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protein
21-07-2005, 12:34:12
The best-selling Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas game has been given an adults only ratings in the US after explicit sexual content was found in it.

The scenes were unlocked following the installation of a patch known as Hot Coffee developed by a fan of the game.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4702737.stm

Beta1
21-07-2005, 12:37:53
you only just heard about that?

Either way it was already rated adult only for the vast amounts of swearing, gratuatous violence and the strip clubs. The sex games bits that were removed from the original product are actually rather crap

Venom
21-07-2005, 13:00:59
They're going to pull it from the shelves here though. This has raised a HUGE stink.

MDA
21-07-2005, 13:44:57
Makes me curious about the game. I'm a sicko.

Venom
21-07-2005, 14:27:45
I want to buy it just to stick it to the man...as it were. Fuck this censorship.

And before you assholes say it, it's a democratic senator from california leading the charge.

Deacon
22-07-2005, 01:21:19
I don't believe the game has been outlawed. Yet. :)

Members of congress have complained for many years about media. Before video games, it was TV and movies. Both parties can score easy points for a day or two before going back to business as usual. I believe that there are people out there who are susceptible to portrayals of violence, sex, etc., but I don't believe that congress or your local friendly retail store are in the best position to help them.

To use crude terms, if a person is empty-headed, then restrictions, if successful, can only keep things out of the emptiness. Sooner or later, something else is bound to get in.

Maybe an investigation would reveal whether or not anybody at Take Two knew about the hidden sex stuff, but I'm guessing that they didn't. It's simply crazy to take a risk like that as a large publisher.

Venom
22-07-2005, 02:51:01
It's being recalled. The offending code removed, and re-shipped out. The PC police have forced the ESRB to set a dangerous standard.

Shining1
22-07-2005, 06:30:14
Given that it was done by Rockstar games specifically to get around the rating standards in the first place, they deserve everything they get.

maroule
22-07-2005, 12:51:33
I always wondered why there wasn't more sex in game, (not even talking about games dedicated purely to graphic, hard core porn). It's the only massively popular medium that's sexless. It's especially weird considering which demographics it caters to.

Debaser
22-07-2005, 13:02:05
It's been out for ages, and sales are probably starting to dwindle a bit... what better time for a fuck load of free publicity... I'd be surprised if this harmed Rockstar in any way.

Venom
22-07-2005, 13:08:10
Originally posted by Shining1
Given that it was done by Rockstar games specifically to get around the rating standards in the first place, they deserve everything they get.

Has there been proof of that?

fp
22-07-2005, 15:20:49
Originally posted by maroule
I always wondered why there wasn't more sex in game, (not even talking about games dedicated purely to graphic, hard core porn). It's the only massively popular medium that's sexless. It's especially weird considering which demographics it caters to.

I know what you mean, but I'd hardly call it "sexless". A large number of games feature women with huge tits and tiny waists not wearing many clothes. They put as much sex into games as the censors and ratings agencies will allow.

maroule
22-07-2005, 16:39:38
true, but I thought more along the lines of real porn, more than slightly kinky leisure larry type

porn is selling on any material (dvd, books, comics, internet, etc.) but not on games! I'm sure it would sell very well (on the PC at least)

Venom
22-07-2005, 21:00:08
And so it begins. The door has been opened.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/22/news_6129609.html

fp
23-07-2005, 01:30:59
Interestingly, it's in the PS2 versions also. The mini-game sounds boring, though.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/15/news_6129301.html

Venom
23-07-2005, 02:55:44
The sticking point for me thought, is that you had to use 3rd party something (hardware or software) to access it. Like I linked to above, it sets a dangerous precedent.

Deacon
23-07-2005, 03:20:00
It does require a hack to see the naughty bits, but the problem is that Rockstar included them in the game. If they weren't meant to be seen, Rockstar could just as easily have left them out. It would have saved them the trouble and embarassment. We know that third parties can turn shooter games into machinma XXX, but much has to be added that wasn't included by the developers. I wouldn't worry about the precedent of the recall until the ESRB decides that all modifiable games should get the AO rating.

Beta1
23-07-2005, 19:30:52
on the bright side it will mean we see less teenage l33t-sters being complete wankers on-line

TV4Fun
24-07-2005, 01:05:16
How do you like your hot coffee? If you're Jack Thompson, you like it scalding game publisher's laps.:lol:

TV4Fun
24-07-2005, 01:07:14
the game does indeed include a sexually graphic minigame, which plays almost exactly the same as the Hot Coffee mod. It begins inside a bedroom with Denise, wearing only a pink thong and a cutoff T-shirt bearing the Rockstar logo, performing simulated fellatio on CJ, who is fully clothed in jeans and a "wife beater"-style tank top.

After a few seconds, the minigame proceeds to semi-explicit simulated copulation. Although players can change the camera angle with the circle button, as well as cycle though three sexual positions with the square button, no genitalia are ever seen.This is what got it an Ao rating.

Lefty Scaevola
24-07-2005, 08:29:55
Originally posted by MDA
Makes me curious about the game. I'm a sicko. Spend the money on cable porn instead.

Diss
24-07-2005, 08:57:48
and from what I understand there are adult games out there. You just aren't going to find them at Walmart (for obvious reasons). You have to order them online. I know nothing about them (really), but I imagine if you look hard enough on the internet, you'll find them.

They are probably crap though. Probably nothing better than flash games. No reputable developer is going to develop a sex game. There isn't enough money in it.

fp
24-07-2005, 09:23:33
Yeah, everyone knows that there's no money in selling porn. ;)

TV4Fun
24-07-2005, 19:14:11
I saw a playboy mansion PS2 game at blockbuster the other day.

Venom
25-07-2005, 14:37:02
No sexual content in the Playboy game.

No one wants an AO rating because no store will carry it.

This is still a gray area for me. The game had to be modded to get to the content which, in most cases, is actually against the EULA. Anyway, it's not that GTA got caught, it's the precendent it sets. People are going to push this ruling as far as they can.

Nills Lagerbaak
26-07-2005, 14:57:44
Interesting society though, a sex scene causes the sensors to re-classify the game as AO, which already contains gratuitous axe-murder.

mmmm.

protein
26-07-2005, 14:59:38
Sex is really bad for you.

Gangster rap, prostitution, brutal murder, crack and gang related activities are fine though.

Nills Lagerbaak
26-07-2005, 15:02:40
Well, we all know what a fracas the displaying of Janet Jackson's breast caused. The policy of sending suspects to foreign countries to be tortured however doesn't seem to register.

Venom
26-07-2005, 15:04:36
Coming from the people that edit out headbutts from movies, your sarcasm is quite ironic.

King_Ghidra
26-07-2005, 15:07:33
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Interesting society though, a sex scene causes the sensors to re-classify the game as AO, which already contains gratuitous axe-murder.

mmmm.

don't confuse the censors with the society

censorship is generally very hypocritical and easy to mock by its nature, but virtually all world countries have some kind of censorship body

Beta1
26-07-2005, 15:07:39
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Interesting society though, a sex scene causes the sensors to re-classify the game as AO, which already contains gratuitous axe-murder.

mmmm.

theres an axe? I must have missed that I was too busy slapping cops around the head with a double ended dildo

Nills Lagerbaak
26-07-2005, 15:10:31
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
don't confuse the censors with the society

censorship is generally very hypocritical and easy to mock by its nature, but virtually all world countries have some kind of censorship body

Media is part of society.

Nills Lagerbaak
26-07-2005, 15:18:38
Originally posted by Venom
Coming from the people that edit out headbutts from movies, your sarcasm is quite ironic.

This is not an argument for or against sensorship, rather what effect banning concentual sex yet allowing brutal murder has on kids / parents and society in general.

King_Ghidra
26-07-2005, 15:19:20
if that's supposed to be an argument it's missing some key things

but to address your unspoken point, censorship is normally part of the government or legislature, and thus coming from a completely different angle to the people from the same country who buy or make the games/films/whatever

yes on some level, they are all part of society, and the people who make the 'offensive' material are as reflective of the society as the poeple who find it offensive, so your point is pointless

King_Ghidra
26-07-2005, 15:24:01
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
This is not an argument for or against sensorship, rather what effect banning concentual sex yet allowing brutal murder has on kids / parents and society in general.

what on earth are you talking about, they're not banning it, they're reclassifying it - it's the stores that won't stock it who are playing into the censors hands

Nills Lagerbaak
26-07-2005, 15:32:30
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
if that's supposed to be an argument it's missing some key things

but to address your unspoken point, censorship is normally part of the government or legislature, and thus coming from a completely different angle to the people from the same country who buy or make the games/films/whatever

yes on some level, they are all part of society, and the people who make the 'offensive' material are as reflective of the society as the poeple who find it offensive, so your point is pointless



My point is not pointless as the people making the authors of the game are depicted as the baddies and the legislators the goodies (despite both coming from the same society), which will in turn shape the moral behavious of the society and more importantly its decision makers.

Which is why I said "interesting" society, which was a direct comment how and who makes up its moral fiber

maroule
27-07-2005, 10:29:16
Originally posted by fp
Yeah, everyone knows that there's no money in selling porn. ;)

:lol:

exactly my point
there are thousands of decent and cheap developpers around russia and eastern europe : a porno publisher (Marc Dorcel in France, for example) groups them for a game of reasonable quality, publish it itself, and sells it directly over the net (no retail involved, like for most porn video) or in a sex shop. Simple, reasonnably cheap, a real chance to sell a lot.

It never happened, and I really wonder why.

Oerdin
27-07-2005, 10:43:58
Supposedly some obsurdly high percentage of all internet businesses are porn sites.

Diss
27-07-2005, 11:03:04
about sex games. I thought of one place you might find them. In those sex book stores. I've never been inside them (no really), so I'm not sure what's inside those places. My city has several. I think they sell sex toys too. Kind of an all in one type place.

maroule
27-07-2005, 11:06:47
Diss, I went into my first sex shop 20 years ago, it's not like I don't know these places. There are no PC games there.

Diss
27-07-2005, 11:09:46
there were no PC's 20 years ago. ;).

And the ones in Las Vegas say they are a bookstore too. That always confused me. How an a magazine be classified as a book? So they probably have all sorts of things in them.

Nav
27-07-2005, 13:23:16
Originally posted by Diss
there were no PC's 20 years ago. ;). Oh yes there were (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC), though the graphics wouldnt have been very titilating....

TauCeti@Japan
27-07-2005, 15:21:42
The Amiga 1000 was available in 1985 and should have been able to do decent graphics.

Diss
27-07-2005, 23:14:20
I remember playing strip poker 2 on my commodore 64. I played that game for a long time trying to get the babe naked. I did manage to do it, too. I had the proper motivation for that game.

maroule
28-07-2005, 08:36:11
lol
I remember something similar, battling for hours to see (very) badly pixelised tits

Probably the least deserved hard on of my life

Nills Lagerbaak
28-07-2005, 09:15:34
Do you remember a game called barbarian on the C64? I spent the best part of a day typing in a lengthy "poke" which was supposed to make a girl in the background, reclining by the throne get her tits out. For my efforts I was rewarded with two pixles changing colour. :(

King_Ghidra
28-07-2005, 09:30:55
we've come a long way baby

maroule
28-07-2005, 10:08:00
I remember spending a lot of money on 'Minitel Rose'
Minitel was the french attempt to create an internet, with clunky brown boxes linked to the telephone, and an horrendous GUI. There were many services that became standard over the net (meteo, banking, travel booking, chats, and of course a lot of porn). You had to pay the connection at trple telephone rates.

I spent hours on it, watching in total fascination women that had probably been programmed by the Pong team. It was utterly riveting. I pity those poor teenagers today that have seen their first double P and facial ejac at the age of 7. What's left for them to discover?

MDA
28-07-2005, 11:45:43
The missionary position?

King_Ghidra
28-07-2005, 12:02:27
yeah maybe 'normal' sex will acquire a retro cool?

'yeah i fucked my girl in the pussy last night'
'woah, kinky!'

maroule
28-07-2005, 17:08:43
- so, do you fuck your wife often in the 'other' hole?
- what? you crazy? you want her to get pregnant?



- honey, please, let me masturbate you, please, pretty please
- what, no! you are my beloved wife, and your hands feed our kids! how could I?
- but honey, please, let me masturbate you, please, pretty please
- what, no! you are my beloved wife, and your lovely mouth kisses our kids! that's disgusting!
- but honey, pleeeeease, come in my pussy, please, pretty please
- you crazy! no way! this sacred, lovely pussy gave birth to my kids! it must remain pure!
- listen honey, do whatever you want but get your dick out of my ass because it hurts like hell

fp
28-07-2005, 18:24:42
At home with Mr and Mrs Maroule....

Venom
28-07-2005, 18:46:10
:lol:

BigGameHunter
01-08-2005, 17:57:45
You people are sick...this thread needs a AO rating, stat!

TV4Fun
02-08-2005, 17:18:44
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Well, we all know what a fracas the displaying of Janet Jackson's breast caused. The policy of sending suspects to foreign countries to be tortured however doesn't seem to register. Originally posted by King_Ghidra
don't confuse the censors with the society

censorship is generally very hypocritical and easy to mock by its nature, but virtually all world countries have some kind of censorship bodyActually, I think it was mostly parents, not censors, who were outraged by the horribly evil, unnatural thing of a female brest being shown to out kids, who must never see such a thing.

Originally posted by King_Ghidra
but to address your unspoken point, censorship is normally part of the government or legislature, and thus coming from a completely different angle to the people from the same country who buy or make the games/films/whateverOriginally posted by King_Ghidra
what on earth are you talking about, they're not banning it, they're reclassifying it - it's the stores that won't stock it who are playing into the censors handsUmm, I don't think stores are part of the government.

MDA
02-08-2005, 18:25:32
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Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Well, we all know what a fracas the displaying of Janet Jackson's breast caused. The policy of sending suspects to foreign countries to be tortured however doesn't seem to register.
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Originally posted by King_Ghidra
don't confuse the censors with the society

censorship is generally very hypocritical and easy to mock by its nature, but virtually all world countries have some kind of censorship body
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Actually, I think it was mostly parents, not censors, who were outraged by the horribly evil, unnatural thing of a female brest being shown to out kids, who must never see such a thing.


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Originally posted by King_Ghidra
but to address your unspoken point, censorship is normally part of the government or legislature, and thus coming from a completely different angle to the people from the same country who buy or make the games/films/whatever
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Originally posted by King_Ghidra
what on earth are you talking about, they're not banning it, they're reclassifying it - it's the stores that won't stock it who are playing into the censors hands
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Umm, I don't think stores are part of the government.

Quoted as an example of extreme overuse of quotes.