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alsieboo
02-09-2005, 00:05:31
The ban on violent porn. I never knew that distribution of it was illegal in the uk anywho, but now it's an arrestable offence to own it? Not every fuckwit that gets turned on by seeing some poor woman get slapped about is going to do it themselves for shits and giggles, so why take it out on the rest of us?

Feel free to ignore this or just ridicule my low intellect :D

completely forgot to include the linky I went searching for (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4195332.stm)

protein
02-09-2005, 00:06:34
My girlfriend was saying how silly the ban is and that rape is a common fantasy of women.

alsieboo
02-09-2005, 00:58:05
It is, and that doesn't mean we want to go and wander around at night waiting for some bloke to jump us

protein
02-09-2005, 01:22:28
I guess there has to be a line drawn somewhere. I wouldn't know where though.

alsieboo
02-09-2005, 01:35:34
I want to make my own violent porn now and sell it

KH of the North
02-09-2005, 07:22:10
Originally posted by protein
My girlfriend was saying how silly the ban is and that rape is a common fantasy of women.

I've had at least a half dozen women tell me that they get off acting out "rape" scenes...

JM^3
02-09-2005, 08:26:06
I have a freind, whose girlfreind wanted him to do that.........

he felt uncomfortable

Jon Miller
(I think that she was sort of les though, definitely confused)

Gary
02-09-2005, 08:39:39
I guess there was no thread here before because there's been so much authoritarian nanny state type stuff coming out from the government that it's no surprise any more.

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 09:18:37
Please explain this to me ladies.... Basically are you saying your rape fantasies involve all the "nice" bits of rape like dominance, excitement, danger and having sex with a stranger. But you wouldn't actually want to be raped because of all the "negative" aspects like the other guy getting off on it???

Pray tell.

Funko
02-09-2005, 09:23:31
I hadn't seen the news.

From what I understand the stuff they are talking about is some extremely nasty stuff. Not just acting/consensual stuff but footage of physical and sexual abuse and torture of women (and probably men too).

Women might have rape fantasies but they don't actually want to be raped or watch films of women really getting raped and beaten.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to watch that.

Funko
02-09-2005, 09:29:29
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Please explain this to me ladies.... Basically are you saying your rape fantasies involve all the "nice" bits of rape like dominance, excitement, danger and having sex with a stranger. But you wouldn't actually want to be raped because of all the "negative" aspects like the other guy getting off on it???

Pray tell.

Hmm.. I don't think the problem with rape is that the victim thinks the guy has got off on it.

It's a control thing, if you are enacting a fantasy you still have control of the situation and you chose to be in it. You pointed out some of the reasons why people might fantasise about it and if they want to act it out they could do so whilst still being safe.

Fantasies are fantasies, whether it's sexual or something like playing a violent computer game. It's fun/exciting to play Half Life or something but you wouldn't really want to be fighting for your life every minute of the day.

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 09:37:08
yeah, I knew the answer really, guess one has to relate it to a manly thing like playing half-life / paintball to fully appreciate it.

Thanks for the lady's perspective Funko :p

How do the "censors" know what is acted and what is consentual, I mean with a dodgy mpeg from somewhere you could make acted rape look pretty realistic

Funko
02-09-2005, 09:45:01
:lol:

As I was writing it I thought - this is going to sound like such a flippant analogy.

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 09:46:04
Ok, I'm a bit busy so I can't think this through in depth, but

with things like half-life, etc. etc. half the thrill / fantasy is that it is a horrible situation but there is the opportunity albeit tiny to be a hero or something like that (or for some the thrill of dying fighting or something like that)

I can't understand the parallel in a rape scenario - the only fantasy is the actual act of rape, none of the "made up stuff" that goes along with it??

Funko
02-09-2005, 09:49:45
There is no parallel to that side of it.

It's not like "oh and if the guy calls her a bitch that's like when you find the shotgun for the first time..."

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 09:57:09
Thanks but I think I need a woman to explain it!

Funko
02-09-2005, 09:59:30
You just want to get off on women telling you their sexual fantasies. :cute:

King_Ghidra
02-09-2005, 09:59:43
nikhil as you said earlier, the dominance control thrill stranger stuff is the sexually exciting angle

but in fantasy rape there's none of the physical pain and violence or the shock and fear that would occur in a real rape

in the fantasy we are talking about a woman who is safe at home (or wherever) and feeling horny, not some frightened girl walking home alone through a park at night (or whatever)

Tizzy
02-09-2005, 09:59:47
I've started typing a reply about 5 times, but I'm not very good at explaining things!
Give me some time to think about it.

Kitsuki
02-09-2005, 10:00:13
As far as I understand the legislation, they arent going to ban S&M and that kind of kinky stuff being done consensually. They mean the really sick stuff on the internet being done to people who are patently sex slaves, and also things like bestiality and necrophilia which can apparently still be seen on the net; and hasn't been cracked down on like paedophilia has.

I think they will have great difficultly determining the boundaries on these kind of things. Would be an amusing parliamentary session to sit in on......

Funko
02-09-2005, 10:01:42
Especially if it involved the Lords...

"That's no worse than what happened at Eton and it didn't do me any harm."

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 10:09:34
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
nikhil as you said earlier, the dominance control thrill stranger stuff is the sexually exciting angle

but in fantasy rape there's none of the physical pain and violence or the shock and fear that would occur in a real rape

in the fantasy we are talking about a woman who is safe at home (or wherever) and feeling horny, not some frightened girl walking home alone through a park at night (or whatever)


Sure, I agree. Then why not fantasise about having consentual sex with the Terminator? The real thrill must involve not having control.....?

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 10:10:15
Originally posted by Funko
Especially if it involved the Lords...

"That's no worse than what happened at Eton and it didn't do me any harm."

:lol: :lol: :lol: god help the children if they install webcams at Eton!

Funko
02-09-2005, 10:11:28
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Sure, I agree. Then why not fantasise about having consentual sex with the Terminator?

:lol:

Cum with me if you want to live

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 10:11:50
(On a slight aside I just got a mail from a company called Microdot

Stock of 400pcs used pulls, major brands, tested working with 30 days warranty.
Price is $9 each.

Am I too old to find this funny?!

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 10:13:42
Originally posted by Funko
:lol:

Cum with me if you want to live

T: "Sarah Connor? I need your clothes."

SC: "But Termie baby, will I ever see you again?"


T: "I'll be back."

SC: "Yeah right, they always say that"

Tizzy
02-09-2005, 10:14:01
:lol:

Kitsuki
02-09-2005, 10:15:19
Originally posted by Funko
Especially if it involved the Lords...

"That's no worse than what happened at Eton and it didn't do me any harm."

"Might I ask the Honourable Member..."

"Oooh errr"

"Go fuck a duck"

"We're making videoing or watching that illegal right now"

"Oh, right-o."

Funko
02-09-2005, 10:16:06
Fuck you, asshole.

Funko
02-09-2005, 10:17:31
John Connor: You know what you're doing?
The Terminator: I have detailed files on human anatomy.

King_Ghidra
02-09-2005, 10:19:25
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Sure, I agree. Then why not fantasise about having consentual sex with the Terminator? The real thrill must involve not having control.....?

:lol:@the fact that your first thought of someone to have non-consensual sex with was The Terminator

Funko
02-09-2005, 10:20:19
:lol:

protein
02-09-2005, 10:23:08
Does the Terminator have a metal cock inside his flesh one?

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 10:24:18
Well, he's a stranger, he's domineering, emotionally dead. The perfect man.

Point is he provides all of the classic rape fantasies, so why does the fantasy still need to be rape?

Funko
02-09-2005, 10:27:32
What about the Alien? It has a tongue inside a tongue!

mr.G
02-09-2005, 10:28:26
he smells

Tizzy
02-09-2005, 10:30:58
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Well, he's a stranger, he's domineering, emotionally dead. The perfect man.

Point is he provides all of the classic rape fantasies, so why does the fantasy still need to be rape?

It's not rape as such that's the fanstasy, it's the control thing, being totally submissive to someone else.
But within safe boundaries. No woman is going to actually want to be jumped and forced into it against her will, but in a safe environment it's different.
It's not so much about rape as submission.

It kind of goes back to what you were saying earlier about "good" aspects of it. Although there are no "good" aspects to a real rape.

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 10:32:11
True I would imagine alien would give good cunnilingus. Trouble is it's a bird...mmm the fantasy thickens.

Who would give the best blow job? The fly maybe.

Funko
02-09-2005, 10:33:35
But the fly was a man?

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 10:38:28
Yes, but the vomit might produce wierd sensations. Anyway, you stated this...wait a minute I did, damn!

Kitsuki
02-09-2005, 10:43:36
Originally posted by Funko
Fuck you, asshole.

???

Funko
02-09-2005, 10:47:51
It's a terminator quote

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 10:48:14
Originally posted by Tizzy
It's not rape as such that's the fanstasy, it's the control thing, being totally submissive to someone else.
But within safe boundaries. No woman is going to actually want to be jumped and forced into it against her will, but in a safe environment it's different.
It's not so much about rape as submission.

It kind of goes back to what you were saying earlier about "good" aspects of it. Although there are no "good" aspects to a real rape.

Yeah I think I get it. I imagine the "rapist" in these fantasies is also a good looking guy, who is really raping you, more physically charming you into sex! Probably not a psychopath, and maybe you're on holiday and were kind of looking for some action anyway :D

I think I'm gonna need a lie down.

Kitsuki
02-09-2005, 10:51:39
Originally posted by Funko
It's a terminator quote

Ah, I remember now....

For a second I couldn't figure out what I'd done wrong... :cry:

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 11:00:14
Stop Whining!

Kitsuki
02-09-2005, 11:05:14
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Stop Whining!

Ok, will just move on to aggression...

:shoot:

King_Ghidra
02-09-2005, 11:08:41
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
I think I'm gonna need a lie down.

nice, now you're going to have a wank over an imagined woman's rape fantasy :lol:

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 11:10:21
No I assure you it's perfectly consentual sex. Between a woman and the Terminator!

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 11:10:43
(after all his skin has fallen off, of course)

Kitsuki
02-09-2005, 11:31:16
This, also, is reminding me of American Pie 2...

What is up with CG...?!

Venom
02-09-2005, 13:14:28
But, but, but....no porn should be banned.

*sound of Venom passing out and hitting the floor as he passes out from shock*

Drekkus
02-09-2005, 13:24:56
They would need to describe in detail what violent porn would be, and what not.

Gary
02-09-2005, 13:34:02
And show lots of examples so we know what to avoid.

devilmunchkin
03-09-2005, 07:57:40
when i fantasize it's never about that..then again i'm told i'm not a normal female....

to each his/her own i think...if you wanna watch it that should be the person's perogative, not the governments. (just hope the persons making this stuff arn't really hurt tho)

Lazarus and the Gimp
03-09-2005, 08:47:12
This is a natural progression from the Operation Spanner cases in the early 90's, which effectively outlawed S&M.

One of those caught in the Spanner arrests was jailed for causing permanent injury to the genitals of others. In other words, he was a piercer who did genital piercing.

The Norks
03-09-2005, 19:50:42
I find it really disturbing that the Government is allowed to patrol the parameters of adult sexuality. This law is basically proposing thoughtcrime, ie the thoughts are themselves criminal or can lead to criminality. Personally I don't think porn can lead to crime in such a direct fashion although a criminal may well use porn to fuel his desires. Its a very slippery slope to allow the Government this kind of freedom.

Lazarus and the Gimp
03-09-2005, 19:56:09
It creates certain grey areas. What if I create "violent porn" from photoshopping and altering legal images? Then store them on my PC, but don't post them on the internet? Am I breaking the law or not?

The Norks
03-09-2005, 20:10:12
and where do we draw the line with even conventional porn that involves s&m or 'punishment' etc.

Cruddy
03-09-2005, 22:02:18
Aha, another control policy.

At this rate by the next election it will be impossible to do anything but remain at home with your hands in view at all times.

Actually I'm not surprised, I remember chatting to a sex shop assistant aboutt the boundaries of porn, and his attitude was "so long as they're all consenting adults, it's fine".

Seems the boundaries are coming down again. Well, as if the cops haven't got enough to do with chasing terrorists and keeping kids off crack, they've now got to police the internet.

They still haven't even QUESTIONED all the suspects in Operation Ore - the time when a credit card company gave over 1,000s of details of kiddie porn downloaders.

Seems to be a debate to be argued over at length and then tossed out of the Lord's because it's clearly nuts. Still, the MPs will be drawing their wages while nodding or shaking their heads.

The Norks
03-09-2005, 22:30:17
they've introduced a ridiculous amount of sex crime bills since they've been in.

Iskandar Reza
04-09-2005, 08:01:46
Malaysian government's cracking down on mobile phone porn... seriously what a waste of time.

fp
04-09-2005, 08:11:09
Originally posted by Cruddy
"so long as they're all consenting adults, it's fine"

I was under the impression that some (not all) of the participants in these extreme violent porn moves have not consented.

Not having seen any of that freakoid stuff, though, I couldn't comment from experience.

JM^3
04-09-2005, 08:15:17
I think that there is some stuff you can't consent to..

because if you do it means you are mental..

JM
(or coerced)

Lazarus and the Gimp
04-09-2005, 08:39:59
That was the argument used in the Spanner cases to convict genital piercers.

Shining1
04-09-2005, 09:28:25
Hopefully the definition of violent porn involves *actual* real violence against an actual real person. Not merely simulated or computer generated in origin.

It's important to remember in all of this that the reason violence, rape, etc etc are bad is because there is a real life victim involved.

Lazarus and the Gimp
04-09-2005, 10:00:37
The problem is this- faced with a picture on a hard drive (because the offence will be possession of such images) how will it be determined whether it's real or not?

I suspect the "that looks near enough. Let's book him!" principle will apply.

Gary
04-09-2005, 10:25:06
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
That was the argument used in the Spanner cases to convict genital piercers. Got 'em 'bang to rights' then. Mutilation is weird. The big question is how define what is mental.

Lazarus and the Gimp
04-09-2005, 14:58:14
If genital piercing is done for decorative reasons, it's legal. If it's done to derive or facilitate sexual pleasure, it's illegal.

Iskandar Reza
04-09-2005, 15:22:48
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
If genital piercing is done for decorative reasons, it's legal. If it's done to derive or facilitate sexual pleasure, it's illegal.

Yeah, right, I'd pierce my staff so that it looks pretty :rolleyes:

alsieboo
04-09-2005, 20:05:13
I think my 'ooh, shiny!' principle come in there

Shining1
05-09-2005, 12:33:39
:hmm: