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Gary
31-08-2005, 15:42:55
Their ability to act so ... well ...

Hundreds dead in Baghdad stampede (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4199618.stm)

all terrified of nothing as it turns out. Just blind panic. Words fail me sometimes.

Wasn't there a similar pilgrimage tragedy about a year ago ? Folk crushing other folk ?

King_Ghidra
31-08-2005, 15:47:19
i guess the terrorists win then - if even rumours of their presence can kill hundreds

I guess something like that could happen here at a mass event, but i don't know...

the only comparable large scale crush was hillsbrough, but the causes of that were a bit more complex

Gary
31-08-2005, 15:49:03
The mortars are new though. Surely it isn't being suggested that the authorities fired them ?

Resource Consumer
31-08-2005, 16:34:11
There was a big one a few eyars back during the Haj at Mecca, I think.

Lazarus and the Gimp
31-08-2005, 19:55:18
There have been a couple of big crushes at the Hajj over recent years.

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
31-08-2005, 20:52:11
There were also people selling poisoned food to the foot-traffic pilgrims that killed a further 150+, according to NPR.

MoSe
01-09-2005, 08:59:38
I like to call that natural selection

MDA
01-09-2005, 11:45:07
That's gotten even less attention than the hurricane.

Did anyone hear about the hurricane that put 80% of a major US city underwater?

Funko
01-09-2005, 11:46:10
Yeah, it's been top story on all our news channels.

I was surprised there wasn't a thread.

Gary
01-09-2005, 11:48:27
So was I, but I figured I'd already started one disaster news thread :)

Difficult to believe it could take a whole US city out, but there again I didn't appreciate it was under sea level ! A lot of casualities for a disaster so anticipated days beforehand :(.

Been to New Orleans, liked it, esp Bourbon St.. Guess it's matchwood now ?

mr.G
01-09-2005, 11:52:23
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MDA
01-09-2005, 11:55:10
I was surprised too, guess that's why I posted all snarky about it.

Bourbon street was about 5 ft above sea level, so it may be salvageable.

I heard the levees were originally built to withstand a class 3 hurricane, and that all attempts to have them upgraded to hold against stronger storms were judged "too costly". Really sad.

Most of the people that stayed behind have gone feral.

MDA
01-09-2005, 11:56:48
anyway, I hadn't heard about the Iraq Shia stampede at all - one ugly rumor kills a thousand people... damn. :(

Funko
01-09-2005, 12:05:48
You could have started the thread.

It does sound horrific. :(

Drekkus
01-09-2005, 12:09:46
Originally posted by MDA
I was surprised too, guess that's why I posted all snarky about it.

Bourbon street was about 5 ft above sea level, so it may be salvageable.

I heard the levees were originally built to withstand a class 3 hurricane, and that all attempts to have them upgraded to hold against stronger storms were judged "too costly". Really sad.

Most of the people that stayed behind have gone feral. I read today that those dikes were built with a chance of one breach every 230 years. The dikes in Holland are built with a one in 1250 year chance, and for larger cities one in 10,000 years. Apparantly the US army corps of engineers has had a budget cut of 70 mln dollars (-20%) for the New Orleans area this year.

MDA
01-09-2005, 12:14:45
after reading the rest of the article - one nasty rumor, a handful of mortar rounds, and poison food killed them - but it was mostly the panic

I could have posted the thread - maybe until now I've been overloaded by the news coverage here. Maybe everyone else felt the same way.

Gary
01-09-2005, 12:24:42
The further details were added to the article as the day went on, MDA. One of the risks of posting breaking news. Even so, most of the deaths seem to be from the panic, as you say. People in groups eh ? ...

Gary
01-09-2005, 12:28:03
Originally posted by Drekkus
I read today that those dikes were built with a chance of one breach every 230 years. There's "the rub". One has to put a price of things, and once in 230 years means literally that, you get this sort of problem that often ! And possibly more so as Global Warming takes hold. What price people's lives eh ?

Fistandantilus
01-09-2005, 12:42:03
Originally posted by Drekkus
I read today that those dikes were built with a chance of one breach every 230 years. The dikes in Holland are built with a one in 1250 year chance.

There are brilliant architects in holland.

Drekkus
01-09-2005, 13:11:00
And pretty dikes too!

King_Ghidra
01-09-2005, 13:11:57
oh jesjes :love:

Gary
01-09-2005, 14:06:37
Shots halt evacuation of dome ! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4205074.stm)

novacane
01-09-2005, 14:26:56
That is madness.

You beat me to it.

Gary
01-09-2005, 14:58:38
In an interview with ABC television, President Bush condemned the wave of looting sweeping New Orleans.

"I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this," he said.I think I'd recognise a difference between folk desperate for food and other vital supplies, and those looting jewellers and the like.

King_Ghidra
01-09-2005, 15:03:31
there was some footage of a cop stopping some looters and making them put down the food they had taken, and so they threw the food on the floor and it got washed away with all the other shit

that's just retarded, if i'm a cop i stop the guys walking down the street with plasma tv's, not loaves of bread

MDA
01-09-2005, 16:58:41
Yeah, shoot the ones coming out of Best Buy with laptops and Ipods. Just point the way out of town to people with food and bottled water.

MDA
01-09-2005, 17:13:02
of course I meant to say arrest...:nervous:

can't we shoot them just a little?

Nills Lagerbaak
01-09-2005, 17:15:44
Shouldn't this thread be more aptly named "human has beens?"

MoSe
01-09-2005, 18:08:22
magic beens?

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 11:39:46
Damn you magic beans!

By the way I don't want to start a big feud, but is anyone else amazed at how slow and disorganised the relief effort has been (compared to the speed of the offensive in Iraq).
Do you think it would have been this slow if it had happened in, say, Florida?

Gary
02-09-2005, 11:57:09
I'm immensely amazed at how long it is taking to get aid in to all. Especially in the world's only remaining superpower. And the authorities seem so blasť about it all. "Trust us, we're getting there."

I can't claim to know how difficult the job really is, but surely authorities have planned for this sort of thing. Speaking from the sidelines it seems to be failing badly.

And one can also see how fragile civilisation is when one hears reports of rapes and murders and bullying in the dome (and presumably elsewhere). A few days without anything and humans revert to a much more primitive type.

OK I'm not saying we won't eventually hear tales of heroism too, but it's a worrying thought that this is what we can become within days. Sort of strips away any self illusions eh ?

King_Ghidra
02-09-2005, 12:07:54
depends how strongly you entertain those illusions to begin with

civilization is a nice facade and all but is anyone in any doubt that our basic urges still drive our behaviour?

Nills Lagerbaak
02-09-2005, 12:16:00
Word. Still I think people tend to stay "civilised" a lot longer when they think the authorities are doing more to help.

I think the fact that a lot of people are armed, therefore requiring a hell of a lot of slodiers to maintain order, before the rescue effort even begins, surely cannot help the problem.

Gary
02-09-2005, 14:12:19
New Orleans rocked by huge blasts

The New Orleans riverfront has been hit by a series of massive blasts, and fires are raging in the area.
Details are sketchy, but the blast is believed to have involved a chemical factory. A large cloud of acrid, black smoke is drifting over New Orleans.

LoD
02-09-2005, 14:21:48
Oh shit...

Kitsuki
02-09-2005, 14:43:31
Originally posted by Gary


Friend of mine works for P&G and they reckon it might be their stuff in NO.

Gary
06-09-2005, 15:53:19
Originally posted by MDA
Bourbon street was about 5 ft above sea level, so it may be salvageable.Looks calf high.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40764000/gif/_40764102_bourbon_203getty.gif

Fans fear for jazz's birthplace (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4209328.stm)