounds.

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
06-10-2005, 01:36:37
A bit of perspective. Here in CA, it's legal for bikes to drive down between the lanes if there's room for them to do so.

When I was travelling to the hospital this morning in my Ford E-350 12 seater passenger van (a large behemoth) some dickhead in a pickup doing 5mph slower thsn me cut me off moving from lane 2 to lane 3 on a 5 lane freeway. This forced me to move to lane 4 from lane 3 so as to avoid a collision.

Literally 2 seconds later a bike travelling 15mph faster than me zipped by along the lane3/lane4 line.

A few seconds difference and he'd have been a nice new red paintjob on my van.


I'm not against getting a bike: I've considered one myself for the fuel economy if nothing else, but seeing as I have a 40 minute commute along the freeway every morning to work (and back in the evening) inclement weather doesn't make that look like fun. ALso, there are so many morons on the road that you really have to know what to expect and the poor driving ability of other people on the road. So I agree with Greg's advice: drive a car for a few years (I'd say at least 4, because even 2 isn't really enough) and then reassess your bike desire. It might scare you out of it for good, or by then you would be experienced enough to believe you can handle it (and then still get creamed by some guy in a giant van being cut off by a moron).

MattHiggs
06-10-2005, 09:03:11
1000 -

http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/media?id=224977052

:drool:

MoSe
06-10-2005, 09:26:03
hmmm...

I'm not updated about new regulations, but by us you can't (couldn't?) get a car licence before 18, while you can drive a <=50cc moped at 14 and a bike up to 350cc at 16...
For sure they've introduced compulsory bike-licenses for under-18s too since when I got my car-license (25yrs ago, you saw my license pic taken at Hamburg meeting!), what I want to say is that here you're forced (if you really want to) to get your first young driving-thru-traffic experiences on a moped/smallbike, because you can't get a car till later.