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Oerdin
10-08-2005, 10:07:39
I hear Britain will be changing its drinking laws in order to allow the sale of liquor 24 hours a day and will be loosing up the licencing laws. Conservatives are claiming this will turn city centres into violent hotspots for drunks but places like Las Vegas have been doing this for decades with few ill effects.

Anyone hear any more on this?

Gary
10-08-2005, 10:12:24
See the bbc news site.

It'll be a bloodbath - streams of our children's blood running in our streets. Thousands passed out, outside the gin palaces. The end of times is upon us.

Funko
10-08-2005, 10:13:19
They've been talking about it for YEARS. Before the 2001 election Labour even sent text messages to younger voters on the eve of the election mentioning it as a reason to go and vote labour.

Hopefully it'll go through soon. The nay sayers made the same claims of doom when we went to all day opening on weekdays (1988). There was no drunken armageddon.

The way I see it the ridiculously early closing opening hours at the moment just encourages the binge drinking problem.

When abroad, and knowing the bars are open late, there's no need to rush.

Won't solve the drink problems, won't make it worse. Will ease the current problem of every drunk person being thrown out onto the streets at 11pm together and will, hopefully, allow a slow change to drinking attitudes.

Funko
10-08-2005, 10:14:09
Ah, 24th November. :beer:

Gary
10-08-2005, 10:17:36
I predict a blip of problems as the idiots want to try out their newly aquired freedom to be piss heads 24 hours.

Thing is, those with jobs have to be back in work next day so they can't outside Friday night to Sunday evening. Those without jobs and on the dole will run out of dole money, so their options are limited. That just leaves those independently wealthy, and they own their own pub anyway :)

Kitsuki
10-08-2005, 10:18:02
I have no problem with 24 hour drinking in bars in the middle of towns, but I don't think pubs in formerly quiet residential areas should be allowed to do it.

The Conservative line on this is let the local councils decide whats approapriate for them, in consultation with the police and without dictats from central government. Sensible IMO.

Funko
10-08-2005, 10:21:07
Well pubs will have to apply for extended licences from the Council under Labour plans so on a practical level how is that actually a different policy?

protein
10-08-2005, 10:28:16
There will be a bit of a problem. You'll still get a migration of drunks from bar to bar as they kick out. Besides, this generation has been programmed to drink as much as possible in a given time. Now they will be drinking until they run out of money.

Oerdin
10-08-2005, 10:33:32
Sounds like an excellent time to be in the liquor business.

Funko
10-08-2005, 10:33:54
I don't think it'll be any worse than it currently is.

Gramercy Riffs
10-08-2005, 10:33:57
If it all goes wrong, we'll just blame it on immigration and terrorists. Yes.

*End Is Forever*
10-08-2005, 10:43:27
I'm not sure I'd like to be working in a 24-hour supermarket at 3am on a Saturday morning.

Funko
10-08-2005, 10:48:20
We've got a 24 hour garage/supermarket nearby, the Murco in the Murco Village we all live in and you always bump into people you know there at 2:30am after clubs shut or whatever, it's fine.

Kitsuki
10-08-2005, 10:51:57
Originally posted by Funko
Well pubs will have to apply for extended licences from the Council under Labour plans so on a practical level how is that actually a different policy?

Trust me, having sat in on a lot council meetings Labour give very few "free choices" to councils; all of their requests for "reviews" are always given such parameters that only one outcome (their desired one) is possible within the brief.

See Delimitation of Taxis as a good case in point.

Debaser
10-08-2005, 10:52:11
I agree with Gary and Protein, after the first 6 months it'll be fine, but problems will certainly arise initially because in this country people are programmed to drink to a deadline, so they'll be cunted by 11, then (some) will carry on drinking probably indefinitely (and at the same fast pace) until they die/get thrown out/run out of money. Most big pubs have cash machines in these days though, so one of those things shouldn't be much of a problem.

*End Is Forever*
10-08-2005, 10:57:49
Originally posted by Funko
Well pubs will have to apply for extended licences from the Council under Labour plans so on a practical level how is that actually a different policy?

The Government are very good at appearing to give Councils a "choice" whilst making sure the only sensible outcome is the one they want.

Their other party piece is fobbing off lots of extra responsibilities onto Councils as "devolution" without devolving the money to pay for it. This is why Council Tax bills have gone through the roof.

Funko
10-08-2005, 12:24:37
There is already a levy on the alcoholic drinks industry called tax - we are paying 22bn a year.

This year, the government will spend 10bn on all policing. From the sums we give to the government they could pay for two entire police forces and still have change left.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4176255.stm

JM^3
10-08-2005, 13:26:02
they recently changed the liquor laws in my area to only allow liquour puchases before 12 am

:(

JM

Funko
10-08-2005, 13:29:32
Er... there needs to be another time associated with that when you can start buying again the next day...

JM^3
10-08-2005, 13:33:17
I think it is 9am

but my plan to go and discover the truth was derailed by my drinking buddy wanting to pass out

JM

Mr. Bas
10-08-2005, 13:37:39
Bars around here are allowed to be open whenever they want, and it works fine. Most bars close around four, but there are plenty of places to go to if you want to keep going. Only very few places actually stay open 24 hours (I can only think of two). You also avoid having huge crowds of people kicked out on the streets when the bars close.

JM^3
10-08-2005, 13:39:02
the bars actually cl9ose between 12 am and 3 am

you just can't buy alcohol to take hoome after 12 am

JM

Drekkus
10-08-2005, 13:40:43
Originally posted by JM^3
I think it is 9am

but my plan to go and discover the truth was derailed by my drinking buddy wanting to pass out

JM :lol:

JM^3
10-08-2005, 13:47:50
well

it is 8:47

I could go now, I feel pretty sober

but I don't expect any of my freinds to wake up until noon at the earliest, and they probably won't want to drink

JM

Diss
11-08-2005, 05:36:32
Originally posted by Oerdin
I hear Britain will be changing its drinking laws in order to allow the sale of liquor 24 hours a day and will be loosing up the licencing laws. Conservatives are claiming this will turn city centres into violent hotspots for drunks but places like Las Vegas have been doing this for decades with few ill effects.

Anyone hear any more on this?

doesn't New Orleans also have 24 hour drinking? At least on bourbon street.

Diss
11-08-2005, 05:42:25
24 hour drinking just seems normal to me. I live in Las Vegas.

Yeah you see a lot of drunk drivers. I usually see at least 1 a night. But this is during the early hours. So you can't blame that on 24 hour drinking. And we don't have too many drunk driving deaths. Driving Las Vegas city streets has always been a gamble...

I'm thinking about going out drinking right now because I want some hot wings. It's already 9:40 PM. But sometimes I'll drink till 3 or 4 in the morning. And then order breakfast (nearly all our bars serve food 24 hours a day as well).

We don't really have quiet neighborhoods. Actually that's not true. It's just bars are not located in quiet neighborhoods. Zoning laws prohibit it. We also have rules about bars being too close to schools. Despite this we have at least 1 bar at every corner. Our city streets are pretty much evenly spaced 1 mile apart. So you have at least 1 bar every mile no matter which direction you go.

Oerdin
11-08-2005, 06:14:00
That would be the best part of living in Vegas; being able to go out at 4am to get shit faced and stuffing yourself with fillet minion at the $10 all you can eat buffet.

I'm not sure about the drinking rules in New Orleans. The last time I was there I was like 13 so I didn't see to much of the night life. ;)

Diss
11-08-2005, 22:53:45
bourbon street also has open container laws like the Las Vegas strip. That's why I liked it. I liked being able to walk down the street with a beer in my hand.

Funko
12-08-2005, 09:32:34
Interesting. They've just introduced some places in Reading where you can't openly drink a beer in the street. :eek:

JM^3
12-08-2005, 09:42:16
that sucks

although you can't drink beer in the street in college park

they don't really care if you carry it home with you..

or so I just discovered

JM

Dyl Ulenspiegel
12-08-2005, 09:52:36
Originally posted by Diss
open container laws

:lol:

Gary
12-08-2005, 10:17:42
Originally posted by Funko
Interesting. They've just introduced some places in Reading where you can't openly drink a beer in the street. :eek: If you're not causing trouble though, will it be ridgedly enforced, or just held in reserve ?

Funko
12-08-2005, 10:18:46
I don't know, I think they'd probably just move you on but people don't seem to be paying too much attention. Maximum penalty is a fine.

protein
12-08-2005, 10:40:50
That's not that new. There's been a no drinking zone in town since I worked at the Evening Post. Maybe they extended it recently?

Funko
12-08-2005, 10:41:53
I'm so old now I consider that to be quite recent. :)

protein
12-08-2005, 10:47:54
Oh, gotcha.

Like when you think a pop song is recent and realise it was ten years ago. The Spice Girls for example.

Oerdin
12-08-2005, 10:54:53
Recent or not the Spice Girls fucking sucked. England should be punished for that crap.

Funko
12-08-2005, 11:28:57
Luckily America has never exported any music that sucked.

MoSe
12-08-2005, 12:20:39
Originally posted by Oerdin
fillet minion


hhhmmmm.... a "fillet minion", lovely Idea!!

"Minion! Go get me a tender tasty fillet, and cook it! Quick!"

Oerdin
12-08-2005, 18:22:52
Originally posted by Funko
Luckily America has never exported any music that sucked.

Hell, we try to export the crap on the off chance they'll go over seas and never come back.

Japher
12-08-2005, 19:00:44
Hasselhoff!

Oerdin
13-08-2005, 20:29:47
It worked once it could work again.

Funko
15-08-2005, 09:17:31
Originally posted by Oerdin
Hell, we try to export the crap on the off chance they'll go over seas and never come back.

What do you think we did with the spice girls?

Diss
16-08-2005, 08:31:17
it didn't work with the spice girls. We spit them right back at you.

Funko
16-08-2005, 09:40:13
they sold 45 million albums and 30 million singles, so they didn't get spit back that hard...

MDA
16-08-2005, 11:44:55
Originally posted by Diss
Yeah you see a lot of drunk drivers. I usually see at least 1 a night.

That's one more than is acceptable, really.

Oerdin
16-08-2005, 11:47:49
Originally posted by Funko
they sold 45 million albums and 30 million singles, so they didn't get spit back that hard...

I'm convinced Venom bought them all. He thought they were a new type of cookie.

mr.G
16-08-2005, 11:51:39
cookie stripper

MDA
16-08-2005, 11:54:32
Gingerbread women.

The editorial...

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2001/02/19/editorial2.html

Funko
16-08-2005, 13:28:47
Originally posted by Oerdin
I'm convinced Venom bought them all. He thought they were a new type of cookie.

Nah, He's an S-Club fan

Diss
16-08-2005, 21:15:59
Originally posted by Funko
they sold 45 million albums and 30 million singles, so they didn't get spit back that hard...

yeah but after the first year, you never heard of them again.

Funko
17-08-2005, 09:03:57
Sadly they were Christmas number 1 three years in a row.

DaShi
17-08-2005, 14:30:09
You know, I can think of a single one of their songs. God has answered my prayers.

Greg W
17-08-2005, 14:44:49
There was the song about group sex with all your girlfriend's friends...

If you wanna be my lover (you got to get with my friends).

Gary
17-08-2005, 14:44:59
He will, if you tell him what you want. What you really really want.

Gary
17-08-2005, 14:53:15
Damned getting in there first. Maybe we can blend my previous post with Greg's, then two will become one !

Greg W
17-08-2005, 14:59:43
Stop!

Funko
17-08-2005, 15:27:46
Originally posted by DaShi
You know, I can think of a single one of their songs. God has answered my prayers.

Which one?

RedFred
17-08-2005, 15:41:13
Over here they went from midnight to staggered closures up to 4 AM. The idea being that drinkers will find a way to drink if they want to badly enough anyway, and you might as well contain the carnage to a couple of small areas in the city. That and the 'give the tourists what they want' philosophy.

Vandalism is up and noise complaints are up. Maybe by not as much as you'd think though.

My main problem with the later hours zones is that they are at the two of the most densely populated sections of the city.