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Funko
04-07-2005, 09:36:47
Anyone else watch it?

Watched on and off most of the day. Pink Floyd were amazing (zmama - :p ) but in general it was much better than I thought it would be. Quite an amazing spectacle.

Fergus & The Brazen Car
04-07-2005, 10:05:33
I was heartily impressed by Pink Floyd- having never seen them live, and owning but two of their albums, and having despised them mightily in the mid- to late Seventies as all good art house/punks should have done.

Thankfully my liking for ambient and trip hop made me reassess and appreciate again the genius soundscapes of 'Dark Side'.


The Scissor Sisters were very good indeed, I thought, as were the Kaiser Chiefs, but I thought their sound could have benefitted from being beefed up a bit. Some in the Philadelphia crowd did seem to be grooving along happily to them, so who knows ?

Joss Stone performed well, but it would be nice to think she wasn't possessed by the demonic spirit of an African-American gospel singer who never had a decent career break, and could at least remember she comes from the West of England, not somewhere in the mid-Atlantic.

Madonna appears to have had some voice training, too...

Lazarus and the Gimp
04-07-2005, 10:20:53
The concert was much the same as Live Aid 20 years ago. Good sentiments, but crap music.

I like the way they made a big deal about the fact that Sting played exactly the same set as he did 20 years ago. Because, like, he's had just soooooooo many memorable hit singles during that time, right?

Now I just ponder which traumatised me more. The lead singer of Velvet Revolver- an emaciated cross between a polecat and a cranefly- or the pre-pubescent ladyboy frontman of Keane with his flapping bitch-tits.

Fergus & The Brazen Car
04-07-2005, 11:56:48
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
The concert was much the same as Live Aid 20 years ago. Good sentiments, but crap music.

I like the way they made a big deal about the fact that Sting played exactly the same set as he did 20 years ago. Because, like, he's had just soooooooo many memorable hit singles during that time, right?

.

I've always disliked the Police and disliked soft jazz ecowarrior Sting even more.


The Police were like dub reggae for white people, only without the interesting experiments with delay, echo and synthesizers.

Sting also has a very small penis.


Oh and Mariah Carey ? Is there a NASA probe attempting to find a gas giant far, far away, the mass and size of which might equal her ego ?

King_Ghidra
04-07-2005, 12:03:52
Originally posted by Fergus & The Brazen Car
Oh and Mariah Carey ? Is there a NASA probe attempting to find a gas giant far, far away, the mass and size of which might equal her ego ?

:lol: quality

i'm trying to decide where (if at all) to write a spiel about what a non-event this event was and the non-impact it will have on the future of africa. is it here or should i register at poly? (also i'm conscious i may have previously made a comment suporting mr geldof and live8 elsewhere on CG and i'm keen to diassociate myself from it :o)

Funko
04-07-2005, 12:09:56
Funny, I wasn't bothered about it at all and thought it would be a non-event but after watching it I thought it was an incredibly impressive spectacle.

I'm not sure about the impact, am pretty cynical about that and whether this is the best way to register peoples concern. Do the majority of people really care or did they just want to see Madonna and Pink Floyd?

Despite all that, watching it on Saturday I was incredibly impressed by the sheer scale and international scope of the thing. It's incredible what can be achieved by a core team of a few people in only a couple of months.

It might not change anything but it was certainly a huge global event. It by far exceeded my expectations.

Er...

So I agree with all that except that it was a non-event. If all you mean by that is the effectiveness rather than the actual spectacle then I agree with that too.

:lol:

:nervous:

novacane
04-07-2005, 13:05:48
I think slating it is probably a bit pointless. I too found the majority of what I saw quite tedious, but I have no justification in calling it a non-event or a failure.

Its almost like these previous comments are saying - "That wasn't good enough. I want a bigger show with more lights and more bands I like. Then I might be impressed"

While the whole campaign will not "solve" (parts of) Africa's problems, to say it will have a "non-impact" on the future of Africa is definitely premature and probably wrong.

Fergus & The Brazen Car
04-07-2005, 14:29:16
Originally posted by novacane



Its almost like these previous comments are saying - "That wasn't good enough. I want a bigger show with more lights and more bands I like. Then I might be impressed"




Not at all- I was impressed by the spirit behind the event, and the willingness, the organisation, the effort- but they could have put sculpted piles of cow shit on stage and would we haveappreciated that or been expected to say jolly good show ?


If someone was playing badly, or gave a half-arsed performance at Live 8, then let's say so. They didn't have to appear.


And how I wish Pete Doherty hadn't.

King_Ghidra
04-07-2005, 14:49:51
Originally posted by novacane
I think slating it is probably a bit pointless. I too found the majority of what I saw quite tedious, but I have no justification in calling it a non-event or a failure.

[...]

While the whole campaign will not "solve" (parts of) Africa's problems, to say it will have a "non-impact" on the future of Africa is definitely premature and probably wrong.

i stand by that comment. I believe live 8 will have a negligible impact. Let's look at the aims of the event:

Every single day, 30,000 children die, needlessly, of extreme poverty.

On July 6th, we finally have the opportunity to stop that shameful statistic.

8 world leaders, gathered in Scotland for the G8 summit, will be presented with a workable plan to double aid, drop the debt and make the trade laws fair. If these 8 men agree, then we will become the generation that made poverty history.

But they'll only do it if enough people tell them to.

That's why we're staging LIVE 8. 10 concerts, 100 artists, a million spectators, 2 billion viewers, and 1 message... To get those 8 men, in that 1 room, to stop 30,000 children dying every single day of extreme poverty.

their is no link between people turning up to a pop concert and geldof's goal as explained in the last paragraph there and certainly in respect to the methods:

a workable plan to double aid, drop the debt and make the trade laws fair.

Geldof has his own view on this that is not neccessarily shared by experts on africa's problems. On the weekend i was reading an article asking various experts and interested parties what they would say to the G8 leaders. One person said they would send geldof on an elementary economics course and that dropping the debt was not neccessarily the best measure - now that is also one highly debateable position but it serves to illustrate the argument that there is no simple obvious fix

ditto, from an article in the guardian:

... the media myth that the fate of millions of Africans is passively lying in the hands of eight men arriving in Gleneagles on Wednesday, and make clear that, given half a chance, Africans can shape the circumstances of their daily lives - and their often-precarious survival - far more powerfully and effectively than the G8.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g8/story/0,13365,1520793,00.html

the only tangible large scale impact you could attribute to live 8 is spreading awareness of some african problems amongst larger numbers of ordinary westerners - and that will not stop 30,000 children dying or much else either

Nills Lagerbaak
04-07-2005, 15:01:42
someone said that if it wasn't for live 8 they wouldn't even be talking about Africa.

Dunno if this is true, but however they ultimately approach it, and even if live 8 only dumped it up on the agenda, it has already had a tangible effect (unless of course they decide to do diddly squat....) but now that climate change is off the menu, I guess they need summat to talk about

:rolleyes:

Funko
04-07-2005, 15:14:15
Not sure, Blair and Brown have been pushing the trade and debt reform for a while.

Climate change isn't off the menu, a kyoto style treaty is.

A lot of US cities are enforcing their own emissions controls at local level which is really good. Apparently Bush favours this kind of approach.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18625023.000

Complicated!

novacane
04-07-2005, 15:25:38
I look upon eradicating poverty in the same light as world peace. Its a fruitless task which will never be truly achieved, but that doesn't mean Geldof and co. shouldn't try to push things in the right direction. I admire anyone who does anything significant to help and wish I had the motivation to join them. I'd certainly never sneer at a campaign with such good intentions.

K_G, I think you're guilty of trying to over-analyse, and pick holes in what was nothing more than a rallying cry by Geldof, in order to justify your non-contribution and subsequent sniping. Do you think Geldof is that simple that he thinks a few pop concerts will save 30,000 children a day? Of course he doesn't, but he knows that the event and everything which surrounds it gets a ball rolling which can go further towards achieving that.

The rest I agree with, apart from awareness being the only tangible result. Thats not tangible anway ;) . I might be naive, but I fail to believe that these events will not have tangible results in Africa.

Nills Lagerbaak
04-07-2005, 15:33:05
Originally posted by Funko
Not sure, Blair and Brown have been pushing the trade and debt reform for a while.

Climate change isn't off the menu, a kyoto style treaty is.

A lot of US cities are enforcing their own emissions controls at local level which is really good. Apparently Bush favours this kind of approach.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18625023.000

Complicated!

Blair himself said he's not going to waste time at this G8 meeting trying to reach a comprimise wit Bush.

Funko
04-07-2005, 15:37:54
Well the deal's mostly done already by staff in the run-up to the conference, the actual meeting is supposed to be a dotting the is and crossing the ts type affair.

King_Ghidra
04-07-2005, 15:55:00
Originally posted by novacane
K_G, I think you're guilty of trying to over-analyse, and pick holes in what was nothing more than a rallying cry by Geldof, in order to justify your non-contribution and subsequent sniping.

your language is innapropriate, i've made two posts on this subject, and my last one was mainly quotes to illustrate points

i'm not analysing at all, i'm trying to point out that geldof's view and approach is not necessarily the view or approach of many other parties who wish to help africa

i'm not doing this to justify anything, i'm offering an alternate view which is not wrapped in the emotional rhetoric of the 'oh come on spoilsport it's for charideee' bullshit

viz. :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1513284,00.html

The Higgelhoff
04-07-2005, 15:57:07
Here's my alternative view:

I preferred the Oasis concert and it was hilarious when everyone was booing the Live8 advert that was shown on screen!

novacane
04-07-2005, 16:14:29
[QUOTE]Originally posted by King_Ghidra
your language is innapropriate [QUOTE]

:lol: You know you can just tell me to fuck off right (?), you don't have to beat around the bush. No, my apologies, I'm finding today tough going and just fancied an argument. I disagree with you on many points over this, so you were prime candidate.

I'm just even more bored with the backlash than I was by the event (worthwhile though it was :p )

Lazarus and the Gimp
04-07-2005, 16:37:17
The Who were good. Pete Towshend's been a bit subdued ever since that kiddyporn conviction though.

Roger Daltrey, on the other hand. Now that's still a class act.

novacane
04-07-2005, 17:12:36
The Live 8 effect

According to HMV the Live 8 artists have seen their album sales increase by the following percentage:

1. Pink Floyd ‘Echoes - Best Of’ - 1343%
2. The Who ‘Then & Now’ - 863%
3. Annie Lennox ‘Eurythmics Greatest Hits’ - 500%
4. Dido ‘Life for Rent’ - 412%
5. Razorlight ‘Up all Night’ - 335%
6. Robbie Williams ‘Greatest Hits’ - 320%
7. Joss Stone ‘Mind, Body & Soul’ - 309%
8. Sting ‘Greatest Hits’ - 300%
9. Travis ‘Singles’ - 268%
10. Madonna ‘Immaculate Collection’ - 200%
11. Scissor Sisters ‘Scissor Sisters’ - 174%
12. Mariah Carey ‘Greatest Hits’ - 170%
13. Snoop Dogg ‘Rhythm & Gangsta’ - 166%
14. The Killers ‘Hot Fuss’ - 131%
15. U2 ‘Best Of: 1990 – 2000’ - 116%
16. Elton John ‘Greatest Hits 1970 – 2002’ - 111%
17. Keane ‘Hopes & Fears’ - 101%
18. The Beatles ‘Number 1s’ - 71%
19. Snow Patrol ‘Final Straw’ - 69%
20. REM ‘Reveal’ - 50%
21. Stereophonics ‘Language, Sex, Violence, Other’ - 36%
22. Coldplay ‘X&Y’ - 3%
23. The Libertines ‘Up The Bracket’ -35%

Funko
04-07-2005, 17:14:52
I noticed a few adverts for albums of the bands that played in the last few days - for albums that are pretty old now.

Lurker the Second
05-07-2005, 20:02:21
Didn't watch it, but now that I know the Beatles were there, I wish I had.

Debaser
06-07-2005, 00:16:11
You can see most of the performances online here: http://music.channel.aol.com/live_8_concert/london_philly_toronto

I hadn't seen Pink Floyd's bit until a minute ago, but they're really quite good. Dave Gilmour looks like a cross between my dad and some kind of insect. For some reason he decides to sing his guitar solo on Wish You Were Here. He doesn't do that on the record does he? And how come their sound is about a billion times better than anyone elses?

protein
06-07-2005, 00:44:31
He does that on the record too.

I was in a studio on Monday and the bass player from Marillion turned up. He was telling the engineer that he forgot to ask him if he wanted to be Floyd's guitar tech at Live 8. How amazing would that be?

Funko
06-07-2005, 09:11:39
Originally posted by Lurker the Second
Didn't watch it, but now that I know the Beatles were there, I wish I had.

only the worlds worst Beatle was there.

Funko
06-07-2005, 09:12:13
Originally posted by protein
He does that on the record too.

I was in a studio on Monday and the bass player from Marillion turned up. He was telling the engineer that he forgot to ask him if he wanted to be Floyd's guitar tech at Live 8. How amazing would that be?

John Mitchell's?

Was he gutted? :lol:

protein
06-07-2005, 11:43:33
Yeah John's. He's in a band with the marillion guy. John wasn' there though. He employs the guy from Bonfire Episode to engineer for him while he produces (does nothing). My job will be to engineer the odd session there.

Funko
06-07-2005, 11:47:15
He's in Arena with him isn't he?

That's a cool job. :)

protein
06-07-2005, 11:53:11
It's a very few and far between job but should anything terrible happen to any of them it could be more fruitful.

Apparently I've replaced Dai.

Not only did we nick his night, I've nicked his job. He's going to start hating me.

Funko
06-07-2005, 11:55:03
I thought you already hated him? :)

Funko
06-07-2005, 11:55:56
And we didn't nick his night, we took a day where he didn't have a night booked and booked a night there. Just 'cause he was thinking about it means nothing!

protein
06-07-2005, 11:56:25
A little. Now I feel a bit guilty. Oh well. He's Welsh, I'll get over it.

Nills Lagerbaak
06-07-2005, 12:29:59
That guy from the bonfire episodes is a right tool (and I'm not tlaking about Matt Tanner, who also is a tool)!

Zopperoni
07-07-2005, 00:04:04
Couldn't be bothered to pay attention for most of the day, then zapped onto the performance of the Black Eyed Peas, which justified my act of ignoring the event.

Flipped past the BBC a few hours later, at the right time to catch The Who, with Pink Floyd right after them.

Switched it off when that twat McCartney showed up again. I saw on the news the next day that they played "Hey Jude". How surprising... :hmm:


Originally posted by novacane
The Live 8 effect
[...]
23. The Libertines ‘Up The Bracket’ -35%

Poor guys :lol:

Fergus & The Brazen Car
07-07-2005, 14:52:20
Let's help make Pete Doherty history.

King_Ghidra
07-07-2005, 15:04:19
the idealized image i built up of kate moss over the years has definitely slipped a little since i realised any fat drug addled fool could get in her pussy

Funko
07-07-2005, 15:05:30
On the other hand, at least you have a chance.

Fergus & The Brazen Car
07-07-2005, 15:18:35
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
the idealized image i built up of kate moss over the years has definitely slipped a little since i realised any fat drug addled fool could get in her pussy


Ugh- anorexic heroin chic looking Sarf London bint meets drug-crazed slob with small musical talent and fish white skin.


Like Hieronymus Bosch does porn.

novacane
07-07-2005, 16:48:29
Originally posted by Funko
On the other hand, at least you have a chance. :lol:

Nills Lagerbaak
07-07-2005, 16:52:18
I have never fancied Kate Moss. I honestly can't see the appeal.

Lazarus and the Gimp
07-07-2005, 21:12:21
I find her attractive. It's the eyes.

Diss
08-07-2005, 02:02:13
I've never heard of most of the bands. Mostly crappy pop stars. Pink Floyd was the only one I was interested in.

And no metal bads. And don't go telling me that velvet revolver is metal. They are crap.

and no classical music either.

Plus I was working. So I didn't watch any of it.

King_Ghidra
08-07-2005, 09:06:18
Originally posted by Funko
On the other hand, at least you have a chance.

:bash:

i have no weight problems thank you :p

Nills Lagerbaak
08-07-2005, 09:23:48
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
I find her attractive. It's the eyes.

Yeah, nice eyes, but you don't look at the mantlepiece when stoking the fire do ya?!

Funko
08-07-2005, 09:32:51
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
:bash:

i have no weight problems thank you :p

:D

there was absolutely no way I could pass up that setup! :)

Spartak
08-07-2005, 12:11:45
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
I find her attractive. It's the eyes. Not the sneer?