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Funko
07-07-2005, 14:44:26
It's amazing the reaction here.

Basically it's business as usual. I'm sitting here checking out all the news etc as best I can but everyone else is just working as if nothing's happened. I don't understand.

What's it like wherever you are?

protein
07-07-2005, 14:49:34
The cat just ran in with a piece of poo attached to a long bit of cotton sticking out of her bum. She was running about with the poo bouncing off everything.

I grabbed the poo and pulled the cotton and several other poos from her little anus.

I think that says it all really.

Cat's don't care about terrorism.

protein
07-07-2005, 14:50:07
It also tells me that cats like eating long bits of cotton.

Gary
07-07-2005, 14:52:50
There was interest over lunch, but that aside it's business as usual.

A few things.

a) The British are living up to their rep for having a stiff upper lip :)
b) You can't let the terrorists affect your way of life or they win
c) We've had the IRA before, now we have al-Qaeda * shrug *
d) It's awful but like most terrorist attacks, if you keep a sense of proportion, folk die in other ways each day so one can't afford to go to pieces.

There's probably more too.

Funko
07-07-2005, 14:56:46
Yeah.

King_Ghidra
07-07-2005, 14:59:04
what Gary said

Spartak
07-07-2005, 15:00:47
ditto

Resource Consumer
07-07-2005, 15:01:11
Same here, nothing new. Seen it all before.....

Beta1
07-07-2005, 15:03:13
Originally posted by Gary
There was interest over lunch, but that aside it's business as usual.

A few things.

a) The British are living up to their rep for having a stiff upper lip :)
b) You can't let the terrorists affect your way of life or they win
c) We've had the IRA before, now we have al-Qaeda * shrug *
d) It's awful but like most terrorist attacks, if you keep a sense of proportion, folk die in other ways each day so one can't afford to go to pieces.

There's probably more too.

thats pretty much it, theres no cowering or whatever it was the al quiada message said, everyone here is mildy annoyed to fairly pissed off.

I mean come on, all this and they've managed to close the tube. The RMT manage to do that about 4 times a year.

Funko
07-07-2005, 15:04:45
:lol:

Resource Consumer
07-07-2005, 15:05:26
Only 4 times!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spartak
07-07-2005, 15:05:54
:lol:@beta1

Funko
07-07-2005, 15:07:47
Going back to that first eyewitness report that said "a lot of people are just annoyed at the delay". :)

JM^3
07-07-2005, 15:08:15
in ASL brits are immune to cower..

just thought I would say that you all seem to be made differently then I, I would be (And am, in a different country) upset and worried

Jon Miller

Funko
07-07-2005, 15:09:50
I was pretty worried when I didn't know what was going on and about people I knew... now things have settled down I'm ok.

And from the sounds of things the casualties are relatively low which is good.

Resource Consumer
07-07-2005, 15:13:12
Well, I expect this will give me the day off tomorrow after a somewhat extended walk home......

Venom
07-07-2005, 15:15:38
Exercise is good for you.

Funko
07-07-2005, 15:17:38
Tizzy's working from home tomorrow. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get to work, getting a lift home tonight

Funko
07-07-2005, 15:21:08
Can tell things have calmed down, the online radio feeds are no longer jammed.

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 15:22:20
Who got bummed?


Sounds like Proteins cat did. That is fooking disgusting.

Venom
07-07-2005, 15:22:39
You of all people need to walk home.

The Higgelhoff
07-07-2005, 15:25:22
Business as usual here.

fp
07-07-2005, 15:29:38
All of our senior staff are in a meeting this afternoon so the office has a certain air of "mum and dad being away" which makes everything seem weird. It's hard to seperate that from the other weirdness.

I work on the investment helpdesk, though, which is usually flooded with calls. Our clients must be glued to the TV today though so they're not ringing us. It's very very quiet. Like I said in the other thread, though, our brokers are rushed off their feet as everybody tries to exploit the tragedy for their own profit.

RedFred
07-07-2005, 15:40:51
Terrible. London seems to reacting much better than I would have thought. But I guess the older people still remember all the IRA craziness.

The timing is weird. Could be more about the G8 rather than the Olympics.

Funko
07-07-2005, 15:42:37
I'm only 29 and I remember the IRA stuff...

I'm sure it's all about the G8 and nothing to do with the Olympics. No-one expected us to have the Olympics.

fp
07-07-2005, 15:43:30
It's nothing to do with the Olympics. Operations like this take time to plan and until 24 hours ago everyone was convinced the olympics would be in Paris.

I don't think Al Qaeda really give a toss about the olympics to be honest. They might target the games themselves, but they won't care about crashing some party to celebrate winning the vote.

mr.G
07-07-2005, 15:44:32
Originally posted by fp
All of our senior staff are in a meeting this afternoon so the office has a certain air of "mum and dad being away" which makes everything seem weird. It's hard to seperate that from the other weirdness.

I work on the investment helpdesk, though, which is usually flooded with calls. Our clients must be glued to the TV today though so they're not ringing us. It's very very quiet. Like I said in the other thread, though, our brokers are rushed off their feet as everybody tries to exploit the tragedy for their own profit. :vom:

fp
07-07-2005, 15:45:56
I totally agree, but perhaps that's why I'm a phone-answering peon and not a millionaire stockbroker.

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 15:46:24
Originally posted by Funko
I'm only 29 and I remember the IRA stuff...




only 29??

fp
07-07-2005, 15:46:51
When you get close to 30 you must start having to think in those terms. :D

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 15:48:40
I cannot stand stock brokers / traders on the whole.

Capatalist swines!

King_Ghidra
07-07-2005, 15:51:54
let's not get melodramatic, if you earn a wage you are part of the same system they are

many people here are continuing to do their jobs as on any other day and so are those guys

Spartak
07-07-2005, 15:52:09
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
only 29?? Bah! I'm 37.

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 15:53:41
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
let's not get melodramatic, if you earn a wage you are part of the same system they are

many people here are continuing to do their jobs as on any other day and so are those guys

That was a general comment, nothing to do with their reaction in these sort of circumstances.

The Norks
07-07-2005, 16:03:56
people have to get on with their jobs, and the stiff upper lip of Britain is famed- apart from being one of the most invaded countries in the world we've had the Blitz, the IRA, now A-Q. Coping with terrorism is in our genes. Especially in Londoners genes.

Funko
07-07-2005, 16:04:34
To be fair, we haven't been invaded for 939 years.

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 16:06:35
Originally posted by The Norks
people have to get on with their jobs, and the stiff upper lip of Britain is famed- apart from being one of the most invaded countries in the world we've had the Blitz, the IRA, now A-Q. Coping with terrorism is in our genes. Especially in Londoners genes.

"Coping with terrorism is in our genes"

I hope you don't really believe that ;)

Gary
07-07-2005, 16:06:48
Excluding the Channel Islands (and the Falklands).

Resource Consumer
07-07-2005, 16:07:39
I think the stoicism induced by the daily hell of our public transport system on a good day is what leads us to react in such a manner....

Gary
07-07-2005, 16:07:50
It's true ! We're all genetically modified at birth to cope :)

Gary
07-07-2005, 16:08:34
I dislike threads that result in an xpost every post :p

The Norks
07-07-2005, 16:08:57
I know, but the history is part of our psyche. OK- realistically the Blitz is more relevant but I think we have built this culture of just carrying on with a resolved air of indifference.

Apparently during the Blitz, my great aunt Betty refused to go in the shelter, and used to sit in the cinema until the raids were over. part of me thinks thats crazy, but part of me admires her total refusal to be cowed. Most Londoners are like that, and there were similar reports of the Manchester bombing. We're nails.

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 16:12:13
Sorry but that's the classic "old biddy" reaction, people do it everywhere.

No offence to Great Aunt Betty.

The Norks
07-07-2005, 16:31:01
lol Nills- old ladies werent old in the war! She was about my age you dufus!

Funko
07-07-2005, 16:33:54
Edit: Blah

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 16:34:24
You just contradicted yourself there dufus!

The Norks
07-07-2005, 16:38:50
how?????????

Funko
07-07-2005, 16:40:21
By saying she wasn't old but was your age.

He's a cheeky young whippersnapper!

The Norks
07-07-2005, 16:45:14
she wasnt old in the war she was my age in the war- I dont see the contradiction?? I meant old ladies NOW were young in the war.

Anyway, I dont know if I could sit through a film while Jerry pelted me with bombs. She was a stubborn woman, but the cinemas would be packed during raids, so it wasnt just her.

fp
07-07-2005, 16:46:03
He means that you are old now.

Funko
07-07-2005, 16:46:04
He's saying you are old.

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 16:50:19
Easy, easy...I'm sure the old grey cellsdon't function like they did.

;)

The Norks
07-07-2005, 16:55:32
well then you're old too mike- we're the same age ;)

Funko
07-07-2005, 16:56:13
I was explaining his comments to you. He also called me old earlier in a different thread.

At least I'm not senile though. :cute:

Oerdin
07-07-2005, 16:57:50
I'm afraid we're going to have to get used to attacks like this. We can't tell who's a terrorist and who's just some poor immigrant.

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 16:59:51
Because terrorists couldn't possibly be a "native" could they.

Jesus, no wonder there are so many racist, reflex attacks.

Spartak
07-07-2005, 17:00:07
That's just because your police suck.

Gary
07-07-2005, 17:00:33
Looks suspiciously at Oerdin

Shining1
07-07-2005, 17:00:58
Well, I'm glad to hear that you're all okay, even though you're obviously pretty upset about this. :/

Funko
07-07-2005, 17:02:38
It's good that the Police spokesmen have all stressed that people should make clear that it's not a general Islam thing.

I liked the guy who was asked by a reporter "is there any reason to believe it's islamic terrorism" who then went on a big long spiel about how there was no such thing because true followers of Islam wouldn't commit such acts.

:)

Gary
07-07-2005, 17:05:58
True, only aethists are capable of such things ;)

Oh them and Devil worshippers.

The Norks
07-07-2005, 17:08:39
Originally posted by Funko
I was explaining his comments to you. He also called me old earlier in a different thread.

At least I'm not senile though. :cute:

I know, I was just pointing out the double insult. I think you should slap Nils round the face with your glove and challenge him to a duel, sir!

(how old is Nills btw?)

Funko
07-07-2005, 17:09:23
27... 28 in August I think.

Gary
07-07-2005, 17:10:53
Works better with a wet fish

The Norks
07-07-2005, 17:13:21
Originally posted by Funko
It's good that the Police spokesmen have all stressed that people should make clear that it's not a general Islam thing.

I liked the guy who was asked by a reporter "is there any reason to believe it's islamic terrorism" who then went on a big long spiel about how there was no such thing because true followers of Islam wouldn't commit such acts.

:)

Its a debatable point- there's allowance in the Koran for war in justifiable circumstances. Unfortunately that nice Mr Allah hasn't made clear whether white capitalist oppression of poor third world nations is justifiable grounds for war, so we are left to debate it with our feeble human brains.

The Norks
07-07-2005, 17:13:58
Originally posted by Funko
27... 28 in August I think.

lol so hardly a spring chicken himself then

Funko
07-07-2005, 17:14:20
Yeah, but my point is that they are stressing people shouldn't hold the Muslim population in general to blame which is a very good thing for them to be doing.

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 17:14:23
Originally posted by Gary
True, only aethists are capable of such things ;)

Oh them and Devil worshippers.

What you on about? The muhajadeen are some of the most religious people alive

Remember the Christian Crusaders? Raping pillaging??

Funko
07-07-2005, 17:15:01
Er... his wink meant he was being ironical.

Anyway the same thing applies to them. You can hardly be a Christian if you are a crusader as pretty much all Christian teaching is about love and forgiveness.

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 17:15:29
Originally posted by Funko
Yeah, but my point is that they are stressing people shouldn't hold the Muslim population in general to blame which is a very good thing for them to be doing.

Of course. Can't make things too obvious for some cuntich segments of the populous.

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 17:16:07
Originally posted by The Norks
lol so hardly a spring chicken himself then


I know. The year and a half difference made a massive difference when we were at school, and I guess I haven't gotten over that!

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 17:17:11
Originally posted by Funko
Er... his wink meant he was being ironical.

Anyway the same thing applies to them. You can hardly be a Christian if you are a crusader as pretty much all Christian teaching is about love and forgiveness.

Oh yeah, the wink!

Maybe not Christian, but a branch of it certainly.

Extreemism is still a branch of religion.

Funko
07-07-2005, 17:18:17
You shouldn't judge a religion by its extremists though.

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 17:19:07
No, definitely not. The whole point is void now anyway, cos I didn't see the wink!

The Norks
07-07-2005, 17:19:37
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
I know. The year and a half difference made a massive difference when we were at school, and I guess I haven't gotten over that!

do you still drink milk at lunch too? :D

Funko
07-07-2005, 17:19:58
getting blind in your old age?

You should learn that thing where you relax your eyes and it cures your eyesight without glasses.

Shining1
07-07-2005, 17:20:26
The religion doesn't matter tho, it's the extremism that's important.

[Edit: Yes, this is about the speed my brain is working at right now... :/]

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 17:21:01
I have been drinking a lot of chocolate frije (sp) recently, hmmm. I also play kiss chase every Friday after school.

The Norks
07-07-2005, 17:21:51
Originally posted by Funko
Er... his wink meant he was being ironical.

Anyway the same thing applies to them. You can hardly be a Christian if you are a crusader as pretty much all Christian teaching is about love and forgiveness.

again its debatable- there's many examples in the Bible of God smiting his enemies. And evangelism is also a primary goal of Christianity

All religions will have a range of beliefs within them. People interpret things differently according to geography, class, historical period, gender, sexuality etc.

Its a shame that things get twisted to suit the needs of warmongers

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 17:22:05
Originally posted by Funko
getting blind in your old age?

You should learn that thing where you relax your eyes and it cures your eyesight without glasses.

He he he I have got much better at this, I no longer wear vision aids outside of work
:clueless: :eek: :eek:

The Norks
07-07-2005, 17:22:51
Originally posted by Funko
getting blind in your old age?

You should learn that thing where you relax your eyes and it cures your eyesight without glasses.

or stop wanking :cute:

Oerdin
07-07-2005, 17:23:56
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Because terrorists couldn't possibly be a "native" could they.

Jesus, no wonder there are so many racist, reflex attacks.

Of course they can, but, let's face facts. There have been a string of attacks across the world linked to Islamic Extremism and Al Qaeda is declaring that this is there work. It's pretty clear who did this.

Venom
07-07-2005, 17:24:23
Originally posted by The Norks
Its a debatable point- there's allowance in the Koran for war in justifiable circumstances. Unfortunately that nice Mr Allah hasn't made clear whether white capitalist oppression of poor third world nations is justifiable grounds for war, so we are left to debate it with our feeble human brains.

Yeah, because that's entirely what this about.

The Norks
07-07-2005, 17:24:55
kill the brown people! send them back where they came from!

The Norks
07-07-2005, 17:26:06
Originally posted by Venom
Yeah, because that's entirely what this about.

thats how they perceive it. They believe they are fighting the oppressor.

protein
07-07-2005, 17:27:41
Originally posted by Oerdin
Of course they can, but, let's face facts. There have been a string of attacks across the world linked to Islamic Extremism and Al Qaeda is declaring that this is there work. It's pretty clear who did this.
An unheard of group has claimed responsibility. When we used to have lots of American funded IRA bombs going off in London, we had several groups claiming responsibility every time. That's why they started using codes.

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 17:29:17
Originally posted by Oerdin
Of course they can, but, let's face facts. There have been a string of attacks across the world linked to Islamic Extremism and Al Qaeda is declaring that this is there work. It's pretty clear who did this.

Yeah we all know who did this, but your reaction was "let's treat everyone who doesn't come from here, or speaks another language" with suspicion.

It may well be that the next 100 attacks are all carried out by brown extremists, but as soon as you start behaving as though this is going to happen you build predjudice.

protein
07-07-2005, 17:31:40
Maybe he was watching the Fox coverage today. Which was quite amusing. Within the first hour they were saying that muslims were killing hundreds or normal people in London.

Funko
07-07-2005, 17:32:45
The last two london bombings were the nail bombs and they were commited by a white non-Islamic guy.

Oerdin
07-07-2005, 17:33:45
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Yeah we all know who did this, but your reaction was "let's treat everyone who doesn't come from here, or speaks another language" with suspicion.

It may well be that the next 100 attacks are all carried out by brown extremists, but as soon as you start behaving as though this is going to happen you build predjudice.

EXCUSE ME? I never said such a thing and you are putting words in my mouth. All I did is point out that we're going to have to get used to periodic terrorist attacks since we can't tell who is an honest person looking for a better life and who is a die hard fanatic.

Funko
07-07-2005, 17:35:40
which implies that you are assuming it's immigrants to blame for the bombings not natives doesn't it? :confused:

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 17:36:32
No, you've missed the whole point. If you had said what you just said there'd be no problem. Replace "honest person looking for a better life and who is a die hard fanatic" with "poor immigrant" and surely you can see the blatant predjudice in that sentence?

[edit]: Yeah, you just did it again!

Funko
07-07-2005, 17:39:23
In the good old days the police used to round up anyone with an Irish accent, at least things have moved on a bit...

Chris
07-07-2005, 17:44:44
Originally posted by Funko
To be fair, we haven't been invaded for 939 years. Well, that's because the food is bad.

Oerdin
07-07-2005, 17:46:08
Blatant predujice or a statement of fact? I suppose it is a bit of both. However, when all is said and done it will be a group of young men from Islamic countries who have murdered those people. That's the hard truth.

That doesn't mean we tar every person from an Islamic country but it does mean we can't tel the good peopole from the bad people.

Chris
07-07-2005, 17:47:49
Originally posted by protein
Maybe he was watching the Fox coverage today. Which was quite amusing. Within the first hour they were saying that muslims were killing hundreds or normal people in London. Really?

That the TV in your head?

I had FOX on this morning, and they said no such thing.

MDA
07-07-2005, 18:22:47
Originally posted by Funko
Er... his wink meant he was being ironical.

Anyway the same thing applies to them. You can hardly be a Christian if you are a crusader as pretty much all Christian teaching is about love and forgiveness.


The Catholic Church makes some allowances for war, when all else fails - this was an interesting bit passed on by a cowie. My point is that its not ALL hugs and kisses with Christianity, although that's the most common thing I see.


Just War (2307-17)

All citizens and all governments are obliged to work for the avoidance of war. Despite this admonition of the Church, it sometimes becomes necessary to use force to obtain the end of justice. This is the right, and the duty, of those who have responsibilities for others, such as civil leaders and police forces. While individuals may renounce all violence those who must preserve justice may not do so, though it should be the last resort, "once all peace efforts have failed." [Cf. Vatican II, Gaudium et spes 79, 4]

As with all moral acts the use of force to obtain justice must comply with three conditions to be morally good. First, the act must be good in itself. The use of force to obtain justice is morally licit in itself. Second, it must be done with a good intention, which as noted earlier must be to correct vice, to restore justice or to restrain evil, and not to inflict evil for its own sake. Thirdly, it must be appropriate in the circumstances. An act which may otherwise be good and well motivated can be sinful by reason of imprudent judgment and execution.

In this regard Just War doctrine gives certain conditions for the legitimate exercise of force, all of which must be met:

"1. the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;

2. all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;

3. there must be serious prospects of success;

4. the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition" [CCC 2309].

The responsibility for determining whether these conditions are met belongs to "the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good." The Church's role consists in enunciating clearly the principles, in forming the consciences of men and in insisting on the moral exercise of just war.

The Church greatly respects those who have dedicated their lives to the defense of their nation. "If they carry out their duty honorably, they truly contribute to the common good of the nation and the maintenance of peace. [Cf. Gaudium et spes 79, 5]" However, she cautions combatants that not everything is licit in war. Actions which are forbidden, and which constitute morally unlawful orders that may not be followed, include:

- attacks against, and mistreatment of, non-combatants, wounded soldiers, and prisoners;

- genocide, whether of a people, nation or ethnic minorities;

- indiscriminate destruction of whole cities or vast areas with their inhabitants.

Given the modern means of warfare, especially nuclear, biological and chemical, these crimes against humanity must be especially guarded against.

In the end it is not enough to wage war to achieve justice without treating the underlying causes. "Injustice, excessive economic or social inequalities, envy, distrust, and pride raging among men and nations constantly threaten peace and cause wars. Everything done to overcome these disorders contributes to building up peace and avoiding war" [CCC 2317]. The Church has no illusions that true justice and peace can be attained before the Coming of the Lord. It is the duty of men of good will to work towards it, nonetheless. In the words of the spiritual dictum, we should work as if everything depended upon our efforts, and pray as if everything depended upon God.

Oerdin
07-07-2005, 18:39:27
BTW I haven't seen PH posting today. How are our Londoners doing?

Spartak
07-07-2005, 18:43:06
We did that in the other thread.

Spartak
07-07-2005, 18:43:38
but to answer your question, Tizzy is in the pub and PH is assumed to be OK. RC reported in earlier.

fp
07-07-2005, 18:52:57
Originally posted by Oerdin
However, when all is said and done it will be a group of young men from Islamic countries who have murdered those people.


That's a huge assumption. They might be Muslim, they might have brown skin, they might all be called Mohammed and Jamal, but they could still be born and bred British people. We have rather a lot of people like that, you know.

protein
07-07-2005, 18:57:26
Originally posted by Chris
Really?

That the TV in your head?

I had FOX on this morning, and they said no such thing.
Obviously the bits that make us laugh over here are normal to you.

Oerdin
07-07-2005, 18:57:51
I'm basing this off of CNN's report. CNN is saying that the "Secret Organization group of al Qaeda Organization in Europe" is claiming responsability. Granted someone already pointed out that lots of loony groups try to claim responsibility but attacking public transportation seems to fit Al Qaeda's modus operandi.

MOBIUS
07-07-2005, 18:59:36
As I said in the other thread, we'll just pretend it's the IRA again...

My friends in the city are just worried about how they're gonna get home tonight.

fp
07-07-2005, 19:00:35
They could be Al Qaeda operatives and still be British!

God damn it, there's no reason why this country can't produce islamic extremists of our own without all these foreign johnnies coming over and stealing the jobs from under the noses of the hardworking british islamic extremists.

Chris
07-07-2005, 19:00:57
Originally posted by protein
Obviously the bits that make us laugh over here are normal to you. Obviously you just make things up all the time, and expect to never be called on it.

fp
07-07-2005, 19:04:38
I'm not even sure where you can see FOX in this country. Shame, really. It'd like to see what all the fuss is about if I could.

I caught a bit of the sports coverage on FOX when I was in Korea. It was very peculiar to say the least. Very .... American, for want of a better word. It wasn't necessarily bad. Just weird if you're not used to it.

Lazarus and the Gimp
07-07-2005, 19:05:29
I get it via my Sky dish. It's a bit lurid.

protein
07-07-2005, 19:06:59
If you believed what Fox was saying now, wouldn't I be in my cellar with a tin hat on my head and phoning up my American pals for reasurrance?

As for the British al Qaeda thing, I think it's highly possible that it was a Brit. Al Quaeda is a movement rather than a solid organisation, group of people or country. There will be plenty of angry Brits wishing to hit back at America and the UK. After all, we dropped thousands of bombs and killed thousands of people.

protein
07-07-2005, 19:08:24
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
I get it via my Sky dish. It's a bit lurid.
Same as. It's all very big, brash and jumping to conclusions that support their "war on terror". It's mostly about the "war on terror" actually.

Chris
07-07-2005, 19:11:24
Originally posted by protein
If you believed what Fox was saying now, wouldn't I be in my cellar with a tin hat on my head and phoning up my American pals for reasurrance?Stop lying, its as distatsteful as your stupid political rant while everyone was worried in Mikey's thread, I was watching several news feeds this morning, FOX was using SKY NEWS feed, they enver once claimed 'hundreds of people' were killed, they reported what was being released by British officals while speculating on what was going on. :rolleyes:
As for the British al Qaeda thing, I think it's highly possible that it was a Brit. Al Quaeda is a movement rather than a solid organisation, group of people or country. There will be plenty of angry Brits wishing to hit back at America and the UK. After all, we dropped thousands of bombs and killed thousands of people. They were out to get you long before the Iraq war, its a shame you still don't grasp this.

MDA
07-07-2005, 19:21:54
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity." - Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad

protein
07-07-2005, 19:23:10
"You are either with us or against us" - George W Bush

Chris
07-07-2005, 19:25:08
"I made it up" - protein

protein
07-07-2005, 19:26:54
Originally posted by Chris
They were out to get you long before the Iraq war, its a shame you still don't grasp this.
And what evidence do you have for this? We've had plenty of attacks here but they've all been IRA. Not a single muslim retaliation attack since we gave them something to retaliate against.

They were certainly out to get the US. I'll agree with that.

protein
07-07-2005, 19:27:27
"I believe what Fox say" - Chris

Chris
07-07-2005, 19:28:04
"I make up what FOX says" - protein

Chris
07-07-2005, 19:29:21
Originally posted by protein
And what evidence do you have for this? We've had plenty of attacks here but they've all been IRA. Not a single muslim retaliation attack since we gave them something to retaliate against.

They were certainly out to get the US. I'll agree with that. Bin Laden own words, he declared war on you too, not just the USA, LONG before Iraq.

When will you hold him accountable, and stop trying to blame America all the time?

MDA
07-07-2005, 19:44:07
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660411.stm

This was nice, although the first half of the article brings into question their motivations for condemning the attacks. I blame the writer, I think mainstream western Muslims are just as horrified as everyone else. I would like to see them get their house in order, the fringe groups need to be ostracized.

No longer Trippin
07-07-2005, 20:22:04
Glad to see you all are okay. I hope anyone you know is okay as well.

I haven't been able to pay much attention to it (although most of my cowies have) as I've been out of the office most of the day trying to tie up the last formalities of an account.

fp
07-07-2005, 20:45:23
It's comforting to see that reality has reasserted itself and that some people's reaction to a major world event is to start behaving like an arsehole on an internet forum.

Lazarus and the Gimp
07-07-2005, 20:51:08
I've had to spend this evening talking to my eldest daughter about what a bomb is, and what happens to people when they die. Predictably enough, she took it better than I did.

Not a happy evening.

fp
07-07-2005, 20:57:02
:(

The Norks
07-07-2005, 21:06:21
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
I've had to spend this evening talking to my eldest daughter about what a bomb is, and what happens to people when they die. Predictably enough, she took it better than I did.

Not a happy evening.

can you explain it to me? I'm not sure I understand it very well

Tizzy
07-07-2005, 21:32:43
Originally posted by MOBIUS
My friends in the city are just worried about how they're gonna get home tonight.

That's why I had to leave when I did, I just couldn't leave it any later and risk Waterloo being closed. Luckily it was ok when I got there, although trains after the one I got were cancelled.

It feels bad to be relieved when so many people have died, but all the people I was worried about are ok and I'm thankful for that.

BigGameHunter
07-07-2005, 21:54:44
That's lame...those guys suck.

Funko
08-07-2005, 09:15:43
Originally posted by protein
And what evidence do you have for this? We've had plenty of attacks here but they've all been IRA. Not a single muslim retaliation attack since we gave them something to retaliate against.

They were certainly out to get the US. I'll agree with that.

The evidence is in pretty much every Bin Laden speech ever. Before 9/11, before Iraq. He's always named us as one of his prime targets.

*End Is Forever*
08-07-2005, 10:24:53
Read the article I commented on (and Mike linked to) in the other thread. This has nothing to do with Iraq.

*End Is Forever*
08-07-2005, 10:25:41
On a lighter note, that was the 728000th post on Counterglow.

Chris
08-07-2005, 13:01:44
I'm glad all you Limey CGers are ok.

Spartak
08-07-2005, 13:15:04
Even Protein?

Chris
08-07-2005, 13:16:54
Of course, he's silly and he's ignorant, but he's one of the gang.

Spartak
08-07-2005, 14:19:41
:lol:

Resource Consumer
08-07-2005, 19:25:43
As an update, Inta and I walked about 10 km home which was fucking exhausting as not a walk but stop, start, wait, dodge moron, stop, start etc.....

As a reality check, I remind myself that many people walk that a day in search of water and don't whinge.

Oerdin
08-07-2005, 19:34:14
Yeah, think of the poor sods in Darfur. Arab Jihadis kill all the men & boys, rape the women, then burn their houses. The poor survivors then have to walk for hundreds of miles with little food or water just so they can get to a UN camp where they're give a piece of cloth and some sticks to make a lean-to to sit under. :(

Venom
08-07-2005, 19:47:16
And then the UN helpers rape them.

Spartak
08-07-2005, 19:53:00
Originally posted by Resource Consumer
As an update, Inta and I walked about 10 km home which was fucking exhausting as not a walk but stop, start, wait, dodge moron, stop, start etc.....

As a reality check, I remind myself that many people walk that a day in search of water and don't whinge. Wow. I don't think I'd have the energy for that. I hope you took today off to recover.

Resource Consumer
08-07-2005, 20:08:48
We sure did :D

Well, police advised not to travel if you could work from home (which we both can albeit with some degree of whinging from respective employers). I was too knackered to make a gesture for Tony Blair and bump in once again in the pushme-pullyou handcarts we laughingly think will transport happy olympic athletes in pristine condition to their respective glories.

fuck that for a game of tin soldiers

Oerdin
08-07-2005, 20:12:56
Originally posted by Venom
And then the UN helpers rape them.

NAw, the UN workers just tell them they'll give them a few extra handfuls of grain if they become prostitutes. :bouncmsk:

fp
08-07-2005, 21:59:41
I wish I could have played tin soldiers all day like RC did.

Cruddy
08-07-2005, 22:32:48
Originally posted by The Norks
can you explain it to me? I'm not sure I understand it very well

The effects of an explosion or bomb blast is best observed at a safe distance.

Even if you survive more serious injury, you can be deafened through ruptured and bleeding eardrums, and left stark naked as the overpressure from the blast reaches you.

Closer in, the blast can rip human beings apart. Other injuries can result from sharpnel caused by the explosion. The quicker the injured are treated the greater their chance of survival.

Modern military explosives are not quite what you see on Hollywood. Being close to them when they go bang isn't nice.

What a time for my computer to nosedive!

lightblue
08-07-2005, 22:38:01
I don't think these guys used military grade explosives. The kind used in quarrying or something would be plenty strong enough, and easier to get hold of.

KrazyHorse@home
08-07-2005, 22:40:39
Originally posted by Chris
Of course, he's silly and he's ignorant,

but he's got guts, and guts is enough.

Provost Harrison
09-07-2005, 00:01:48
Originally posted by Resource Consumer
As an update, Inta and I walked about 10 km home which was fucking exhausting as not a walk but stop, start, wait, dodge moron, stop, start etc.....

As a reality check, I remind myself that many people walk that a day in search of water and don't whinge.

Actually RC I ended up passing right through the middle of Chiswick yesterday...I even kept an eye out for you in case you needed a lift ;) However you could have probably walked it quicker than I could drive it ;)

Lazarus and the Gimp
09-07-2005, 10:23:43
Originally posted by Cruddy
The effects of an explosion or bomb blast is best observed at a safe distance.

Even if you survive more serious injury, you can be deafened through ruptured and bleeding eardrums, and left stark naked as the overpressure from the blast reaches you.



I was about 400 metres away from the Baltic Exchange when the IRA blew it up. It hurt my ears even at that range.

Chris
09-07-2005, 14:22:45
Originally posted by KrazyHorse@home
but he's got guts, and guts is enough. I was wondering if anybody here would recognize that quote.

Nice work Krazy.

Lefty Scaevola
10-07-2005, 21:44:26
Originally posted by Spartak
Bah! I'm 37. RUNNER! Where is a Sandman when you need one

devilmunchkin
11-07-2005, 03:34:28
the reaction where i am: there was a bombing in london?? i didn't know that!

i feel like i'm the only one around me who knew and who read about it. it like, until it happens where you live, most ppl don't care..what a pity

Provost Harrison
11-07-2005, 10:18:03
Well you must be surrounded by fuckwits, that is all I can say...

Gary
11-07-2005, 11:08:11
Some folk have strange reactions to the bombing (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4671111.stm)

Nills Lagerbaak
11-07-2005, 11:16:19
He he, serves the ghoulish rubberneckers right!

Walrus Feeder
11-07-2005, 14:25:03
What's worrying is the reported rise in Islamic Extremism in the UK. If the Government had any sense, they would crack down hard on British-based radical Muslim Clerics like Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, because they are likely to brainwash our own easily-led young Muslims into committing acts of terrorism in this country - This ofcourse may have already happened last Thursday.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1175000/images/_1177972_omar_pa150.jpg

The Norks
11-07-2005, 14:33:31
its like a hydra headed monster though- you chop off one head and two more grow in its place

i should think stop invading other countries would be of more benefit

Funko
11-07-2005, 14:34:13
At least if they know who they are they can watch them and they aren't forced underground.