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Drekkus
30-08-2005, 10:53:21
Well, not important, or relevant, or any good use at all. Just a question to the sporty people here.

My wife and I joined a fancy fitness club, with sauna, steamroom, swimming pool, restaurant, and of course lots of fitness and cardio training. Since it's a nice bit of money each month, I've decided to try and get some results out of it. So I've decided to work my way towards a sixpack. No, not the six beers, but the tight stomach. Just to see if i can do it.

What do I need to get this done? Do I need to bring my fatpercentage down? Do I need to adjust my diet? Do I focus on cardio fitness or working my muscles?
Advice please.

Funko
30-08-2005, 10:54:07
Why settle for a six pack when you can have an entire barrel?

mr.G
30-08-2005, 11:02:22
hehehehehehe he said wife

Tizzy
30-08-2005, 11:05:02
I was reading an article in the paper this morning about six packs - basically saying don't just focus on doing sit ups and things like that.
You need to do a full workout and not neglect other muscle groups.
Wonder if I can find a link.

mr.G
30-08-2005, 11:10:54
i've got a one-pack

zmama
30-08-2005, 11:15:43
ummmmmm a restaurant

Lazarus and the Gimp
30-08-2005, 12:03:24
Originally posted by Drekkus

Advice please.

Why are you going to a gym? You're heterosexual.

Gary
30-08-2005, 12:16:05
What do you need to do ? Pray I think.

You know how much dedication that goal requires ? Life's too short for a sculpted stomach.

MDA
30-08-2005, 12:23:21
yeah, that's extremely difficult - go for getting rid of the overhang and call it good.

If you train up, you can do THIS. (http://www.mudrun.com):)

MoSe
30-08-2005, 12:43:01
I have no idea.

Out of experience, I can say only time in my life I could show a "sixpack", although still "smooth", not "sculpted", was at 18 after 1 year of twice a week swimming course. It was not agonistic, but well above basic level (I recall once the bastard had us swim 1 hour in 40C water with 2kg weights at each ankle and wrist....).

Losing just weight won't do it of course. For instance, after the above, from 19 to 20 I had put up 5-6kg up to 72.
at 21 I attended somthing like a "theatre, mime and expression" class, physical part was like yoga, agility, equilibrium and the like. I decided to get fitter again, and with 1 month crash-diet I lost 10kg down to 62, 4 less than when I had the "sixpack" few years earlier.
Well, I managed to do one-arm pullups, acrobatic gym jumps, I could literally bend backwards, but not the barest trace of the "sixpack" as none of the training had been focused on muscle bulging and definition.

Er... neither had been when I was swimming, but the summary of all this post is indeed that apparently swimming alone in itself does wonders for your abs, if properly and intensely done

Drekkus
30-08-2005, 13:07:34
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Why are you going to a gym? You're heterosexual. Is that for gays only? :o
Well, I used to play hockey a few times a week, but after 22 years back and knee problems have taken that away from me. I've tried athletics, but it gives me the same problem with my knee eventually. Golf is great, but is more a mental than a physical challenge. So fitness is about the only thing that doesn't have me limping to the fysiotherapist every few months. And I do like to sport, keeps me fit and gives me more energy.

mr.G
30-08-2005, 13:10:47
and don't forget the wife who is doing the ambulance act................ Drekkus, doe dit doe dat doe dit doe dat doe dit.

MDA
30-08-2005, 13:10:49
no one should really *sit*in 40C water for more than ~20 minutes... he's lucky no one got hurt

at least you didn't have to swim uphill :)

MoSe
30-08-2005, 13:14:34
Originally posted by Drekkus
So fitness is about the only thing that doesn't have me limping to the fysiotherapist every few months. And I do like to sport, keeps me fit and gives me more energy.

again, to avoid skeletal and joints problems, the solution is SWIMMING. If you don't mind getting wet and bored.
Or eventually cycling, after all it's your national sport...

Drekkus
31-08-2005, 13:28:54
nav, redfred, any ideas?

Venom
31-08-2005, 13:45:49
You've got to do everything for a six pack. Change your diet, do lots of cardio, and do tons of ab exercises. Guys with six packs can do like 500 sit ups.

King_Ghidra
31-08-2005, 13:48:55
the hilarious advert for some muscle supplement in my football magazine used to say something like:

more than 10% body fat = no six pack

someone had measuring scales at work that also did body fat. mine came to about 19/20%. Some of the guys at work had close to 40% :lol:

MoSe
31-08-2005, 13:51:45
I'm afraid to check!

Drekkus
31-08-2005, 14:06:33
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
the hilarious advert for some muscle supplement in my football magazine used to say something like:

more than 10% body fat = no six pack

someone had measuring scales at work that also did body fat. mine came to about 19/20%. Some of the guys at work had close to 40% :lol: Mine was checked yesterday actually. Turned out to be 15%, which is bad apparantly. But I read somewhere that you'd need less then 12.

King_Ghidra
31-08-2005, 14:13:54
15% is bad? I'm stunned.

At work, myself and another chap were easily the lowest out of the guys and he was at 18% and mine a bit above.

Drekkus
31-08-2005, 14:14:35
Ehm, not bad, I meant.

Venom
31-08-2005, 14:17:55
I think 15% is normal. Hardcore athletes will have around 8%. Freaks of nature will have 5% or less. And those people have to heavily monitor what they eat.

King_Ghidra
31-08-2005, 14:18:06
yay! :nobeer:

Lurker the Second
31-08-2005, 14:21:43
Six packs. This thread had so much promise, but then people started posting about exercising.

Mr. Bas
31-08-2005, 14:22:50
I found a body fat estimator online which gave two estimates; one was 18.7 % what might be reasonable, and the other one gave 1.9 %. :hmm:

It's over here. (http://www.stevenscreek.com/goodies/pi.shtml)

Funko
31-08-2005, 14:27:40
19.6 or 14.3 according to that one.

According to this table:

Classification Women (% fat) Men (% fat)
Essential Fat 10-12% 2-4%
Athletes 14-20% 6-13%
Fitness 21-24% 14-17%
Acceptable 25-31% 18-25%
Obese 32% plus 25% plus

That means I'm somewhere between fitness and acceptable.

There's a Body Mass Index calculator here which pupports to tell you whether you are overweight or not.

http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm

I think they are pretty dubious because of different bodyshapes.

King_Ghidra
31-08-2005, 14:33:52
hmm i would struggle to believe any online one

according to that i have 15.9, which is a good few % lower than the weighing scales showed.

i consider myself fit, but i know i could stand to lose anywhere up to half a stone.

Drekkus
31-08-2005, 14:37:37
That online thing is useless, it's just estimates based on your height and weight. I get a lower score online.

Venom
31-08-2005, 18:51:11
Looks like I was right again! YAAAAAY!

Drekkus
31-08-2005, 22:38:39
Right about what?

self biased
01-09-2005, 05:02:28
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Why are you going to a gym? You're heterosexual.

and married. you've already got her.

Koshko
01-09-2005, 05:48:11
Originally posted by self biased
and married. you've already got her.

You beat me to the punch.

Drekkus
01-09-2005, 12:18:09
Originally posted by self biased
and married. you've already got her. :hmm:
So when you have a stable relationship you can stop looking after yourself? Like I said, I like to sport, plus we're doing it together. My wife wants lose the last few pounds from her pregnancy, so it's a bit of quality time together. The whole sixpack thing is just for me to set a goal with this, and like I said, it's an useless goal. But going there without trying to accomplish something makes even less sense.

mr.G
01-09-2005, 12:27:31
Originally posted by Drekkus
So when you have a stable relationship you can stop looking after yourself? Like I said, I like to sport, plus we're doing it together. My wife wants lose the last few pounds from her pregnancy, so it's a bit of quality time together. The whole sixpack thing is just for me to set a goal with this, and like I said, it's an useless goal. But going there without trying to accomplish something makes even less sense.
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Gary
01-09-2005, 12:30:01
Originally posted by Drekkus
:hmm:
So when you have a stable relationship you can stop looking after yourself?Not for the first 5 years. Give it about 7 I say :D

mr.G
01-09-2005, 12:30:40
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Snotty
01-09-2005, 12:34:31
I think it depends how fit you are. I had to build up my strength in my legs so I could cycle/run for a long time, and thats when the weight starts to come off quickly.

So, exercising for lots of hours every week is the way to acheive your goal, but first you have to be strong enough to exercise easily for that time.

Drekkus
01-09-2005, 12:46:30
Originally posted by mr.G
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drekkus is posting serious things
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mr.G
01-09-2005, 13:10:00
yaaaaaay i was sooooo scared i pooped my pants

Venom
01-09-2005, 13:15:08
I'll be the the first to say it. Drekkus, you're never going to get a six-pack.

Drekkus
01-09-2005, 13:47:47
Oh, yes I will. Oh, yes I will. I think. I hope.

mr.G
01-09-2005, 13:49:30
hope hope hope
een hoop stront op je kop ja

Drekkus
01-09-2005, 13:53:14
Nee gij heb een dikke pens

mr.G
01-09-2005, 13:54:03
nou en

Drekkus
01-09-2005, 13:58:43
mee oew abroller.

self biased
01-09-2005, 14:31:30
DASSIEOGIL! HARR HARR HARR

Drekkus
01-09-2005, 14:48:24
Gil y Gil

RedFred
02-09-2005, 05:34:33
My two cents...

If you want a six pack, an earlier poster pointed out quite rightly that it is a matter of reducing your fat % of body weight, rather than losing weight.

But once you've reached that low fat state you still need to do a lot of ab work to get the six pack. Think sit-ups, crunches, rowing machine, paddling machine and certain weight training work.

Endurance atheletes burn off a silly amount of energy. If you train long enough you get so sick of eating that you start losing weight without even trying. Even my training regimen - which is hardly extreme - leads to about a 30% to 40% increase in food intake by six weeks before race day, and it is difficult then NOT to lose weight.

If you have knee issues, why not get a good sports med Dr. and not a GP to look at it? Sometimes they can work wonders. Otherwise you have to stick to low impact stuff for cardio. In the gym the nordic tracker, stationary bike or even the stairmaster is easier on you than the treadmill. Swimming is great if you happen to like swimming.

There is a lot of gym bingers out there. They go hard for a few weeks, maybe a couple of months and then either get bored or burn out. If you want to avoid falling into that trap you have to set some more goals and take regular steps to achieving them. Can you enter a race of one type or another and then train for it? Join a team in a sport you like?

I happen to like running because it is a more social sport than say, cycling or swimming. But whatever the sport, the community that you meet while doing it helps pull you in to a regular activity.

I see a gym as more of a means than an end. It is necessary to get into the gym a couple times a week for a lot of sports, not just mine. But team sports or running are a lot more fun than just working out without another goal.

RedFred
13-09-2005, 05:34:40
Updates! We need weekly updates on Drekkus's progress.

JM^3
13-09-2005, 09:50:13
I need to lose weight

JM

mr.G
13-09-2005, 10:01:50
Originally posted by RedFred
Updates! We need weekly updates on Drekkus's progress. no we don't

Drekkus
13-09-2005, 10:49:47
hehehe. Ehm, I have no idea at the moment. :D From what I heard, you need to bring your fatpercentage down to below 12%. I was at 15, and have another test early octobre somewhere. I've been doing cardiotraining, situp training and some swimming. The cardiotraining is great, 6 huge plasmascreens with 6 different tv channels, and you plug in your headphone in the corsstrainer and tune into the channel of your choice. Last saturday I watched Tottenham - Liverpool live while working out. :)

mr.G
13-09-2005, 11:03:18
you yup

Drekkus
13-09-2005, 11:16:27
yup

MattHiggs
13-09-2005, 11:35:01
I have a BMI of 23.4 and I'm in pretty good physical shape. Lost the six-pack about 6 months ago when I stopped playing football three times a week. :(

MDA
13-09-2005, 12:59:43
26.1, and I'm in pretty good shape. Except I'm fat, apparently.

I need to lose 10 pounds to drop back into the normal range, but I've been running 10-12 miles a week (with a few slipups, vacations, etc.) for a year. My weight hasn't changed at all. I've just traded some fat for muscle. Hopefully.

Venom
13-09-2005, 13:08:56
26.1% body fat is a lot of fat. Unless they're doing the test wrong. A quarter of your weight is fat.

MoSe
13-09-2005, 13:10:36
OGP

maybe he meant BMI

King_Ghidra
13-09-2005, 13:10:47
these guys are talking bmi, body mass index, different thing venom

Venom
13-09-2005, 13:20:17
Thank god. I was about to say. Bunch of fat asses.

King_Ghidra
13-09-2005, 13:26:08
we need a picture thread for bodies rather than faces

mr.G
13-09-2005, 13:27:16
no pleez NO.
okay we do : NEKKID

Venom
13-09-2005, 13:28:26
Then you shall see me naked.

MoSe
13-09-2005, 13:41:32
I have one. From when I was... :quick fingers math: not yet 21.
Alas, it's not saved on this PC

King_Ghidra
13-09-2005, 13:44:24
such a shame

Venom
13-09-2005, 13:49:16
MoSe is underrated in his god damn weirdness.

mr.G
13-09-2005, 13:58:14
only by you

Venom
13-09-2005, 13:59:44
Maybe so.....maybe so.